Tetraneon Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I feel like everyone is complaining about not having end game content, however when ever warframe makes changes any changes that might make an end game plausible you complain. They then add content that just requires more grind and then you guys complain. They nerf over powered weapons/frames/mods and then you complain. Missions that are just generally harder, you complain. some members in the community suggests changes in which warframe as a whole would rely on more skill, more specific load outs, more team work you complain... I just wish maybe instead of complaining, you would actually make suggestions for what you think would make the game better... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)yepbeeble Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) I would k i l l to see your mastery rank rn Edit: No matter what people will complain. Best thing to do is ignore it if someone does, you can't please everyone. Edited November 20, 2019 by (XB1)razberryX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoffmode Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Just cause you made a bad suggestion no one liked doesn't mean community has a problem. Maybe your suggestion was just bad. Edited November 20, 2019 by zoffmode 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKerris Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)yepbeeble Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, zoffmode said: Just cause you made a bad suggestion no one liked doesn't mean community is bad. Maybe your suggestion was wrong. Talkin about his post on nerfing serration and buffing status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetraneon Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, (XB1)razberryX said: Talkin about his post on nerfing serration and buffing status? its not my only thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoffmode Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, (XB1)razberryX said: Talkin about his post on nerfing serration and buffing status? This is clearly what this is all about. Guy can't handle not being praised for his ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)yepbeeble Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, zoffmode said: This is clearly what this is all about. Guy can't handle not being praised for his ideas. Not just this, but he's complaining about the community that h e i s a p a r t o f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetraneon Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, zoffmode said: This is clearly what this is all about. Guy can't handle not being praised for his ideas. haha nope, i just cant handle people hitting ideas, but not giving alternative suggestions... but then still complaining about end game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, (PS4)Hikuro-93 said: Warframe community is Karen. We are Karen. Karen is hot... I dig crazy chicks. Just now, Tetraneon said: haha nope, i just cant handle people hitting ideas, but not giving alternative suggestions... but then still complaining about end game Why do your posts read like a haiku? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetraneon Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: Karen is hot... I dig crazy chicks. Why do your posts read like a haiku? I have a terrible hate for messages that are long... I feel as though it makes them easier to read... I also love white space, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragmod Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajochi Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, MacKerris said: I concur 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevoisvevo Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, Tetraneon said: I feel like everyone is complaining about not having end game content, however when ever warframe makes changes any changes that might make an end game plausible you complain. They then add content that just requires more grind and then you guys complain. They nerf over powered weapons/frames/mods and then you complain. Missions that are just generally harder, you complain. some members in the community suggests changes in which warframe as a whole would rely on more skill, more specific load outs, more team work you complain... I just wish maybe instead of complaining, you would actually make suggestions for what you think would make the game better... You should join the church. More people will listen to your sermons there than anyone here lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Players in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colyeses Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Tetraneon said: I feel like everyone is complaining about not having end game content, however when ever warframe makes changes any changes that might make an end game plausible you complain. What changes were made to make endgame plausible? As far as I know, there haven't really been any solid 'end-game' enabling changes. 1 hour ago, Tetraneon said: They then add content that just requires more grind and then you guys complain. To be fair, grind is not what anyone really asked for. Sure, we appreciate having something to grind towards, but there must be a certain amount of tangible progress. The issue with the grind with Liches, aside from the grind loop itself being deeply flawed, is that the damage % of weapons can arbitrarily determine whether you actually get -any- reward. If a Lich rolls with a lower %, you have to grind without making -any- progress towards a new or better weapon. 1 hour ago, Tetraneon said: They nerf over powered weapons/frames/mods and then you complain. I haven't seen that much complaining about nerfs. There's a few very vocal ones, but overall the nerfs are taken quite lightly. 1 hour ago, Tetraneon said: Missions that are just generally harder, you complain. This has to do with different forms of difficulty. There's many ways in which gameplay can become more difficult, and sadly, DE has a habit of picking the worst ones. Flat numerical increases aren't a good way to increase difficulty at the scale that Warframe is operating. Either it doesn't accomplish anything, or it passes a certain tipping point where the artificial inflation of difficulty suddenly becomes unfair. Let's take an example from Destiny 2, as their difficulty design is actually pretty good. There are these missions called 'forge ignitions', where players have to kill highlighted enemies to make them drop batteries, which they need to throw into the forge, and every day, there's a different forge. One of the easier forges is the Volundr forge. Enemies are pretty big, they're pretty slow, the entire fight is very straightforward. It's one solid arena with plenty of cover. From almost anywhere in the arena, it's easy to toss a battery into the forge. By comparison, the Izanami forge is a -lot- more challenging. The enemies are slightly squishier, but they're also smaller, making them harder to hit. They're slightly more aggressive too, so there's more incoming fire and more pressure on the players. But the biggest thing that makes the Izanami forge more difficult is that the arena is split into three islands. There's a large center island with little cover, where the forge is located, but there's also two smaller islands with a bit more cover, where enemies spawn as well. Since players need to kill enemies to spawn batteries, the team is forced to split up. Some players will need to take position on the smaller islands, hunt for batteries, which they then need to lob onto the main platform, because you can't actually reach the forge directly from the smaller isles, and then the player on the main island will have to scoop them up to feed them into the forge. This forces a level of co-operation and coordination from the team. That is a fantastic way to induce difficulty. In contrast, WF tends to increase difficulty by simply upping numbers, which is irrelevant in almost all cases, until you encounter a Nox that takes two weeks to kill, or a bombard that starts to OHKO everything. It's not fair difficulty, thus it's not fun difficulty. 