Content I'd love to see added and expanded upon in the Kuva Lich/Nemesis system.

[SprinKah]

I really enjoy the Kuva Lich system right now, I know it isn't for everyone but personally, I enjoy it. The different appearances and forms the liches can take, different combinations of body parts and stuff, etc... it is all very exciting to me whenever I go and get a new lich, I have around 27 liches now. But I'd really love to see a lot more content added into the Kuva Lich/Nemesis system in the future to make it more...interesting and dynamic, making the system feels even more alive.

 

1) More Lich quirks, personalities, voice lines and randomly-generated customization. I think we all really want this, it does suck a little that there's only 1 personality type for each Lich gender.

2) Make non-endless mission types into Crossfire missions (Exterminate, Mobile Defense, Capture, Spy, Sabotage, etc...). When I played the first Kuva Lich mission, I went into a game with both grineer and corpus fighting each other, it is very thrilling to me, it makes the world feels more alive. It'd be really cool if whenever the Kuva Lich sets foot on a Corpus planet/territory, it'll automatically turn into a Crossfire mission, with 2 factions fighting each other, if it's not an endless mission type (Defense, Disruption, Survival, etc...). This doesn't have to happen 100% of the time, but I'd love to see more Corpus vs Grineer shenanigans happening in these missions, it also makes sense.

3) Occasional Invasion-type alert missions pop-ups, "helping your Converted Kuva Lich" missions. I really want more things to do and interact with your converted liches. It'd be really cool if occasionally, there will be alert Invasion-like missions popping up, where you'll side with your Converted Kuva Lich's grineer troops and fight off Corpus or Infested out of their sectors and stuff. You'll earn extra rewards or so. I think it's also a pretty good way to implement old alerts back into the game, and a really good incentive for a lot of players to convert liches, helping out your converted liches with their endeavors. 

It doesn't have to be like the old Alerts, maybe make it like daily missions you can take like the weekly Clem missions. And you can do them by going to Iron Wake and talking to Cressa Tal in Steel Meridian. Or something in the Crimson Branch. 

4) Make the Grineer in Kuva lich's missions have the same color palette as the Kuva Lich. I've seen Thralls getting their colors changed when converted in the missions to match with the Kuva lich, I don't know if it's intended or if it's a bugged because sometimes I see them with the same colors except for the head becoming grey. But if it's intended, I hope it'd be more widely implemented to make the enemies feel a little more unique in the Kuva Lich's missions. 

5) In the FUTURE, when "Nemesis" system expands to Corpus and Infested. Would be cool to have a Grineer nemesis and Corpus nemesis at the same time and they will both occupy different parts of the system, and potentially clash with each others' sectors, having both Corpus and Grineer fighting each other and us in missions. Just a little fantasy but I hope there'll be something similar to that, it'd make everything a lot more alive and less dull. 

 

As of right now, I still really like the Kuva Lich system after 27 liches. But it is pretty dull, it's just normal, higher-level missions with tiny twists, not enough to keep people interested in the long run in my opinion. Then again, everyone's different, some will like missions that are the exact same, simple and straight-forward.

Edited November 21, 2019 by SprinKah

[GruntBlender]

I like it, except for alerts. There's good reason alerts disappeared. Maybe make it a weekly/daily mission in the way Clem and Maroo offer weekly missions. One of your liches shows up at the dojo in the crimson branch or at iron wake, you go there to start the mission like with Clem at Darvo's shop. Clem always does survival, the lich will always do invasion style extermination.

[SprinKah]

2 hours ago, GruntBlender said:

I like it, except for alerts. There's good reason alerts disappeared. Maybe make it a weekly/daily mission in the way Clem and Maroo offer weekly missions. One of your liches shows up at the dojo in the crimson branch or at iron wake, you go there to start the mission like with Clem at Darvo's shop. Clem always does survival, the lich will always do invasion style extermination.

As long as you can do something similar like helping your lich's forces in a fight, I'm happy.

