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Hi there !

We know for sure that Railjacks are large warship, used in mass by the Orokin during the Old War. Our own model is a Sigma series, so i think there are other series shown in the form of skin.

There is one thing i'm curious about ; How powerful is a Railjack lorewise (Not taking account gameplay limitation) ? Was it very successful in fighting the Sentient ?
Were they really the pinnacle of the Orokin/Tenno fleet ?

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The Railjack is an interceptor ship mostly comparable to a sloop-of-war or a corvette from the Age of Sail. It doesn't really have the firepower to take on Grineer Galleons which are named after one of the largest and most poweful ships of the line from that same era. What makes a Railjack truly powerful is its speed, versatility, and its superhuman crew. Before the Tenno crewed Railjacks they were Dax craft and presumably escort craft for Orokin ships. Ships like Galleons or their Corpus equivalents require too many crew members to do what a Railjack does, so many that the Grineer rely upon mass cloning themselves and the Corpus Crewmen are heavily implied to be some kind of genetically stunted serf caste conceptualized by an Archimidian.

Think of the Railjack as a delivery vehicle for the most lethal payload around: Tenno. The ship is like a viral capsid: It's a shell that protects and delivers its contents to invade and eventually destroy a larger multi-cellular organism.

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14 minutes ago, Mints said:

The Railjack is an interceptor ship mostly comparable to a sloop-of-war or a corvette from the Age of Sail. 

Considering a Railjack sits at over 200 meters (it's nearly as long as real life battleships and twice as tall) and sports heavy ordinance cannons (the Dome Charge launcher) I'd say it's more of a frigate or an attack submarine (or indeed, a sloop) than a mere corevette. The devs have called it an "interceptor", but Cy uses "interceptor" for Grineer single-pilot starfighters just to make things all the more confusing

But yes, all of that pales in comparison to it's REAL payload: us

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12 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said:

Considering a Railjack sits at over 200 meters (it's nearly as long as real life battleships and twice as tall) and sports heavy ordinance cannons (the Dome Charge launcher) I'd say it's more of a frigate or an attack submarine (or indeed, a sloop) than a mere corevette.

Cy makes a comment about how none of our weapons could hope to harm a Galleon so I don't think our cannon is all that "heavy" in the scheme of things. Turrets are somewhat comparable to swivel guns rather than gun decks so I don't think we're up to the standard of Frigate. I feel like Railjacks weren't originally designed to be warships but are more like custodial craft crewed by Dax to police the system for the Orokin. It just so happens that they were quite useful as an armed clown car full of Tenno.

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3 hours ago, Mints said:

Cy makes a comment about how none of our weapons could hope to harm a Galleon so I don't think our cannon is all that "heavy" in the scheme of things. Turrets are somewhat comparable to swivel guns rather than gun decks so I don't think we're up to the standard of Frigate. I feel like Railjacks weren't originally designed to be warships but are more like custodial craft crewed by Dax to police the system for the Orokin. It just so happens that they were quite useful as an armed clown car full of Tenno.

I don't think Galleons are frigates - they're definitely higher-end ships, more similar to battleships or indeed a Galleon - a kind of Ship-of-the-line.

 

Railjacks clearly were warships, since they were sent into battle against Sentients, even post-Dax. We know this from weapon lore and from the new quest. I think the guns would be useful against smaller Sentient fighters (there's really no distinction between Sentient ships and soldiers, one of their advantages). That being said, the mere existence of the Archwing slingshot indicates that during the Tenno era their primary payload was indeed the Tenno themselves. We see this during the Sentient Ship - Cy doesn't even entertain the idea of a Railjack assault, instead moving directly to the away portion. Given Cy's talk about it being a 'home', it seems they were deployed in a more 'forward base' regard compared to the orbiter, a place where Tenno could deploy, retreat to recuperate and deploy again in quick succession, with it's own guns being more for defense then assault. Taking Tenno guerilla tactics and letting them be deployed on the front line.

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5 hours ago, Mints said:

The Railjack is an interceptor ship mostly comparable to a sloop-of-war or a corvette from the Age of Sail. It doesn't really have the firepower to take on Grineer Galleons which are named after one of the largest and most poweful ships of the line from that same era. What makes a Railjack truly powerful is its speed, versatility, and its superhuman crew. Before the Tenno crewed Railjacks they were Dax craft and presumably escort craft for Orokin ships. Ships like Galleons or their Corpus equivalents require too many crew members to do what a Railjack does, so many that the Grineer rely upon mass cloning themselves and the Corpus Crewmen are heavily implied to be some kind of genetically stunted serf caste conceptualized by an Archimidian.

Think of the Railjack as a delivery vehicle for the most lethal payload around: Tenno. The ship is like a viral capsid: It's a shell that protects and delivers its contents to invade and eventually destroy a larger multi-cellular organism.

I mean wouldnt the liset be all around better for that? Stealth cloak and drop off the tenno.

