Soo are we like god killers?

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

11 hours ago, (PS4)Eluminary said:

The orokin were basically just humans that had enough technology to figure out immortality, the sentient are basically just skynet, the tenno are just the top of the heap when it comes to semi-immortal killing machines..

 

Also as far as everyone hating us that's not really true.  They're probably needs to be more exploration into this but there's been several instances where they have shown that there are populations beyond the corpus grineer and infested.  Most of them are opressed and taken advantage of (or eaten)by those three factions.  The fact that we murder them by the billions makes us the heroes to many demons to others.

 

There are even instances in the game where the tenno are worshipped as gods.  Certain aspects of the red veil worship the tenno (Rell).  Also in Inaros was worshipped as a God as well.  Gara is a revered savior to the ostrin just short of godhood status for them.  No one worships or misses the orokin or sentient.

 

 

well reil/harrow to me should be considered god tier for being able to seal a being as strong as the void, inaros dingle handedly defeated a lot of dax and infested units, we dont know if the sentients are actually worshipped by anyone cause we havent been to the tau system where they reside so we can really say for sure, the grineer, while evil, do have rules and orders but they only do things through violence hence why they're hated etc etc, we may be hailed as heros for some but for other we're seeing as the villains.

[(PSN)Silverback73]

21 hours ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:

not really. we're good at killing things that claim to be gods, if a genuine almighty being appeared though, who knows. I wonder if the Void itself is a living entity, maybe not "god" in the typical sense, but something incomprehensibly powerful that we cannot hope to fathom, and can only ask for it to not destroy us all. what we cannot understand, we resort to worshipping, and the void was heavily worshipped back in the day..

This.  The most dangerous thing about Tenno is that we are immortal child-soldiers playing at God with our power.

Like the Sentients, we also follow the classic hubris-driven narrative of “creations destined to rise up and kill our creators.”

It’s just that now we are on a collision course like two different apex predators in one eco-system.

So no, we aren’t truly  “gods” or “god-killers”.  We aren’t truly omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.

We are simply at the top of the food chain.

We just find our deadly toys and powers to be truly delicious, much in the same way that a loyal dog finds it’s human-cooked food to be the most delicious thing it has ever tasted.  It doesn’t have the capacity to understand how it was made or why it tastes that way, but boy-oh-boy does it crave and need to have it...the best thing EVER.

[Itsmez]

On 2019-12-28 at 8:16 AM, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

Ok so the sentients have always seen themselves as "gods" hunhow himself proclaim to be one and in the new side quest about the lotus, her brother said the same thing..sooo are we lik god slayers now? I really want D.E to put out the full resume of a healthy sentient's power level and compare that to us(i mean werent they doing a comic book?what happened to that?)

They claim that they are gods, but it doesnt mean that they are gods

Edited December 29, 2019 by Itsmez

[DroopingPuppy]

23 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

Lets make a list of "Gods" in sci-fi games:

1) Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)

2) Gaius (Contra)

3) Master Albert (MegaMan)

4) Gravemind (Halo)

We know the result of such title.

That is the fate of the arrogance.

[DroopingPuppy]

Well, but you know that the word 'god' is not only means the entity with omniscience and omnipotent, the one and only being, literally and doctrinally(of the real religions). A being that possess extraordinary power and ability can be considered as gods, by literary and metaphorically.

So ask about 'Is it a real god?' is simply meaningless actually, unless what you want to do is a catechism for the real religions on our real world. But it is clear that we don't have to and actually we should avoid the topic, so we should read it as the latter definition. You should remember that we are NOT discuss about our real world, in the first place.

For the latter definition, Orokin can be called as the gods, for their powers are immense enough to shape the world, until we had executed the justice. And because we slayed Orokins, normal denizens of the prime system may call us the god killers - as the worshippers of Inaros does.

It also means it depends on the viewpoint. The worshippers of Inaros calls Orokins(and their Dax puppets, if I remember correctly) as the gods, for what the Orokin can is can't be matched by them. But will you think Orokins as an unbeatable foe and should worship them? We Tenno are killed them for their crime, and they are history now, so Orokins were no more than the thugs with an undeserved power for us.

