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Warframe drops out of steams top 10 just after releasing an Big update.

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1 hour ago, (NSW)Kokojo said:

Well, I have Oberon and I can solo it, I just don't like the experience. I can currentlly do a 3x1 (since I don't have any Rubico Riven and i can't be bothered with SU). Might try to use Smite infusion, it seems iy really does make a difference (if my energy can keep up that is). I'm currently running a 223.

But again, just the grind to get the Quills standing and the Amps already kills it foe me, because you are doing the exact same thing, just faster, it doesn't change that much.

smight infusion is a 200ish % radiation damage mod so it does but it is not as good as a chroma buff, some fun things shooting the the eidoaln while it is imune for combo will increase your damage and still procs arcane momentum (sniper reload speed on crit drops from terry) if you are not using renewal energy plates are worth having as are ammo plates, some of the arch guns are as good or better for this but are a tad neishe (granted the rivens for them are easier to get thanks to being in the arbitration store or loot table) Quill and VOX  grind is not that bad if you only do 1-3 missions for them a play session (eg: exploter, trydolans, exploiter which will cap your standing for both up to MR 20) as for SU standing explotier then sell the gems or doing bounties works quite well there (I get that max SU to unlock vox is a pain but SU standing is easy to get unless you are low MR where the time gating hurts the most) as for rivens they are unneeded with the Rubico prime and not that useful any more because of the disp changes.  some other things you can use are the dique (the bow equivalent of the lanka) and the quellor (new rail jack gun if that is out on switch stupid high crit on alt fire but will need ammo pads)

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On 2020-01-06 at 6:39 AM, (XB1)Hyperion Rexx said:

I've never met a low mr player who doesn't care about mr.

Uhh I didn't after MR 10 but I am still MR 18 with out trying to be.  granted for the most part you are right especially for the sub MR 10 crowd 

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12 hours ago, HugintheCrow said:

I can get literally 30 guns in Destiny in time it takes for a single part to drop in Warframe.

Random rolls ARE ok... ONLY IF you give the player a truck ton of them at all times. THAT'S the difference.

What's the difference? A truck ton of crap with a few crap, I rather take some time than being instantly gratified with truck ton of crap and it's not like we don't have Sigma series for a basic gear before jumping into the random rolls

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4 hours ago, Valok said:

I have pretty much everything, aside from some rare avionics from Earth/Saturn which I feel are not worth farming/buying atm. The main unbalanced thing in RJ right now is the sheer headache that it can be to get a reactor with at least 65/70+ AV, which is gonna be around how much you will need to get a "fun" RJ going.

2% as a mission completion reward, that then will be rolled between 30-100 AV's and can't be upgraded or at the very least traded (right now I would prefer to just farm plat).. I enjoy grinding when I find the gameplay fun (and RJ is fun when its not bugging out) but even with my high tolerance for grind I found this to be too much.

Everything including Zetki Hyperstrike for up to 121% turret damage installed on your railjack? Also there's Sigma MK 3 for a fixed 50 avionics increase to use before finding one with 50+

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3 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Nope, dont think I said so. The game has a stable playerbase already. I'm not sure if you somehow think I mean something else with stable. It's stable, solid, reliable, uhm and whatever word that may be synonymous with stable. I think what I'm saying is that even with a massive drop down to much lower number the game would still have a stable playerbase.

I still dont see it as unusual, since WF is a f2p title where the player retention behavior is common to act the way it now does for WF. The thing is just that WF started slow and popularity increased, while several other games hit their top player numbers early on and then experience the peaks and dips for the rest of their life. I'm not sure if it should be seen as a positive or a negative thing that WF was a slow starter. Likely positive since it shows the game has improved over the years.

A game that has been hyping the #*!% out of its updates should have an increase in playerbase when the update hits. If warframe's playerbase is STILL declining then what the hell are we doing at this point?

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25 minutes ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

A game that has been hyping the #*!% out of its updates should have an increase in playerbase when the update hits. If warframe's playerbase is STILL declining then what the hell are we doing at this point?

play anthem

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4 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

I unistalled Warframe on Steam.

And installed ths standalone version. An increase in performace was noted

Same!