Utilizing Iron and Crimson Branch is really a great idea, I like it. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by SprinKah

[Steel_Rook]

A few points here - I'd love to have some kind of customisation for converted Kuva Liches. Honestly, it would be nice if we could customise them WHILE they're under Grineer influence by shooting off a leg or an arm and having it replaced with another one, but that's pie-in-the-sky. Once we have our Liches converted, though, it would be nice to be able to at least swap around their colour scheme.

As to Crossfire missions - I'm personally against that, for technical reasons. Crossfire is fun, but Lich Thralls can only spawn on Grineer spawns. Those are far rarer in Crossfire missions, making the act of farming Thralls that much slower and less rewarding.

As to Lich alerts... Sure, I'm game - though don't gate any significant rewards behind them. Think the "Help Clem" mission - it's a neat thing to do because I like Clem, but I don't go there looking for drops or rares. I go there for Clem. Presumably if I've converted a Lich, it's because there's something about that Lich that I like (and not because I wanted to trade them, god that system...) so presumably I'd want to help them for the same reason.

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10 hours ago, SprinKah said:

1) More Lich quirks, personalities, voice lines and randomly-generated customization. I think we all really want this, it does suck a little that there's only 1 personality type for each Lich gender.

Ara-ara lich or riot

[(PSN)Aneres_Omega]

I don't personally like it(and it seems many more don't ether seeing how it fell from it's spot on steam), though some do.

That I am glad some like it but they need to make very easy to opt-out.

Though if they made it where using the tenno to strip the lich of it's immortality(like you do the guards working for the queens) to just flat out kill it.

But for better rewards(the weapons) grinding for the codes would make it a more appealing for those that want to do it.

 

 Also have a opt-out option ether in the options menu or an item that can be bought for 250k credits and must be in the gear wheel to be active and it insta-kills the larva long before you see it.

[(PSN)thegarada]

Port a similar system for Corpus. Amalgams. 

[SprinKah]

12 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

A few points here - I'd love to have some kind of customisation for converted Kuva Liches. Honestly, it would be nice if we could customise them WHILE they're under Grineer influence by shooting off a leg or an arm and having it replaced with another one, but that's pie-in-the-sky. Once we have our Liches converted, though, it would be nice to be able to at least swap around their colour scheme.

As to Crossfire missions - I'm personally against that, for technical reasons. Crossfire is fun, but Lich Thralls can only spawn on Grineer spawns. Those are far rarer in Crossfire missions, making the act of farming Thralls that much slower and less rewarding.

As to Lich alerts... Sure, I'm game - though don't gate any significant rewards behind them. Think the "Help Clem" mission - it's a neat thing to do because I like Clem, but I don't go there looking for drops or rares. I go there for Clem. Presumably if I've converted a Lich, it's because there's something about that Lich that I like (and not because I wanted to trade them, god that system...) so presumably I'd want to help them for the same reason.

Well I wouldn't say crossfire would make spawning thralls less...that's just a theory from your side. Personally I don't think it'd be the case if DE makes it not. Plus, it's only gonna be on Exterminate, Capture and yknow....non-endless missions types. Most players already only go to survival, defense, interception lich missions for maximum thralls anyway. 

Personally, I think lich alerts don't have to be rewarding...I really just want them to be...there, to help make this whole lich system more alive because currently after you're done converting your lich there isn't much that really expresses that they're there. That's about it really, everything's just pretty damn dull right now and I believe a lot of people would like the kuva lich mission a lot more if the Kuva Lich system is more...alive.

11 hours ago, (PS4)Aneres_Omega said:

I don't personally like it(and it seems many more don't ether seeing how it fell from it's spot on steam), though some do.

That I am glad some like it but they need to make very easy to opt-out.

Though if they made it where using the tenno to strip the lich of it's immortality(like you do the guards working for the queens) to just flat out kill it.

But for better rewards(the weapons) grinding for the codes would make it a more appealing for those that want to do it.

 

 Also have a opt-out option ether in the options menu or an item that can be bought for 250k credits and must be in the gear wheel to be active and it insta-kills the larva long before you see it.

