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1) Defense/Mobile Defense. So, we go in to protect a valuable item (Cryopod, energy core, whatever), inside an enemy ship/base, from the enemy who already have possession of it. What??? Why are the enemies trying to destroy their own stuff? And why do the Infested even care about a cryo pod or a Grineer computer?

Simple fix: Make it so the Corpus are being defended against on Grineer maps, and Grineer are attacking on Corpus maps. At least that way we can say that we were hired to defend the objective.

1a) Also, mentioned many times, why is it on every Mobile Defense ever, Lotus doesn't know how long it will take her to hack the system?

 

2) Capture. Alright, Capture makes perfect sense for Corpus. It's a bit of a stretch for Grineer, and again makes no sense for Infested. I'm referring to the Capture target. For Corpus? He's an official or something. To explain kidnapping a Corpus agent from an important chamber in a Grineer ship? Ok, maybe it's a trade meeting or the Corpus is a double agent. But infested? Sounds more like a rescue mission to me. And finally, Capture in the Void. This makes the least sense of all, since the Corrupted are defending the target. It would have made a million times more sense to just keep Raid in the Void, because why wouldn't we go there to take valuable artifacts.

Fix? Get Infested out of Capture missions, and on Grineer missions replace the Corpus with a Grineer ship commander. Enough of these damn placeholders...

 

3) Grineer Sabotage. Why is it the only Galleon with a destroyable reactor is the very first one we find? Also, how do they have soooo many mining machines to destroy? And why do we go to destroy them even if there are already Infested there? Not like the Grineer are gonna be using them anymore.

 

4) Deception. Alright, I know Deception is getting reworked if not completely replaced. However, as it stands there is one glaring issue with the Grineer Galleon mission: why is the navigation system also the system controlling a space-mine releasing mechanism? This luckily has the easy fix of just recording a new line for Lotus and having it play in that specific situation (assuming they can fix which lines play when...see comments about planetary maps)

 

Will update when I think of other nonsense.

Oh, and one suggestion. When Ruk gets updated, can he be put on a Fomorian? Currently that awesome intro scene from the event is going to waste, and the lore said that the Grineer would still be building them. AND the man in charge of an entire fleet should be on a flagship.

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How I think of Defense: Tenno show up to grab the cryopod, the Grineer/Corpus would rather see it destroyed than fall into the hands of the Tenno. We protect the pod until it is safe to extract with it.

 

Yeah, but it's not a strictly given answer. And that doesn't make much sense for their computers on MD.

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Yeah, but it's not a strictly given answer. And that doesn't make much sense for their computers on MD.

If you listen to the Lotus dialogue it's because she is in the computer hacking it. The enemy are tring to destroy their equipment so she doesn't get their secrets. Soon MD is being updated with an actual Lotus drone unit instead of the datamass.

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Soon MD is being updated with an actual Lotus drone unit instead of the datamass.

 

I heard DE was considering making a "Lotus Escort" mission, but this is literally the first time I've seen the words "Lotus drone" and having anything to do with mobile defense. 

 

Do you have a source or is this just assumption?

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If you listen to the Lotus dialogue it's because she is in the computer hacking it. The enemy are tring to destroy their equipment so she doesn't get their secrets. Soon MD is being updated with an actual Lotus drone unit instead of the datamass.

 

I heard DE was considering making a "Lotus Escort" mission, but this is literally the first time I've seen the words "Lotus drone" and having anything to do with mobile defense. 

 

Do you have a source or is this just assumption?

 

That was to replace Deception not MD. And then there's the Tron style Spy replacement

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I heard DE was considering making a "Lotus Escort" mission, but this is literally the first time I've seen the words "Lotus drone" and having anything to do with mobile defense. 

 

Do you have a source or is this just assumption?

When Rebecca played with us Pink Octopi, she used the word drone. You could check through Silverbones "The Hidden Redcoat" youtube channel to find it. It was during his operation Arid Fear vid.

That was to replace Deception not MD. And then there's the Tron style Spy replacement

Oops, my bad. You are correct. Still it would make sense if they put Lotus in both, no?

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What??? Why are the enemies trying to destroy their own stuff?

Presumably to keep it out of Tenno hands.

And why do the Infested even care about a cryo pod or a Grineer computer?

Because while infested are space zombies, they're also apparently intelligent enough to fly spaceships and, going by Golem's and Phorid's talks with the player, are eager to assimilate Tenno.

And why do we go to destroy them even if there are already Infested there? Not like the Grineer are gonna be using them anymore.

Unless the grineer retake the base, that is.

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Survival doesn't make much sense on planets.