Edited December 29, 2019 by DroopingPuppy

[SneakyErvin]

5 hours ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

But that doesnt add up tho, wally should/may very well be the void itself..think about it, it was stated on multiple occasion during the reil quest and we nevr had any issues b4 then, once harrow is released(which in its description it says it manifest his power from the void itself) thats when we start seeing the man in the wall aka wally(still havent seen mine 😩) and reason ehy i said "wally" could/is a god is dur to the fact that he seems to know when and where any event is happening, for instance when he got us to see ballas freeing lotus then again when he took us to ballas in a whole NEW system, so to me that makes him omnipotent and omnipresent. Ok yes the sentients were created by men but that doesnt mean the cant evolve into becoming gods perfect example is amazo from the dceu he's pretty much just lik the sentients, the only difference is that he can copy whoever's powers compared to the sentients that becomes immune/adapt to said powers(which in reality would make the sentients even stronger than amazo). But all in all what im saying is amazo was a robot yet he evolved into a god tier lvl.

I think Wally is more just a being tapped into the void, hence why he knows so much and can reach out to us at will. The void is afterall spread everywhere across the system and we are tocuhed and changed by it. He probably spies through the void just as we do, but can control it much better for that cause.

For me the sentients are nothing but more advanced Borg. They pretty much have the same idea for defense, it is just cranked up to match the power of the tenno/frame better since we are a few magnitudes more powerful than what the Star Trek universe has to offer.

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

5 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

This.  The most dangerous thing about Tenno is that we are immortal child-soldiers playing at God with our power.

Like the Sentients, we also follow the classic hubris-driven narrative of “creations destined to rise up and kill our creators.”

It’s just that now we are on a collision course like two different apex predators in one eco-system.

So no, we aren’t truly  “gods” or “god-killers”.  We aren’t truly omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.

We are simply at the top of the food chain.

We just find our deadly toys and powers to be truly delicious, much in the same way that a loyal dog finds it’s human-cooked food to be the most delicious thing it has ever tasted.  It doesn’t have the capacity to understand how it was made or why it tastes that way, but boy-oh-boy does it crave and need to have it...the best thing EVER.

Well we(the tennos) arent really "gods" per se, imo I'd say we could be considered somewhat god-tier cuz there arent really any beings other than the void that can actually stand up to us, but no we arent omni anything cuz we actually need ships to travel from place A to place B, we also dont know anything going on in the universe cuz well as i said we aint omni anything...the void on the other hand is different.

[DroopingPuppy]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

Well we(the tennos) arent really "gods" per se, imo I'd say we could be considered somewhat god-tier cuz there arent really any beings other than the void that can actually stand up to us, but no we arent omni anything cuz we actually need ships to travel from place A to place B, we also dont know anything going on in the universe cuz well as i said we aint omni anything...the void on the other hand is different.

We don't need the omni-something to be called as a god, you know. Think about 'Are we the real god?' is simply pointless and is out of topic.

Edited December 29, 2019 by DroopingPuppy

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

I think Wally is more just a being tapped into the void, hence why he knows so much and can reach out to us at will. The void is afterall spread everywhere across the system and we are tocuhed and changed by it. He probably spies through the void just as we do, but can control it much better for that cause.

For me the sentients are nothing but more advanced Borg. They pretty much have the same idea for defense, it is just cranked up to match the power of the tenno/frame better since we are a few magnitudes more powerful than what the Star Trek universe has to offer.

i dont agree cuz if im right(dont remember exactly) during the reil mission it was specifically stated that while the "being" gave us our power reil also saw that sane being as evil, hence why he went and sealed it. Well lik i said robots can actually evolve to become god like, for instance the vex in destiny 1 and 2, amazo etc etc 

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

2 minutes ago, DroopingPuppy said:

We don't need to be omni-something to be called as a god, you know.

Well ya true but as it stand we arent gods tho, if our power were to be measured, it'd around god tier lvl

[DroopingPuppy]

Yes, we know(or at least assumed) that Tennos are not the 'god' described by the real religions. But we may viewed as the gods by the normal people in the origin system. Just as they consider Orokin as the god(they really does in the Warframe world).

The point is, the word 'god' does not only means the real god. Something with godlike feature or power for someone can be also called as the god, either a metaphor or a real belief.

