Lancars Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THE HARPOONS!. Trying to do missions with infested and the ancients end up becoming MORE COMMON THEN CHARGERS. No matter how fast i move or anything i'm caught out of the air or somehow harpoons from some small space they can see me. I DO NOT want to use a BANDAID mod to "fix" this problem. DE needs to come up with something to replace it as i'm starting to miss the slapping ancients. Atleast i could sail over them and not get hit by their space magic homing harpoons. (Slapping ancient got replaced with harpoon ancients to fix the "tenno ping pong" issue way back but this made it worse then ever) 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhkretor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Lancars said: I DO NOT want to use a BANDAID mod to "fix" this problem. What you need is to be less on the air and to pay attention to stuff better. The problem you're having isn't that rare, but anyone that uses the ground properly, other than a never ending big ass trampoline, and pays attention to his/her surroundings barely gets a harpoon to the face. Also, slapping ancients were used for the Halloween Event of previous years, if I'm not mistaken. I've never had Ancients that slapped instead of harpooning and I've been around since U7. Edited November 22, 2019 by Uhkretor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancars Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Uhkretor said: What you need is to be less on the air and to pay attention to stuff better. The problem you're having isn't that rare, but anyone that uses the ground properly, other than a never ending big ass trampoline, and pays attention to his/her surroundings barely gets a harpoon to the face. Except that they can snap harpoon within 0.01 seconds of seeing me with nearly instant travel time and then harpoon me as soon as i get up from being harpooned again and then again. I can't see 360 degrees and be aware of the ancients when you have 20 of them showing up in the same room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I only want the Los issues fixed. Being harpooned while behind cover is annoying and screw things quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhkretor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Lancars said: I can't see 360 degrees and be aware of the ancients when you have 20 of them showing up in the same room. ... That's where "listening to the sound" comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teksorbkyva Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) They would be more tolerable if Ancients couldn't also harpoon while stunned, knocked down, or on fire. Grineer Scorpions can't do all that and when Ancients do it, the animations often don't play so it doesn't even seem like a proper feature. There's little you can do to predict it when they don't follow the normal procedure of crowd control effects stopping enemy attacks. Corpus Techs and Grineer Bombard/Heavy Gunners can also do this with their AoE slam which is real annoying. Edited November 22, 2019 by Teksorbkyva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Demon Intellect Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, 0_The_F00l said: I only want the Los issues fixed. Being harpooned while behind cover is annoying and screw things quickly. That's what irritates me. Oh you ran around a corner? nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancars Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Uhkretor said: ... That's where "listening to the sound" comes in. Listening to the sound of ancients when there is many of them and you have the sounds of all the other infested drowning everything else out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancars Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, (XB1)Demon Intellect said: That's what irritates me. Oh you ran around a corner? nope! Or they come around a corner and they knew you where coming and pre-fire the harpoon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Demon Intellect Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Lancars said: Or they come around a corner and they knew you where coming and pre-fire the harpoon. Yeah. Honestly scorpions can get #*!%ed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhkretor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Lancars said: Or they come around a corner and they knew you where coming and pre-fire the harpoon. ... that's what "AI awareness" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancars Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Uhkretor said: ... that's what "AI awareness" is. enough of this warrior zen thing. It doesn't work with a video game. I can be aware of an enemy around a corner but then get harpooned from behind or around another corner. I can go to shoot them but another infested gets in the way or i get harpooned by another ancient. I cannot block 360. I cannot dodge every single harpoon because they home in on you. I've even been harpooned as zephyr when her Turbulence and in the middle of a Tailwind going forward. Harpoons are broken and all the awareness in the world can't stop all of them skulking around every corner. If ancients weren't so common then i'd be fine but they become more comment then chargers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancars Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 *sighs* my awareness is fine. I don't have any issue with any other enemy except ancients with harpoons. Scorpions tho annoying they don't become as abundant as ancients. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, Uhkretor said: What you need is to be less on the air and to pay attention to stuff better. The problem you're having isn't that rare, but anyone that uses the ground properly, other than a never ending big ass trampoline, and pays attention to his/her surroundings barely gets a harpoon to the face. I mean, let's be honest, sometimes the Ancients can grapple you while you're traveling very fast in the air to avoid another Ancient, in which I like to call that BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Uhkretor said: Also, slapping ancients were used for the Halloween Event of previous years, if I'm not mistaken. I've never had Ancients that slapped instead of harpooning and I've been around since U7. Easy to get a slapping Ancient: Dodge harpoon Let it come close to you Wait as it winds up its slap attack to knock you on your ass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMinty Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The battle against Infested is best fought on the ground, with a melee weapon. I've been harpooned only a few times when I fight them on the ground and actively charge them. Blocking while sprinting or jumping at them will also prevent getting harpooned in the face. Also, I know that radiation is a lower damage type against the infested, but the proc is stupidly useful against ancients and infested in general. Oberon is my go to cleanser of the Infestation. Pick paladin frame to destroy the sickness and plague? Makes sense. Harrow is also pretty good. Those chains have a long range and just deny everything infested have and make them easy pickings. Priest and Paladin frames are my picks. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhkretor Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Lancars said: enough of this warrior zen thing. It doesn't work with a video game. Actually, it does. But its subjective to the person... Doesn't work with you, but it does for me. 7 hours ago, Lancars said: I cannot block 360. No one can. However, the amount you can block does depend on how fast (and accurate) you actually turn to block... 7 hours ago, Lancars said: I cannot dodge every single harpoon because they home in on you. Actually, they don't. Their speed is high enough to appear to home in... Otherwise, rolling wouldn't work to dodge them and it does work. So does bullet jumping out of the way. And the AI doesn't track your current position, it flawlessly predicts your trajectory. The first Ancient misses you because you dodged its harpoon, but the next one will hit if you don't dodge again after you hear the harpoon being fired. They're a bit tricky, and the more harpoons "launchers" you have, the shorter is your reaction window. 7 hours ago, Lancars said: I've even been harpooned as zephyr when her Turbulence and in the middle of a Tailwind going forward. This could be a bug. Did you report it as a bug? Because it sounds like harpoons are ignoring the effects of those skills. 7 hours ago, Lancars said: If ancients weren't so common then i'd be fine but they become more comment then chargers. Infesteds... They'll throw everything at you, they're not as selective as Grineer or Corpus enemies. The longer you resist to them, the heavier is the resistance to you. While with Grineer and Corpus units, it translates in a slight increase of deployed Heavy units, the Infestation throws all the Heavy units and then some in an attempt to steamroll you through the map... 7 hours ago, CaptainMinty said: The battle against Infested is best fought on the ground, with a melee weapon. I've been harpooned only a few times when I fight them on the ground and actively charge them. Blocking while sprinting or jumping at them will also prevent getting harpooned in the face. Also, I know that radiation is a lower damage type against the infested, but the proc is stupidly useful against ancients and infested in general. Oberon is my go to cleanser of the Infestation. Pick paladin frame to destroy the sickness and plague? Makes sense. Harrow is also pretty good. Those chains have a long range and just deny everything infested have and make them easy pickings. Priest and Paladin frames are my picks. Hmm. See? CaptainMinty knows how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Hooked on a feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Mushroom Mushroom! scnr. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844448 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Try less staying in midair and more of rolling and this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Uhkretor said: And the AI doesn't track your current position, it flawlessly predicts your trajectory. Which I maintain is absolutely stupid, just like how Ballistas can still just snipe you out even when flying across the map pre-enemy accuracy rework. It's basically the game saying 'Hey, you know how moving fast means you'll avoid being hit? Well, here's an enemy that ignores that!'. Just now, Kontrollo said: Mushroom Mushroom! scnr. 😅 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 What I hate most about those hooks is that if you kill the enemy right as they are going to shoot the hook out it will often shoot even after they die, meaning you get knocked down by a dead enemy. That and how much they spam them, like a Scorpion could see you for half a second and INSTANTLY shoot a hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Renegade343 said: What? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badgers_(animation) Oddly, title reminded me of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Hoagie Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I too dislike getting harpooned, knocked over and dragged by my face across a battlefield. Or harpooned and dragged when I am literally 2 feet away from the enemy. But I cannot lie, seeing a big fat ghoul fly through the air on a harpoon up to me on my arch-wing is both hilarious and frightening. "C'MERE!, I'M GONNA EAT YOU!, GET IN MAH BELLY!" I swear that dude and Grendel would be the slayer of Buffets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryYourWaiter Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Mod out a Harpak and have your own harpoon! rivens actually make it very strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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