Hasn't DE already done something like that? You can literally just ignore the larvaling and just move on with your mission? If you want to gain a new lich you have to mercy kill the larvaling. 

It'd really suck if DE just up and made the Kuva Lich damn easy, finally we're getting missions at around lvl 100 and if DE is just gonna make it super easy and make it so we can just one-shot everything again, to me, it'd honestly be a damn shame. 

[SprinKah]

9 hours ago, (PS4)thegarada said:

Port a similar system for Corpus. Amalgams. 

I don't mind that, I mean DE did say that theyre gonna expand this to Corpus and even Infested ̣̣(not sure how that'd work)

I just reallly hope it won't just be copypasta of this system, actually make this system for each faction unique to each other. 

[Steel_Rook]

6 hours ago, SprinKah said:

Well I wouldn't say crossfire would make spawning thralls less...that's just a theory from your side. Personally I don't think it'd be the case if DE makes it not. Plus, it's only gonna be on Exterminate, Capture and yknow....non-endless missions types. Most players already only go to survival, defense, interception lich missions for maximum thralls anyway. 

In my experience, the game rolls on spawning a Thralls every time it spawns a Grineer enemy on the map, unless the Thrall cap has been reached. I came to this conclusion by sitting around a room not spawning enemies (chatting with friends) and noting that no Thralls spawn. Not until I start moving and loading other rooms which causes them to be populated with spawns, or unless I trip an alarm which causes constant spawns. Because Crossfire maps spawn Grineer and some other faction (usually Corpus), only some of the spawns have the opportunity to be Thralls, meaning the already low spawn percentage is made lower still.

As a technical issues, this can be addressed via technical solutions. The game could optionally roll to spawn a Thrall on EVERY spawn regardless of faction, or Thralls spawn chance can be increased in Crossfire missions. I should perhaps have led with this instead of going with a "no," but these things aren't inconsequential.

[GruntBlender]

19 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

As to Crossfire missions - I'm personally against that, for technical reasons. Crossfire is fun, but Lich Thralls can only spawn on Grineer spawns.

Could just up the thrall spawn rate compared to regular grineer to compensate.

Edit: Oh, you said that later in the thread. My bad.

Edited November 21, 2019 by GruntBlender

[Steel_Rook]

1 hour ago, GruntBlender said:

Could just up the thrall spawn rate compared to regular grineer to compensate.

Edit: Oh, you said that later in the thread. My bad.

Right, which is why I shouldn't have gone with a "no" on Crossfire originally, but rather should have proposed solutions to the issue which was making me leery. Honestly, doing that was breaking my own rule against down-voting a mechanic for technical implementation reasons not related to that mechanic's intrinsic merits. As such, I need to amend my original complaint to "I'd be OK with more Crossfire missions, as long as Thrall spawns remain consistent with their non-crossfire variants."

[(PSN)Aneres_Omega]

10 hours ago, SprinKah said:

1. Hasn't DE already done something like that? You can literally just ignore the larvaling and just move on with your mission? If you want to gain a new lich you have to mercy kill the larvaling. 

2. It'd really suck if DE just up and made the Kuva Lich damn easy, finally we're getting missions at around lvl 100 and if DE is just gonna make it super easy and make it so we can just one-shot everything again, to me, it'd honestly be a damn shame. 

1. Yes and no

They don't state tgat in the DNs or at least it wasn't there yesterday when I read through them, so not everyone will know that without asking on the forums.

The only reason I even knew about the opt-out option was because I asked here on the forums.

Now think about a new player and they read the DNs and this information is missing, how do you think they will feel when they have an unkillable lich more or less soft locking their game when it could have been avoided with that information up front and to ensure not to accidental creating a lich have a item in the gear wheel to completely remove the possibility?

Less headache over all.

 

2. Did you even read my entire comment or skip half of it?

I gave two ways, I will repeat it but with greater detail.

I clearly stated two options on killing the lich, first with the tenno but get no rewards for it, think of it as a failsafe option that would remove an unkillable threat, remember not everyone has great rng luck or the ability to kill it once it is too high lvl

The second part I clearly stated for those who wanted a challenge they have to find the codes to deal with it and only way to get the weapons.