'Is it a real god?' is a debatable topic but it is fully depend on the definition of the creator(of the world). If DE says the Tennos are gods, they are the gods, and if DE says they are not, then they are not. But since the word 'god' also used as the metaphor for something with extraordinary power or potential, and it is possible that someone actually believe that it is actually the god after see it perform miracles, it is nothing wrong to say something with immense power the god.

Edited December 29, 2019 by DroopingPuppy

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

5 hours ago, Itsmez said:

They claim that they are gods, but it doesnt mean that they are gods

Being a god means that you're the strongest in a who universe, other than the void/man in the wall, the sentients could be considered the 2nd most powerful beings in the universe, so yes in theory they CAN be called "gods", but we kill them hence why we could also be called god slayers or a god also 

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

1 minute ago, DroopingPuppy said:

Yes, we know that Tennos are not the 'god' in the real religions. But we may viewed as the gods by normal peoples in the origin system. Just as they consider Orokin as the god.

Oh no im not tlking about the real world, we tlking about the warframe universe.heck even in the real world the tennos could be considered god...but yea you're correct.

[Itsmez]

37 minutes ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

Being a god means that you're the strongest in a who universe, other than the void/man in the wall, the sentients could be considered the 2nd most powerful beings in the universe, so yes in theory they CAN be called "gods", but we kill them hence why we could also be called god slayers or a god also 

No. Here is the explanation on what is a god https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Yes technically you can claim yourself to be a god, but you need backing from people to it. People needs to believe it. But it has nothing to do with how strong you are.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Itsmez

[(PSN)ITS_TH3GOD]

29 minutes ago, Itsmez said:

No. Here is the explanation on what is a god https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Yes technically you can claim yourself to be a god, but you need backing from people to it. People needs to believe it. But it has nothing to do with how strong you are.

Ok but thats the thing tho you research shows that its about whether people calls or worship said being as a god..by that definition then not only are the tennos and the void one but it also support the claim of the sentients cuz again, we have nevr set foot in the tau system, so we dont know whether the have followers/worshippers or not yet it has been stated that they're one in multiple occasions, by hunhow, others, and most recently by erra in the most recent quest when he called lotus one.

[Loza03]

When one examines the abilities of the Tenno themselves, it becomes apparent that the possibility exists that we're the gods, and just don't know it/aren't confident or aware enough to try it.

We know from the nature of the Resovoir that the Tenno can use transference across extreme distances with no reduction in effect. As of Erra, we know that the Moon wasn't always hidden in the void, meaning that during the Mag Prime codex entry battle, the Tenno there was in real-space, transmitting their transference signal to their Warframe in a different star system, across light years of space with no time delay (because it'd be entirely impossible to operate in a real fight if there was any) and without any loss in signal. It's reasonable to assume from this that Tenno have unlimited, or at least incomprehensibly huge, sphere of influence for Transference and any associated psychic abilities (such as the visions that are used as the in-universe explanation for cutscenes). We also know from Transcendence (the chest laser) that they do not need to be physically present to use their abilities, only mentally/astrally present. Bear in mind, pre-War Within Tenno only had access to void beam, which is what they use in Transcendence, so it's reasonable to suggest that any of their other abilities would be viable in this state. This includes pyrokinesis, energy control, matter alteration and even Chronokinesis.

 

So, we can mentally project our presence anywhere in the known universe, and we can use any of our powers when there whilst our vulnerable physical bodies are somewhere else. That means, in theory, we could literally just... cause effects anywhere we want by thinking about it. That sounds pretty 'god' like if you ask me. As for why we haven't done this before, the obvious meta answer is that then there is no game if the Tenno are given the ability to just... win without doing anything._{any more than we already are} 

In-lore, it's probably due to the mystery surrounding the Tenno. Nobody has ever been a Tenno before the players, so all of our abilities are still being discovered. With psychic powers, the main limiting factor is the perception of your abilities. If you don't know or believe that you can dump fireballs on any location you so desire just by thinking really, really hard, would you try it? Even if you did, how would you know you're not just doing it wrong if you fail? It's not like with muscles where you can surprise yourself with how much stronger you've become - your psychic powers where you can do whatever you think of would be based on what you think you can do. 