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1 hour ago, 844448 said:

What's the difference? A truck ton of crap with a few crap, I rather take some time than being instantly gratified with truck ton of crap and it's not like we don't have Sigma series for a basic gear before jumping into the random rolls

What you're asking for is the illusive effort reward system. Good luck with that. Some games do this, but Warframe very rarely does.

Instead, with Warframe we are now offered two options, which ultimately is just a matter of preference. To illustrate what they are going for:

a) Do a 5 minute mission, have a 10% chance of a specific weapon drop upon mission success. That drop has RNG which can be, say, damage between 100-120.

b) Do a 20 minute mission, have a 1% chance of getting the same weapon as a) but when that drops, it's always 120 damage.

Some people will prefer a) while others will prefer b). What do you prefer, considering the differences in drop chance?

The obvious advantages of a) both for the player and for the game is that you might get say a drop of 110 damage. That's not going to be a perfect roll, but it's still pretty damn good considering the high drop chances and the time it takes. For the devs, it's also great, because it is much more sustainable due to the fact that often people keep replaying the same content hoping to get a god roll ( 120 damage in the case of this example ). Obviously, the difference between 110 and 120 isn't that great, but trust me that a lot of people will do this, even thou they are happy with what they already have, they will want to give it a shot once in a while and hope for a better roll.

Games that do this fairly will are for example Destiny 2 and Borderlands.

 

Where DE clearly missed the mark on the example of a), is that not only the drop chance is too low, but also the min-max window is way too wide.

 

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6 hours ago, (XB1)AMONGTHEWEAK said:

I wanna see statistics of the amount of players that have more than 50 Hours of game time. We don't have access to that, but I think it would be interesting to see what the total playtime of the entire players base is vs the actual registered users and the actual consistent players of WF. The report by Leou almost seems like they're trying to justify for the investors of the holding company that there is this massive following because there are like 50+m registered people who have at one point logged in to WF. 

my guess on accounts with more then 50 hours playtime (in mission) would be less then 8-10% at best. and I really want to guess 4-5. Maybe this is why Reb said "Registered losers", not users. 🧐

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2 hours ago, 844448 said:

What's the difference? A truck ton of crap with a few crap, I rather take some time than being instantly gratified with truck ton of crap and it's not like we don't have Sigma series for a basic gear before jumping into the random rolls

are you seriously asking whats the difference between 1 and 30? 

 

If so the answer is 29. 

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On 2020-01-06 at 8:39 AM, (XB1)Hyperion Rexx said:

I've never met a low mr player who doesn't care about mr.

Because until you reach mr 19 stuff is locked away. Mr rank after 19 is just for ego. It doesn't do anything

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I do not consider warframe to be dying. We will get more stuff and polish as time goes on.  Not everyone plays for challenge.

Even as an average player eith most stuff grinded i still wnjoy cracking as skulls just for fun.  Not looking for praise or an ego boost here.

I would love to see more ediolon bosses and changes to operater mechanucs that gave more dept.  As well as a better operater creator with lots of sliders for every last pixel.  Adult operaters please.

Wf is fun to just kick back and play for most.  Its not by any means dying.

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Just came back, so what did they do with Rivens/melee?  And Arcanes are not raids anymore?  And why am I not supposed to play via steam?  Inquiring minds came here to find out why my Ember got screw3d and decided to read this. 

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6 hours ago, (PS4)Kakurine2 said:

Because until you reach mr 19 stuff is locked away. Mr rank after 19 is just for ego. It doesn't do anything

Aside from increase standing caps and starting mod capacity.

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Eidolons is one of the worst part of the game. I would rather have massive update with 15 new syandanas, rather than with 3 new locations with 3 new Eidolons bosses. Euuuu -.-

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44 minutes ago, Corvid said:

Aside from increase standing caps and starting mod capacity.

Thats not substantial enough to matter. At all.

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17 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

Are you looking for "consistent", because that's what I'd class as stable and... Warframe is not.

I recommend specsavers then. This degree of downward trend has not happened before. In a game that has been growing consistently year after year, a downward trend is by definition unusual.

It is only unusual if you ignore the model of the game. It is quite spectacular it took this long for WF to normalize. But in the end it is free to play, so what we see now or well, have seen since end of 2017 is normal.