1 hour ago, Tetraneon said: some members in the community suggests changes in which warframe as a whole would rely on more skill, more specific load outs, more team work you complain... I've seen an overall very positive reception to Vauban's rework. Ember's rework is a little trickier because the rework didn't quite take things as far as it should've. The rework is just not as good as it needs to be. 1 hour ago, Tetraneon said: I just wish maybe instead of complaining, you would actually make suggestions There -are- suggestions. There's lots of suggestions floating around, but you do need to sift through the complaints to find them. However, keep in mind that accurate complaints that pin-point exact issues are immensely valuable to game designers, as it allows them to tailor a specific solution to the problem. Yes, there've been a lot of complaints lately, but the sad truth is that DE is simply not showing their A-game right now. Vauban's rework is a solid A, Ember's rework is a B, the melee rework seems to be a C, and the Kuva Lich system is just a flat F. There's just simply going to be a lot of criticism in the wake of a bad patch. That's unavoidable. Hopefully we'll see more of DE's A-game when Empyrean rolls around, whenever it does. There'll likely be fewer complaints at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl_3 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 The feedback threads are full of suggestions. Can anyone come up with a way to make DE stop ignoring them and maybe reply to some of them? It's bad business to ignore your customers, all it shows is that either they don't care, or they don't have answers to the questions being asked. I wonder which it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarix Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I think people just like to complain and to feel entitled in general. Probably not a problem that is unique to the Warframe community. And a distinction has to be made between constructive feedback and childish tantrums, of which one can see a lot recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 RNG isn't a "grind" it's to waste time. Nerfing something because it's popular isn't a valid reason to make it useless and weak. Where are these "harder" missions you mention? We can just roll right through them without much issue. Also making an enemy a bullet sponge isn't making something more difficult. Oh, and most suggestions on the forum only benefit one person... the bias person posting it. It generally doesn't benefit the game or playerbase as a whole. People make suggestions all the time, sometimes great suggestions. They're never put into game though since "internal discussions" would vote against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 these numbskulls keep talking about skill in warframe there isn't anything that requires critical thinking or precise action/movement when you have abilities that circumvents the existence of parkour and shooting and even melee which in the most extreme cases just requires your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raikh Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Endgame is not taking players toys away and then make level 100 enemies hard again. People who want endgame want new content that is tailored towards the high powerlevel of fully formaed weaponry and frames. Nerfing our power to make existing content more challenging is something neither the endgame player wants nor soemtihng that the non-endgame player wants. A lot of issues are on the enemies side. Way too little HP way too much emphasis on armor. Partially even that enemies actually do too much damage which makes squishy frames unreliable at higher levels which warps the survivability vs damage balance. You can nerf outliers on the frames/weapons side once you have established a base where it can be measured. Having the same old content and then nerf the most popular solutions is just taking away without giving. The difficulty of cotnent we have in the game has far been outlived. SOrtie's were intorudced in 2015 and we had much less pwoer back then and lvl 100 missions were still easy back then, people have been doing hours of endurance runs fighting against enemies int he hudnreds if not thousands. SInce then we msotly have gotten stronger but we haven't seen any icnrease int he difficulty of enemies available by normal means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atekron Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) people complain because there are reasons to complain yes, "endgame", we complain because at some point there is nothing to do in warframe yes we complain about latest update because it's unnecessary grindy, lack rewards and is too finicky to enjoy we also complain because updates last two years was very rare and separated by rather long periods of droughts we complain about nerfs because, usually, they completely destroy some weapon or frame, just look on pure Ember - girl that was destroyed last year, in the same time Equinox and Saryn exist when we complain about missions it's usually because they are way too grindy or just "unfun", like profit taker or latest Grendel missions and we make suggestions, tons of good suggestions that DE just ignore so we complain and leaving and leaving and.. https://steamcharts.com/app/230410 Edited November 20, 2019 by Atekron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AiLuoLi- Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Welcome to the real world where people will complain about just anything, and yes that includes you. The problem with Warframe is the community humans. Edited November 20, 2019 by -AiLuoLi- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yrkul Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, -AiLuoLi- said: the community humans Could you please stop generalizing? I identify as an attack helicopter, a television sattelite or a 120mm AT gun, depending on how I feel, and getting lumped in with organics is really triggering me. Not that I have anything against humans, mind you. I have several human friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FriendSharkey Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Forum User complains about other forums users complaining. Internet internets .~News At Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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