[SprinKah]

12 minutes ago, (PS4)Aneres_Omega said:

1. Yes and no

They don't state tgat in the DNs or at least it wasn't there yesterday when I read through them, so not everyone will know that without asking on the forums.

The only reason I even knew about the opt-out option was because I asked here on the forums.

Now think about a new player and they read the DNs and this information is missing, how do you think they will feel when they have an unkillable lich more or less soft locking their game when it could have been avoided with that information up front and to ensure not to accidental creating a lich have a item in the gear wheel to completely remove the possibility?

Less headache over all.

 

2. Did you even read my entire comment or skip half of it?

I gave two ways, I will repeat it but with greater detail.

I clearly stated two options on killing the lich, first with the tenno but get no rewards for it, think of it as a failsafe option that would remove an unkillable threat, remember not everyone has great rng luck or the ability to kill it once it is too high lvl

The second part I clearly stated for those who wanted a challenge they have to find the codes to deal with it and only way to get the weapons.

1) That's up to the player tbh. But I suppose some people will just go and end up creating a lich by mistake. But gotta be honest with you i don't find it to be that big of an issue.

Maybe they can just have a little message pop up whenever a larvaling appear, something like "mercy kill to create a kuva lich or leave it to die". 

2) I apologize for that, I suppose you're right. I'm aware that there will be players that created their lich, intended or by mistake and end up finding it too big of a challenge to fight against.

I don't mind DE putting out a "fail safe" consumable to "ward off" the active Kuva Lich. But that'd enable players to be able to just...roll through multiple kuva liches to get what the weapons and bonus they want.

Maybe you can only do that once a week or something, to prevent something like that. 

[(PSN)Aneres_Omega]

21 hours ago, SprinKah said:

1) That's up to the player tbh. But I suppose some people will just go and end up creating a lich by mistake. But gotta be honest with you i don't find it to be that big of an issue.

Maybe they can just have a little message pop up whenever a larvaling appear, something like "mercy kill to create a kuva lich or leave it to die". 

2) I apologize for that, I suppose you're right. I'm aware that there will be players that created their lich, intended or by mistake and end up finding it too big of a challenge to fight against.

I don't mind DE putting out a "fail safe" consumable to "ward off" the active Kuva Lich. But that'd enable players to be able to just...roll through multiple kuva liches to get what the weapons and bonus they want.

Maybe you can only do that once a week or something, to prevent something like that. 

1. That pop up message is an interesting idea, how about a daily pop up like say "do you wish to opt out of lich larva for the day?"

 If a player has already created a lich there would be no message at all until the lich is dealt with which would prevent abuse

 

2. No big deal mistakes happen.

Lets see, how about this using the tenno's ability once resets the lich level but also it's code, doing this four times kills the lich for good, this way the system can't be abused as each time you reset the lich's lvl it resets the code means you can't just do it to try to get the code right.

[SprinKah]

3 hours ago, (PS4)Aneres_Omega said:

1. That pop up message is an interesting idea, how about a daily pop up like say "do you wish to opt out of lich larva for the day?"

 If a player has already created a lich there would be no message at all until the lich is dealt with which would prevent abuse

 

2. No big deal mistakes happen.

Lets see, how about this using the tenno's ability once resets the lich level but also it's code, doing this four times kills the lich for good, this way the system can't be abused as each time you reset the lich's lvl it resets the code means you can't just do it to try to get the code right.

To reply to both arguments, personally I'd prefer if the Lich would...get bored of you after so long and move on, you will maybe lose the rewards that were stolen from you, or not. It can go either:

1) Lich will get bored of you if you don't play in Lich missions for 2 or 3 days, a message will be sent to you to signify your Lich's departure.

2) Using tenno abilty to reset the codes and doing that four times will make the lich bored of you and move on.

Well, long story short, I just want to have a feel that the Lich doesn't die bc  they're immortal, they just yknow...get bored and move on from you.