 

 

The corpus can siphon the air from an ENTIRE PLANET?

 

I think the planetary survival should be different from normal survival. Maybe send more and more mobs rather than air draining.

 

Also. Rescue. If this prisoner is so important, why is he a suicidal retard? No wonder he was captured.

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Also. Rescue. If this prisoner is so important, why is he a suicidal retard? No wonder he was captured.

 

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Escort

 

Looks like this is going to be fun when we have to escort a Lotus Drone, and then Lotus will say "Yo dawg, I herd you liek escorting drooling, blubbering windowlickers so I put a prisoner on this ship that you need to free so you can escort a blubbering, drooling windowlicker while escorting a blubbering, drooling windowlicker" after hacking the final terminal...

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Survival doesn't make much sense on planets.

 

 

The corpus can siphon the air from an ENTIRE PLANET?

 

I think the planetary survival should be different from normal survival. Maybe send more and more mobs rather than air draining.

 

Clearly, their scientists watched too much Spaceballs in their free time.

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Considering every planet is apparently terraformed by magical Orokin superclarketech, the fact that the air can be controlled locally doesn't actually surprise me. They could spell it out in-game a little better, but it doesn't bother me.

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1) Mobile/Endless Defense:

 

How I think of Defense: Tenno show up to grab the cryopod, the Grineer/Corpus would rather see it destroyed than fall into the hands of the Tenno. We protect the pod until it is safe to extract with it.

I always assumed that was the case too, a bit of a stretch for MD but they do have more than one terminal so maybe sacrificing a computer is fine with them. Although it would be cool if the Grineer/Corpus reluctantly hired us to protect the cargo for them, as you said. Not sure about the infested, but they do have a hivemind I'm sure, so maybe they're being ordered to destroy the cyropods/reactors for some unknown reason.

 

2) Capture: I think DE has stated the Corpus target was just a placeholder; I imagine in the future the Grineer will get their own official and maybe for the Infested you'll have to capture a unique branch of the species before it can grow out of control. As a side note, they should bring back the competent scouts from the Corpus Void event to add some challenge to higher level capture missions.

 

3) Sabotage: Is the Terminus the only Galleon Sabotage? I hadn't noticed until now. As for the infested, again they could probably just change the targets from mining machines to infested hives/nests or something like that (it could even be some kind of miniboss fight to put a twist on the mission).

 

 

All in all, a lot of the missions do lack logic, but I think it's mainly because a lot of elements such as the objectives and Lotus's dialogue are placeholder and therefore confusing and nonsensical. I'm sure DE will (eventually) refine this stuff so it makes more sense.

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1) Defense/Mobile Defense. So, we go in to protect a valuable item (Cryopod, energy core, whatever), inside an enemy ship/base, from the enemy who already have possession of it. What??? Why are the enemies trying to destroy their own stuff? And why do the Infested even care about a cryo pod or a Grineer computer?

Simple fix: Make it so the Corpus are being defended against on Grineer maps, and Grineer are attacking on Corpus maps. At least that way we can say that we were hired to defend the objective.

1a) Also, mentioned many times, why is it on every Mobile Defense ever, Lotus doesn't know how long it will take her to hack the system?

 

1) Those were Tenno-controlled pods that got over-run. We (the players) are sent in to defend the pod until reinforcements can arrive. Infested care for the same reason they always have cared: There is life in the pod = Must consume life. As for the Mobile defense computers - Have you ever failed an infested mobile defense during one of the terminal phases? Exactly

1a) Hohehahohe, soundbite jokes

 

 

2) Capture. Alright, Capture makes perfect sense for Corpus. It's a bit of a stretch for Grineer, and again makes no sense for Infested. I'm referring to the Capture target. For Corpus? He's an official or something. To explain kidnapping a Corpus agent from an important chamber in a Grineer ship? Ok, maybe it's a trade meeting or the Corpus is a double agent. But infested? Sounds more like a rescue mission to me. And finally, Capture in the Void. This makes the least sense of all, since the Corrupted are defending the target. It would have made a million times more sense to just keep Raid in the Void, because why wouldn't we go there to take valuable artifacts.

Fix? Get Infested out of Capture missions, and on Grineer missions replace the Corpus with a Grineer ship commander. Enough of these damn placeholders...

 

I agree with the Orokin Derelict Capture, but not the void. That guy still knows too much...

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1) Those were Tenno-controlled pods that got over-run. We (the players) are sent in to defend the pod until reinforcements can arrive. Infested care for the same reason they always have cared: There is life in the pod = Must consume life. As for the Mobile defense computers - Have you ever failed an infested mobile defense during one of the terminal phases? Exactly

1a) Hohehahohe, soundbite jokes

 

 

 

I agree with the Orokin Derelict Capture, but not the void. That guy still knows too much...