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1 hour ago, Loza03 said:

Railjacks clearly were warships, since they were sent into battle against Sentients, even post-Dax. We know this from weapon lore and from the new quest. I think the guns would be useful against smaller Sentient fighters (there's really no distinction between Sentient ships and soldiers, one of their advantages). That being said, the mere existence of the Archwing slingshot indicates that during the Tenno era their primary payload was indeed the Tenno themselves. We see this during the Sentient Ship - Cy doesn't even entertain the idea of a Railjack assault, instead moving directly to the away portion. Given Cy's talk about it being a 'home', it seems they were deployed in a more 'forward base' regard compared to the orbiter, a place where Tenno could deploy, retreat to recuperate and deploy again in quick succession, with it's own guns being more for defense then assault. Taking Tenno guerilla tactics and letting them be deployed on the front line.

Militias fight in wars but that doesn't make them soldiers. Terrorists weld heavy guns to the back of Toyotas but that doesn't make the trucks into tanks. What something is made for/created from and what it's used for are not necessarily the same thing. Railjack equipment is consistently described as Dax in origin and it's likely that Railjacks predate the use of Tenno, and probably even the Old War itself, entirely. Furthermore, the crew Cy talks about while building the Railjack were all Dax. He never had a Tenno crew and stated simply that we "would do." Why would there be entire Houses of Dax dedicated to living on, manufacturing parts for, and operating Railjacks if they were merely creations to fight a single war? That's a social, cultural, and familial structure not just a military one. Feudalistic, even.

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53 minutes ago, Mints said:

Militias fight in wars but that doesn't make them soldiers. Terrorists weld heavy guns to the back of Toyotas but that doesn't make the trucks into tanks. What something is made for/created from and what it's used for are not necessarily the same thing. Railjack equipment is consistently described as Dax in origin and it's likely that Railjacks predate the use of Tenno, and probably even the Old War itself, entirely. Furthermore, the crew Cy talks about while building the Railjack were all Dax. He never had a Tenno crew and stated simply that we "would do." Why would there be entire Houses of Dax dedicated to living on, manufacturing parts for, and operating Railjacks if they were merely creations to fight a single war? That's a social, cultural, and familial structure not just a military one. Feudalistic, even.

Railjacks were clearly upgraded or altered for Tenno use after the fact. Technology is not stationary. In part, it was necessity - things that were too advanced would be taken by the Sentients. It's sigma series after all, not a sigma Brand.

It's like the VW Beetle or a Mini (the car) - they're a part of the same series, but they're not the same cars.

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1 hour ago, Loza03 said:

Railjacks were clearly upgraded or altered for Tenno use after the fact. Technology is not stationary. In part, it was necessity - things that were too advanced would be taken by the Sentients. It's sigma series after all, not a sigma Brand.

I have to wonder if it was actually the other way around. That is to say, I wonder if Railjacks were so lacking in advanced technology (like automated systems) that they became the only way to actually fight the Sentients. Ballas mentions that the Sentients turned the Orokin's advanced war machines against them quite easily. So instead they turned toward infestation and Void shenanigans. The lack of automated systems on a Railjack is quite peculiar and the entire thing is run by a Cephalon, but not an AI. Cephalons, as you probably already know, are basically a Ghost In The Machine: Like Ordis they were once a person but their consciousness, maybe even their soul, was extracted and forged into a piece of technology using kuva. The Reliquary Drive is more like magic than tech too.

The Sigma series, Sigma being used to demonstrate a final sum in mathematics, may actually be very old. So old that it uses technology so "simple" in its design that it can't be hacked or altered at a basic level. There is evidence to suggest that the Dax found some success in war against the Sentients and their Railjacks were probably a major part of that. As time went on they probably became a staple of the war effort, but due to their design and the role of Dax as warrior-retainers within Orokin culture I think their original purpose was for law enforcement rather than as proper warships.

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Railjacks are.... weird. From a modern standpoint, they're probably fairly close to torpedo boats- think World War 2 era PT boats- but the forward artillery isn't all that  impressive on a big scale (Isn't enough to damage Galleons, so presumably it's not to any kind of capitol ship scale... though that may be more a gameplay thing than a lore thing). 

It seems underarmed for it's size- even allowing for ghost eye gunners, it's only got two turret mounts and a fixed forward mount- plus the cannon, of course. I'm discounting the archwing slingshot because Dax didn't use archwing (Did they? Not sure)- and the turret mounts are kind of anemic compared to other weapons we run into (Hi crewships!) 

I'd say it's a SOF ship- something designed to deliver warframes to a target point with enough speed and firepower to get them there, but the listet, with it's cloaking, works better for the role (And warframes don't work like modern SF teams)- and  the crews were apparently either largely or entirely dax before now. 

Honestly, I'd say they're closer to Cutters- fairly small, fast ships meant to interdict criminal activity and deal with defensive duties closer to a large installation. 

 

 

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