14 hours ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

A game that has been hyping the #*!% out of its updates should have an increase in playerbase when the update hits. If warframe's playerbase is STILL declining then what the hell are we doing at this point?

When did they hype Empyrean though, or Liches for that matter? Fortuna did get massive hype through billboards and so on. With empyrean and liches though I've only really seen talk about them in devstreams aswell as during tennocon. Neither of that was really hyped. If their intend was to hype it then they would have probably gone with far more flawless gameplay showcases, which wasnt the case for neither tennocon nor the following devstreams. Heck, the Gas City rework had more hype to it than empyrean and liches.

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4 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

 

When did they hype Empyrean though, or Liches for that matter? Fortuna did get massive hype through billboards and so on. With empyrean and liches though I've only really seen talk about them in devstreams aswell as during tennocon. Neither of that was really hyped. If their intend was to hype it then they would have probably gone with far more flawless gameplay showcases, which wasnt the case for neither tennocon nor the following devstreams. Heck, the Gas City rework had more hype to it than empyrean and liches.

Huh? They advertised it through sponsoring content creators to show what empyrean is, and there was already alot of pre hype to it

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Heh, uninstalled WF back a couple of weeks.... Now a happy D2 player, grinding through the season, got 4 exotics already. 

If they do a 10EU discount for both expansions again , might just purchase , the season , nah ... or maybe occasionally. 

Compared to 100EU+ for a prime access , well no thank you... /https://www.warframe.com/prime-access/

What made the biggest impression so far is the lack of game braking bugs , not even mentioning host migrations here....

Doing defense at w18 , just to find out you are playing alone, with hordes of enemies ...

And yes , WF had dropped significantly .... The reasons have already been discussed.

Honestly , they need to incentivice old players to stay. Grind over rng is not the way forward....

Just my 2 cents...

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17 minutes ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Huh? They advertised it through sponsoring content creators to show what empyrean is, and there was already alot of pre hype to it

How is that hyping? Majority of players dont give a flying crap about content creators to begin with. Hyping would be actual PR or having the most perfect and flawless gameplay showcase.

Content creators = hype. Hah! Best joke of 2020!

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4 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

How is that hyping?

Maybe by releasing it at the awards in December ....

 

4 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Majority of players dont give a flying crap about content creators to begin with.

Not true , not true ....

How much streamers/ content creators are left on twitch ?

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10 minutes ago, fish_wet said:

Compared to 100EU+ for a prime access , well no thank you... /https://www.warframe.com/prime-access/

While I agree that it is a steep price, it is still not comparable to Dset2 expansions. You can get the prime 100% free in-game, you miss out on cosmetics. Dest2 expansions cannot be obtained in game, so you lack content by not paying. That is the dealbreaker that made me stay away from Dest2 since it claims to be f2p yet has content locked behind forces purchases.

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1 minute ago, SneakyErvin said:

it is still not comparable to Dset2 expansions

Yep when D2 was released it was 60EU retail, plus ps4 exclusive.

So back in the days i said i will not purchase as it was not wort it. Actually i was ok with WF till that point , however after Old blood and Empyrean ,

plus the fact that you do get the base D2 game plus two expansions , why not ... And if the two other ones are 20EU on discount , it`s less than even a plat package.

Not defending Bungie here, they found a path however and it works.

Conclusion , they learned from previous mistakes , or maybe not , only time will tell.

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Just now, fish_wet said:

Maybe by releasing it at the awards in December ....

 

Not true , not true ....

Hype usually means ahead of time, over a lengthy period to attract players. The same day as the release, not so much.

Very true, even though people hate to accept it. And with the way CC's have acted since before Fortuna even more people have started to despise and avoid them. I should have probably clarified better. Most people dont give a flying crap about WF CC's, since they are currently some of the worst out there. Biting the hand that feeds them and so on. So DE placing "hype" at the hands of a CC will have a high chance of missing several players. 

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We agree to disagree then 🙂

For me it was hyped a lot , with all the in game demos and whatever.

Was itching to play with friends and do all the stuff they showed.

Fact is people are not satisfied and happy. Not everyone course , however a significant chunk ....

And this is evident by the overflow of topics on the forums , not even counting people bashing on youtube or other media.

 

 

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