[SneakyErvin]

12 minutes ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

Ok but thats the thing tho you research shows that its about whether people calls or worship said being as a god..by that definition then not only are the tennos and the void one but it also support the claim of the sentients cuz again, we have nevr set foot in the tau system, so we dont know whether the have followers/worshippers or not yet it has been stated that they're one in multiple occasions, by hunhow, others, and most recently by erra in the most recent quest when he called lotus one.

Even if they have followers, it doesnt mean those followers are right. It may be that they simply dont understand the technology of the sentients, and can only explain it through the supernatural. Just as men worshipped fire, the sun, the ocean and drew connections between sickness and deities. Heck, even during the 80's the people struck by ebola and its earlier strain saw it as something supernatural or God's will, because they couldnt explain it or understand the science of it. We all know the sun isnt a god, fire is basic survival knowledge and ebola is just a strain of a virus.

If the sentients are worshipped, it only means they are gods to a specific culture, they dont get more powerful from it and they arent more godly in the eyes of the tenno or others that have access to ancient Sol history. It becomes more of a ancient egypt thing, where you have someone worshipped as a god, yet he is as mortal and weak as every other human, aside from being shielded away behind thick walls and an elite army of blind followers.

[DroopingPuppy]

2 hours ago, Itsmez said:

No. Here is the explanation on what is a god https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Yes technically you can claim yourself to be a god, but you need backing from people to it. People needs to believe it. But it has nothing to do with how strong you are.

You don't need to be a real god in order to be called as a god. And the word 'god' in metaphor does not requires it to be a real god either. Why you think about the real god in the first place? It does not needs to be, and it is simply out of point actually.

What something needs to called as a god is just the extraordinary ability that normal people think it is nothing but a god, or very wonderous that almost no one can do the same. Either the people just calls it a god by a metaphor(one of the most high expression that the being is how great) or really believes that it is a god, the reason and end result are same. It is an ordinary usage of the word 'god' - it does NOT only means the real god - so I can't understand why you are so strictly insist on the existence of the divinity. Especially on the setting that does not consider the divinity. It is, just irrelevant. I don't think that we should have a catachism about the real religions, do you? What we actually need to consider are metaphor, epic feats and belief, NOT the divinity and the definition of the god.

Also some of them may call themselves a god. It is just a self-styled title, but most of these entity will have the reason of their arrogance, at least. Only the most mad or ridiculously powerful creatures(usually both) are crazy enough to calls themselves a god.

Are Orokins the gods? Most of us will answer that they are not, but they are actually called as the god by many denizens in the origin system. For them, what Orokins did make them to think Orokins as the gods.

It is sad that they can't call us the god killers, because almost all of them are not aware that we Tenno are who bring the justice to foul Orokins, despite they are actually believe that Orokins are the gods.

Edited December 29, 2019 by DroopingPuppy

[SneakyErvin]

1 hour ago, DroopingPuppy said:

You don't need to be a real god in order to be called as a god. And the word 'god' in metaphor does not requires it to be a real god either. Why you think about the real god in the first place? It does not needs to be, and it is simply out of point actually.

What something needs to called as a god is just the extraordinary ability that normal people think it is nothing but a god, or very wonderous that almost no one can do the same. Either the people just calls it a god by a metaphor(one of the most high expression that the being is how great) or really believes that it is a god, the reason and end result are same. It is an ordinary usage of the word 'god' - it does NOT only means the real god - so I can't understand why you are so strictly insist on the existence of the divinity. Especially on the setting that does not consider the divinity. It is, just irrelevant. I don't think that we should have a catachism about the real religions, do you? What we actually need to consider are metaphor, epic feats and belief, NOT the divinity and the definition of the god.

Also some of them may call themselves a god. It is just a self-styled title, but most of these entity will have the reason of their arrogance, at least. Only the most mad or ridiculously powerful creatures(usually both) are crazy enough to calls themselves a god.

Are Orokins the gods? Most of us will answer that they are not, but they are actually called as the god by many denizens in the origin system. For them, what Orokins did make them to think Orokins as the gods.

It is sad that they can't call us the god killers, because almost all of them are not aware that we Tenno are who bring the justice to foul Orokins, despite they are actually believe that Orokins are the gods.

