(XBOX)Erudite Prime Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) They aren't achievement based. Owning one doesn't mean you've accomplished anything special. There's no prestige to having any. They're just another cosmetic. Please just let us buy them with plat. It doesn't even have to include all of them, maybe the Kuva Lich ones can remain exclusive to Liches, since Liches are special and you can trade them anyway. You'd make more money, and we'd be happier. Edited January 9, 2020 by (XB1)Erudite Prime 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkampf Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I legitimatly agree to this. I think it's fine if you can decide wheher you want to spend time to grind for them, or if you decide to spend money to get these cosmetics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenortirie Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, (XB1)Erudite Prime said: maybe the Kuva Lich ones can remain exclusive to Liches. this is ironic considering how vengeful ephemeras are the only ones that can be somewhat traded atm.... (by trading the lich having one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) Personally I'd prefer them to just increase the chance (a LOT) for an ephemera..... I haven't seen a kuva one yet and there are people saying they've done 30+ to get one ephemera and there is no way I'm doing that. In all honesty outside of the given away or nightwave ones I've literally had 2 (ice and stalker) drop.... I don't agree with paying for something when it's purely down to a decision that DE made that is causing it be excessively hard to get unless we luck out with the rng, we didn't chose the drop chance they did and they're the ones that gave the ephemera stupidly low drop chances. Edited January 9, 2020 by LSG501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nez-Kal Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 AREN'T Achievement based?! I'll have you know I EARNED my Stalker Smoking Body Ephemera when I loaded into that Kuva Siphon mission with that one other Player, his Stalker hunted him down, and just so happened to drop the Ephemera on my first meeting with him since the thing was introduced (And that player's 11th meeting with him as he desperately farmed him all week). If THAT'S not true Warframe Achievement, I don't know what is!!! .........Sarcastic rant over, the drops are terrible, and I bumbled my way into one of the harder ones to farm for. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivaMain Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) I’ve done a dozens Sentient Ship runs since release and I still haven’t seen a single reinforced sentient container (the one that contain the elusive Tenebreous Ephemera). Out of all ephemera grinds out there, Tenebreous Ephemera is probably the worst. Edited January 9, 2020 by DrivaMain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPrime96 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, slotschii said: i mean it at least has a 2% chance... flaming step has a 1.01% chance (in zone 8 only of ESO) 30 Mins per 2.5 Hours with a really low chance to find the right crate + more RNG to get the Ephemera and not something like Umbra Forma vs. 1.01% in every 20 Mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro3Display Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 and here we are at the point where "mtx bad" but "let us buy the stuff we cant be arsed to farm" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivaMain Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, slotschii said: i mean it at least has a 2% chance... flaming step has a 1.01% chance (in zone 8 only of ESO) 2% chance from the crate. Sub 1% chance for that said crate to spawn and the mission is currently time gated. Still far worse than blazing step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES-Flinter Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Instead of buying in the market I would like it more, if the epherma would be a reward for some crazy challenges. Maybe destroy all enemies in less than a minute to get the sentient epherma. (Solo, because public would be to easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivaMain Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ES-Flinter said: Instead of buying in the market I would like it more, if the epherma would be a reward for some crazy challenges. Maybe destroy all enemies in less than a minute to get the sentient epherma. (Solo, because public would be to easy. A very long goal would suffice, like kill 10.000 Sentients or Complete 1000 Sentient missions. Because it’s easy to cheese riven like challenges nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES-Flinter Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 vor 2 Minuten schrieb DrivaMain: A very long goal would suffice, like kill 10.000 Sentients or Complete 1000 Sentient missions. Because it’s easy to cheese riven like challenges nowadays. Or defeat 1000 sentient in a row without any pizzas. And every sentient is one level stronger than the one before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Legacy---- Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Make Teshin sell all of them at 100K standing as an alternative method of acquisiton, that way players can choose between RNG or a progression based system. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 40 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said: Make Teshin sell all of them at 100K standing as an alternative method of acquisiton, that way players can choose between RNG or a progression based system. I'd rather put up with the current rng than be forced into doing conclave for something..... conclave has too many issues to make it worth playing to get an ephemera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Legacy---- Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, LSG501 said: I'd rather put up with the current rng than be forced into doing conclave for something..... conclave has too many issues to make it worth playing to get an ephemera. So? The choice would still be there for those willing to go against that. There is nothing wrong with adding more ways to get ephemeras and if it encourages more people to play it then DE might look into fixing those issues sooner than if they keep doing absolutely nothing about it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, (XB1)Erudite Prime said: They aren't achievement based. Owning one doesn't mean you've accomplished anything special. There's no prestige to having any. They're just another cosmetic. Please just let us buy them with plat. It doesn't even have to include all of them, maybe the Kuva Lich ones can remain exclusive to Liches, since Liches are special and you can trade them anyway. You'd make more money, and we'd be happier. 3 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said: There is nothing wrong with adding more ways to get ephemeras 100% unequivocally absolutely yes. That said if anything the BP for the ephemera need to be tradable at the vary minimum. Edited January 9, 2020 by (XB1)MandlorPrime 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ----Legacy---- said: Make Teshin sell all of them at 100K standing Give Palidino, and all the syndicates a few as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Legacy---- Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, (XB1)MandlorPrime said: Give Palidino, and all the syndicates a few as well. There's a lot of ephemeras already and we can be sure there are more in the way, it would be neat to see them either split across all of the syndicates (without forgetting about the pvp one like has been the mechanic in the last couple of years) or letting each syndicate get its own somehow. With that out of the way, the reason why i mentioned only conclave is because all of the other syndicates have a lot of rewards that are not only cosmetic but also stuff that's useful in PvE (syndicate weapons, palladino sells riven mods, Onkko and Little Duck sell operator improvements) while Teshin has mainly cosmetic stuff, the 3 starter frames and relics while he has been denied of other stuff like a syndicate weapon for years (fwiw, zylok's name in the game files is literally ConclaveLeverPistol but because of the community's outcries against pvp offering any sort of mastery it ended as the reward for the relay reconstruction event and now is part of Baro's rotation), so it would make sense to at least add more cosmetic stuff in there to give it something without breaking this awfully dumb statu quo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ----Legacy---- said: So? The choice would still be there for those willing to go against that. There is nothing wrong with adding more ways to get ephemeras and if it encourages more people to play it then DE might look into fixing those issues sooner than if they keep doing absolutely nothing about it. LOL.. you think trying to get 'new players' into conclave would encourage DE to fix the issues...no you got that the wrong way round, the only way to get people to play conclave is to fix the issues first and well DE haven't exactly shown any interest in that have they.... Lets just be honest here, the only people that would benefit from your idea is the 'experienced players' who knows how to rig the matchmaking in conclave so they get stuck with newbies.... funny that. What needs to happen with ephemera is for them to get an across the board buff to their drop rates, not just shove them into one of if not the most unpopular part of the game... Edited January 9, 2020 by LSG501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyreaus Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, LSG501 said: the only way to get people to play conclave is to fix the issues first and well DE haven't exactly shown any interest in that have they.... You're both right about this, you know. It's cyclical: DE doesn't put effort into something unpopular because they don't want to waste their time (as any reasonable person / developer would), people don't want to play because DE doesn't put in the effort. I don't think putting ephemeras into Conclave would be enough to break that cycle, but there's a rationale behind the idea. OTT: Agreed that the drop rates should be improved, especially if they're not purchasable. What's the point of making that content so much more difficult to acquire? Really, if they want to make something that difficult to acquire, something progression-based rather than RNG-based would be ideal. Something akin to the Hema grind* would probably fit better than absurdly low drop chances. At minimum, the developers get a better idea how long that content would take. But even then, if there's no monetization behind it, what's the benefit behind making it so absurdly painstaking and random to get? Basing it on a dice roll doesn't even reliably pad out the content: someone could get lucky and get the ephemera they want on their first try. *Ideally with multiple resources and build parts, like many other things in Warframe that take time to acquire, so that there's a stronger sense of progression beyond watching one number tick up every couple of missions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated_Beast Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, (XB1)Erudite Prime said: They aren't achievement based. Owning one doesn't mean you've accomplished anything special. There's no prestige to having any. They're just another cosmetic. Please just let us buy them with plat. It doesn't even have to include all of them, maybe the Kuva Lich ones can remain exclusive to Liches, since Liches