Seph-Aldaire Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeMonkey said: Yes, you did, and what's more you know you did. "Scans your whole system" is entirely correct, you said much the same. Read that bit, now look closely and read between the lines. Where are "running processes" located? Why they're located across your whole system. Yes, Warframe scans your entire system, it's just that it specifically looks at running processes within your system. Actually if it's scanning memory it's scanning a specific thing, memory. You seem to be confusing memory and storage for the same thing, which they are most certainly not. EDIT: for proper clarity, running processes are in memory, everything else is storage. They exist in entirely seperate parts of the PC even. Edited November 30, 2019 by Oakjaw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Just now, Oakjaw said: Actually if it's scanning memory it's scanning a specific thing, memory. You seem to be confusing memory and storage for the same thing, which they are most certainly not. Not confusing anything, merely speaking in layman's terms. If booting the Warframe launcher causes a scan of every single other process you have running, processes contained within the entirety of your "system", then calling people out for saying "scanning the entire system" is either extreme pedantry or posturing. Is the singular post that Kitten reffered to particularly hard to follow? Are you confused by the fact that they referred to it as a "scan of the entire system" despite all the previous clarification? No? Pedantry or posturing, take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserkerkitten Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 God, I'm sooooo in the mood to argue over why checking all running processes isn't the same as "scanning your entire system", let's keep doing this for another 25 posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimSinner Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 In situations where Warframes anti-cheat scan detects a suspect or suspicious process, why not just have the game refuse to start until such processes are terminated? Is something like that reasonable or does it absolutely have to be a server side auto ban? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman_Bird Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, GrimSinner said: In situations where Warframes anti-cheat scan detects a suspect or suspicious process, why not just have the game refuse to start until such processes are terminated? Is something like that reasonable or does it absolutely have to be a server side auto ban? Presumably so cheaters can’t easily trial-and-error their way through finding a cheating software that works. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevCat Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, GrimSinner said: In situations where Warframes anti-cheat scan detects a suspect or suspicious process, why not just have the game refuse to start until such processes are terminated? Is something like that reasonable or does it absolutely have to be a server side auto ban? Apparently that used to be the case, at least from what I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, -Kittens- said: As stated there is no debate, and there is no precedent. Any time any company has tried to enforce anything like this, it's been shot down, period. EULAs have been deemed neither policy nor law. As he said it is a debate for lawyers to have in the particular country. Not all of the world is the US, so even if these things go one way in the US they wont go the same way everywhere else. It also depends on what game it comes down to. It will likely also change from state to state since laws regarding binding contracts vary alot within the US and across state borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 15 hours ago, 0_The_F00l said: Nobody here can help you. From the softwares perspective you carried a loaded gun onto a plane, the fact that you did it unintentionally or by accident is irrelevant. Just be careful next time. Meh. The air marshals do that all the time. But yeah, being careful is the order of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserkerkitten Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Thing is, though, whether it's legal or not, regardless of whether it "would stand up in court" - imagine having your account terminated over such a thing. Or having to talk to a lawyer, because whoops, you forgot to turn off your ENB injector and now your account is gone. Probably not very fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Berserkerkitten said: God, I'm sooooo in the mood to argue over why checking all running processes isn't the same as "scanning your entire system", let's keep doing this for another 25 posts! Sure. I can bring up a list of my running processes and read it in a few seconds, but a complete scan of my system via something like an anti virus will take time as it will look at every file. Easy enough, right? What I'm arguing is that you're being unnecessarily pedantic with regards to a very simple question. Why does Warframe scan the entire system. If you understand computers then you're intelligent enough to understand what they're asking. Why does Warframe need to look at (scan) every process currently running on their PC (the entire system). It's not hard. Conspiracy theories my arse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserkerkitten Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Right. But I'm the one being pedantic. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerfinator6 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Memory =/= Storage how hard is it to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, Berserkerkitten said: Right. But I'm the one being pedantic. 😄 Yes, because instead of actually answering their question you berated people for "conspiracy theories" (please...) based on how you chose to interpret a single post. Their post was not hard to understand, memory, storage and scanning doesn't come into this at all. If you wanted to correct them on proper usage of that then you could do that as an aside, but you made it the main body of your response. That's pedantic, and doesn't actually answer their question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserkerkitten Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Wow, you're still here. I wonder what makes you think that I have any interest at all in having this stupid and pointless discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 If you have any actively running applications on your machine that are capable of allowing user access and editing of active memory (read: RAM, not your HDD/SSD) such as Cheat Engine, Memory Editors, or other applications that could allow a user to read and alter Warframe's data while it's running, Warframe will detect it and issue an automatic ban. No, Warframe isn't scanning 'your whole system,' it's not rummaging through all your folders and storage and things you don't want mom & pop to find, it's scanning active memory, as in, only the applications and services that are actively running, similar to how if you open your task manager and look at your 'Processes' tab you get a list of all the applications running in the foreground and the background, that's what Warframe checks through. There are a lot of applications that can fall into this category. ENB, for example, basically hijacks the API used for rendering graphics to make Skyrim prettier... however it uses similar (if not the exact same) methods to achieve this as 'wallhack' cheats use to allow players to see or detect other players (or enemies) through walls. Unfortunately, because ENB shares this quality with actual cheating applications, it will trigger a false positive and the system will automatically ban you if it detects it. This is not likely to change given how similar ENB is to actual hacks/cheats. Support gave you another chance probably because you were actually able to provide enough evidence to prove that you weren't cheating. Your best bet is to take the second chance and be more diligent in the future when making sure you don't have any memory-editing software running when you fire up Warframe in the future. Moreover, if you wish to discuss your ban or your second chance, you will need to do so with Support. We on the forums are not equipped to help you in that regard. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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