And we arent really talking metaphors here, we are talking actual godhood levels of power, that of the mytological kind.

Yes someone may be refered to as a god on the field in a soccer game, but that doesnt actually make the person a god. Just as a person being refered to as being hard as nails or solid as a rock doesnt really have any of the attributes that a nail or rock actually has.

What Itsmez refered to is what is needed to become an actual god. We've had normal people throughout our history that have had god status while being mortals, but they also had the power to inspire or invoke fear in their people to think of them as deities. The Orokin were man-gods in that same sense. They had immense technological knowledge that their slave tribe colonies simply didnt understand, so they were seen as gods. Just as Inaros was seen as a god, because the people didnt understand the highly advanced tech of a Warframe.

[DroopingPuppy]

20 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

And we arent really talking metaphors here, we are talking actual godhood levels of power, that of the mytological kind.

Yes someone may be refered to as a god on the field in a soccer game, but that doesnt actually make the person a god. Just as a person being refered to as being hard as nails or solid as a rock doesnt really have any of the attributes that a nail or rock actually has.

What Itsmez refered to is what is needed to become an actual god. We've had normal people throughout our history that have had god status while being mortals, but they also had the power to inspire or invoke fear in their people to think of them as deities. The Orokin were man-gods in that same sense. They had immense technological knowledge that their slave tribe colonies simply didnt understand, so they were seen as gods. Just as Inaros was seen as a god, because the people didnt understand the highly advanced tech of a Warframe.

I don't think so. We are talking about the metaphor, NOT the divinity. The world of Warframe doesn't have the concept of the divinty and godhood at all, unlike D&D where the pantheons of gods are actually exists, are participate in the flow of the universe, give the power to the devout followers, and the essence of the god is an actual difference between the god and the mortal. Then why we need to talking about the godhood in here, the origin system? It is just out of the topic.

Perhaps, the man in the wall show the hint that the entity can be a real god or something similar, but that's all. At first there is no concept of godhood at all in here.

Edited December 29, 2019 by DroopingPuppy

[Itsmez]

4 hours ago, (PS4)ITS_TH3GOD said:

Ok but thats the thing tho you research shows that its about whether people calls or worship said being as a god..by that definition then not only are the tennos and the void one but it also support the claim of the sentients cuz again, we have nevr set foot in the tau system, so we dont know whether the have followers/worshippers or not yet it has been stated that they're one in multiple occasions, by hunhow, others, and most recently by erra in the most recent quest when he called lotus one.

Well theyre as mutch of gods as i can say i am a god. As wiki states "The Sentients are an artificial race from the Tau System that were the chief enemies of the Orokin during the Old War." something that is artificial made cant really be god and they were originally made as terraforming tools, in fact you would think that those who made them would be the god, well atleast for them and those were the orokin who made them. And i doubt orokin are god.

[DroopingPuppy]

1 minute ago, Itsmez said:

Well theyre as mutch of gods as i can say i am a god. As wiki states "The Sentients are an artificial race from the Tau System that were the chief enemies of the Orokin during the Old War." something that is artificial made cant really be god and they were originally made as terraforming tools, in fact you would think that those who made them would be the god, well atleast for them and those were the orokin who made them. And i doubt orokin are god.

As I said above, 'is it a real god or not' is not related with the topic. The world of Warframe does not have the concept of the godhood in the first place.

Nonetheless, I don't think that Sentients are considered as the gods. Perhaps some entity among them are considered as the gods in their own society, but we can't sure about this for we don't know their society(if exists).

[Itsmez]

4 minutes ago, DroopingPuppy said:

As I said above, 'is it a real god or not' is not related with the topic. The world of Warframe does not have the concept of the godhood in the first place.

Nonetheless, I don't think that Sentients are considered as the gods. Perhaps some entity among them are considered as the gods in their own society, but we can't sure about this for we don't know their society(if exists).

Yes, but im referring to the topic "Are we god killers now" and in my opinion its no. I think we as the tenno are more like gods than the sentinents

[DroopingPuppy]

Yeah, apart the man in the Wall, Orokins and Tennos are the most mysterious and supernatural being in the world, so I do think that they are close to the 'god'. At least they are far closer than the Sentients.

[Mints]

No my friend. We are the gods.