are special and you can trade them anyway. You'd make more money, and we'd be happier. How about we just overhaul the entire system? Remove them as random drops and start giving them to players for achievements. You know, those achievements that pop-up and appear on profile as completed. Why not add more difficult achievements and give out the fancy emphermas for completing those. Anyone that already has it, gets to keep it. They can still stay on lich because those are tradable. Everything else can be removed from drop tables (so it's not polluting the drop tables) and incentivize players to perform achievements instead. For example, the find 30 caves on Venus and ride k-drives for 3 billion miles, I just gave up on those. Why kill myself trying to accomplish something that is not rewarded and not fun? Now if they awarded the ice empherma for accomplishing X, instead of a random spider kill drop (I've killed probably x10 more than most players and gave up), I'd bite the bullet and complete it. What sucks is, we already have a system perfect for this, we already have a ton of "challenges" with no rewards, and the code already exists without significant development time. The sad fact is that DE is moving to an all random system instead based on the Skinner box mobile game addict versus fun philosophy. I just cannot imagine the creative guys at DE not proposing this, but some jerk saying no, that's not what the gaming psychologists say to do... Welcome to WarCasino. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Riophilip Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Yes. But I think bought with platinum, just like every other cosmetic and bc/ it gets DE more money. (Which is the end goal) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated_Beast Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, (XB1)Erudite Prime said: They aren't achievement based. Owning one doesn't mean you've accomplished anything special. There's no prestige to having any. They're just another cosmetic. Please just let us buy them with plat. It doesn't even have to include all of them, maybe the Kuva Lich ones can remain exclusive to Liches, since Liches are special and you can trade them anyway. You'd make more money, and we'd be happier. How about we just overhaul the entire system? Remove them as random drops and start giving them to players for achievements. You know, those achievements that pop-up and appear on profile as completed. Why not add more difficult achievements and give out the fancy emphermas for completing those. Anyone that already has it, gets to keep it. They can still stay on lich because those are tradable. Everything else can be removed from drop tables (so it's not polluting the drop tables) and incentivize players to perform achievements instead. For example, the find 30 caves on Venus and ride k-drives for 3 billion miles, I just gave up on those. Why kill myself trying to accomplish something that is not rewarded and not fun? Now if they awarded the ice empherma for accomplishing X, instead of a random spider kill drop (I've killed probably x10 more than most players and gave up), I'd bite the bullet and complete it. What sucks is, we already have a system perfect for this, we already have a ton of "challenges" with no rewards, and the code already exists without significant development time. The sad fact is that DE is moving to an all random system instead based on the Skinner box mobile game addict versus fun philosophy. I just cannot imagine the creative guys at DE not proposing this, but some jerk saying no, that's not what the gaming psychologists say to do... Welcome to WarCasino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated_Beast Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, (NSW)Riophilip said: Yes. But I think bought with platinum, just like every other cosmetic and bc/ it gets DE more money. (Which is the end goal) Ok, the achievement system (above) could unlock it in the market. Now you have something tangible that can be earned and bought. Some of the low ones can be given away, others sold for plat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Legacy---- Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, LSG501 said: LOL.. you think trying to get 'new players' into conclave would encourage DE to fix the issues...no you got that the wrong way round, the only way to get people to play conclave is to fix the issues first and well DE haven't exactly shown any interest in that have they.... That's a catch 22 where someone has to break the cycle for things to start happening, and since a big part of the community seems to think like you do then it's up to DE to figure out a way to break it. Putting new stuff in there would be a quick low effort way to encourage people to play conclave, and even tough fixing the issues would be a way better move, this is a community driven only by loot so that would not be enough on its own as has been proved over time. About their interest in fixing conclave, they just fixed 2 minor issues of it in today's hotfix several minutes ago. 1 hour ago, LSG501 said: Lets just be honest here, the only people that would benefit from your idea is the 'experienced players' who knows how to rig the matchmaking in conclave so they get stuck with newbies.... funny that. Anyone could jump in there and get the rewards, more people playing means less chances of coming across an experienced player, and the reason for it to be a typhoon reward is to encourage RC stompers to get out of the newbies pool since DE hasn't added a way to force them out of it despite being a request from when RC was just implemented. 1 hour ago, LSG501 said: rig the matchmaking That's a new one, care to elaborate on its meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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