 

First, I actually hadn't thought about the Infested just wanting to consume what is in the pod. And yes, I have failed infested Mobile Defense on a Corpus map, so I'm not entirely sure what your point is...?

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1) Mobile/Endless Defense:

 

I always assumed that was the case too, a bit of a stretch for MD but they do have more than one terminal so maybe sacrificing a computer is fine with them. Although it would be cool if the Grineer/Corpus reluctantly hired us to protect the cargo for them, as you said. Not sure about the infested, but they do have a hivemind I'm sure, so maybe they're being ordered to destroy the cyropods/reactors for some unknown reason.

 

2) Capture: I think DE has stated the Corpus target was just a placeholder; I imagine in the future the Grineer will get their own official and maybe for the Infested you'll have to capture a unique branch of the species before it can grow out of control. As a side note, they should bring back the competent scouts from the Corpus Void event to add some challenge to higher level capture missions.

 

3) Sabotage: Is the Terminus the only Galleon Sabotage? I hadn't noticed until now. As for the infested, again they could probably just change the targets from mining machines to infested hives/nests or something like that (it could even be some kind of miniboss fight to put a twist on the mission).

 

 

All in all, a lot of the missions do lack logic, but I think it's mainly because a lot of elements such as the objectives and Lotus's dialogue are placeholder and therefore confusing and nonsensical. I'm sure DE will (eventually) refine this stuff so it makes more sense.

 

Those do sound like fantastic ideas for improving the infested missions. I really hope DE sees them.

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Another idea of Mobile Defense: Normal ship map, you break into a chamber that contains a cryopod. Your mission now is to escort that pod to extraction. To do this, one of your team has to push the pod (get next to it and "Push X to activate"). The pod then starts to move slowly, the player pushing is cut off from using his weapons or abilities (running isn't possible either, for obvious reasons). To use them, you'll have to push X again to stop the pod.

Now, if your team is good, you can make it to extraction without putting the ship on alert, completely unnoticed (despite the dead guys marking your way). If you are seen and someone sounds the alarm ... well, it's gonna be like normal defense, only with you trying to move through the crowd. You have the choice of pushing the pod along, while having only three people to defend it. Or putting it down, killing the mobs with all four mates and hoping that you're gone until reinforcements arrive.

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3) Grineer Sabotage. Why is it the only Galleon with a destroyable reactor is the very first one we find? Also, how do they have soooo many mining machines to destroy? And why do we go to destroy them even if there are already Infested there? Not like the Grineer are gonna be using them anymore.

 

I had it on occasion that Grineer would show up and kill the infested replacing them for the rest of the level. That always makes a nice kind of sense and actualy adds some priority to the mission.

 

Maybe they should increase the chance of that happening in infested asteroid sabotage missions.

 

Reminds me to a nice Corpus abduction mission i once had. Mission starts as normaly on one of their ships with them as enemies. Midway i saw them fighting Infested and after a while there were only Infested and the walls and floors begann to be covered in their fungus. Interesting enough MOAs would still spawn from boxes and the cameras were still trying to block my way. After getting the subject, i thought about how the ship is going to be another Infested space hulk when Lotus adds an additional mission objective, to destroy the reactor.

 

That was a really atmospheric mission and a nice change of pace from the regular ones.

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Some infested do seem to have sapience and the ability to control lesser infested. It's possible that many of these missions feature such infested, who are compelled to go after certain targets.

 

It's also perfectly possible for areas that are currently overrun by infested to be, or contain, something of value to another faction. Thus, infested could easily be the only opponents one would face, while acting against Corpus or Grineer interests.

 

So, we go in to protect a valuable item (Cryopod, energy core, whatever), inside an enemy ship/base, from the enemy who already have possession of it. What??? Why are the enemies trying to destroy their own stuff?

 

Once they realize Tenno are about to recover the pod or capture the base/vessel, the Corpus/Grineer have only one sensible option: scuttle it.

 

This is pretty common, if not mandatory, practice during war when the opposing force is about to capture materiel or sensitive objects.

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I agree on those things mentioned by the OP, but mind me if I go a little off topic...

We get mods from Infested. I got a Hell's Chamber once from infested.

How in the name of Orokin Gods, did they get a mod, and what are they going to do with it? Eat the mod? They even didn't have shotguns.

 

Well that's weird, but I think it's the only way to get mods equally from all kinds of factions and enemies, making the infested dropping mods. If the infested isn't dropping mods, then we have no reason to go to Xini.

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