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*EDIT* A lot of people are responding to this thread with the wrong understanding. I know that rolls cannot go lower than previous rolls. The idea is that all zetki reactors and lavan reactors, regardless of how good or bad they were, are being rerolled, with the potential of being the lowest possible roll in the new stat range.

I know you guys are rerolling reactors due to feedback, and I think this is a great idea, for the most part. Avionics capacity having less variance is a healthy change for the game, there is no doubt in my mind about that.

My problem lies in the fact that I have 2 70 capacity lavan reactors and 2 50 capacity zetki reactors that I built, and i painstakingly farmed the asterite/titanium/whatever else for, not to mention grinded against all odds to get these reactor rolls. Now your proposal to reroll all reactors with lower than their new capacity range, ie zetki goes from 10-50 to like, 60-70? Meaning my zetki reactors are going to be rerolled automatically, and with a small understanding of probability and statistics, i think it's safe to assume they will not end up being maxed out rolls.

I did your farm DE. I did the evil, grindy, RNG based farm and I finished it. I grinded the crap out of it over my holiday. Please do not invalidate the hard work I put in by rerolling my reactors into a potential garbage tier. I will then have to melt my reactors, and do the farm all over again. If you do this you are punishing the players who played early and climbed the ridiculously high mountain that you set when you decided the grind was to be this way. You are telling players never to play your content on release because you will just have your time invalidated and thrown away.

I know you at DE don't really take solutions from players but I would recommend increasing the reactor capacity by their respective %. Ie 10-50 -> 60-70. A 12 reactor would be a 60 roll, a 30 reactor would be a 65 roll, and a 50 reactor would be a 70 roll. I think this is more respectful of the time spent, even for those with Vidar reactor rolls in the high 90's, they would be translated to perfect 100's. This way you are not invalidating the grind (or luck) that some players did experience by playing your content early. Otherwise you are setting everyone back to zero on their lavan and zetki reactors.

Now i will admit @[DE]Rebecca's post was not super clear on how this was handled, and if I'm misunderstanding I apologize, but I don't think that I am.

It would be unwise to punish players for playing your content early.

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21 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

This is a broad post that touches on something that appears throughout the 40 pages here. Simplified sentiment:  'Avionics Capacity limitations are too punishing'. This week's Hotfix will speak specifically to that with global buffs for all Reactor types found in the wild. Any existing gear you have will simply be re-rolled for Avionics capacity, which will automatically be a buff in all cases (note: the Vidar III which has just compressed its top-end entirely to not have the 30-100 range, it's now 90-100, but it will not give you lower rolls if you had one in the 90-100 range before this change). 

The coming number changes:

- Lavan Reactor Mk I: Avionic Capacity now 20 to 30 (from 10 to 20)
- Lavan Reactor Mk II: Avionic Capacity now 50 to 60 (from 10 to 40)
- Lavan Reactor Mk III: Avionic Capacity now 80 to 90 (from 20 to 70)
- Vidar Reactor Mk I: Avionic Capacity now 30 to 40 (from 10 to 25)
- Vidar Reactor Mk II: Avionic Capacity now 60 to 70 (from 20 to 50)
- Vidar Reactor Mk III: Avionic Capacity now 90 to 100 (from 30 to 100)
- Zetki Reactor Mk I: Avionic Capacity now 10 to 20 (from 5 to 10)
- Zetki Reactor Mk II: Avionic Capacity now 40 to 50 (from 5 to 30)
- Zetki Reactor Mk III: Avionic Capacity now 70 to 80 (from 10 to 50)

Just dropping this note here so folks are prepared for this specific change as we work on more major fixes and changes! 

All the limits are ABOVE what we have now. And now you worry about "garbage tier", a difference of 10 points... You know what? Forget I said anything. If its not in the very maximum, we burn down their servers with DDoS.

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so you're saying that you don't want a straight upgrade to both of your reactors?

you got the god rolls of both with 70 and 50 respectively that's all fine but with the new system they will at the very least be 80 and 60 AKA you get a minimum of 10 extra capacity on both.
How is that  a bad thing exactly?

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Everything it's rolled better....
- Lavan Reactor Mk I: Avionic Capacity now 20 to 30 (from 10 to 20)
- Lavan Reactor Mk II: Avionic Capacity now 50 to 60 (from 10 to 40)
- Lavan Reactor Mk III: Avionic Capacity now 80 to 90 (from 20 to 70)
- Vidar Reactor Mk I: Avionic Capacity now 30 to 40 (from 10 to 25)
- Vidar Reactor Mk II: Avionic Capacity now 60 to 70 (from 20 to 50)
- Vidar Reactor Mk III: Avionic Capacity now 90 to 100 (from 30 to 100)
- Zetki Reactor Mk I: Avionic Capacity now 10 to 20 (from 5 to 10)
- Zetki Reactor Mk II: Avionic Capacity now 40 to 50 (from 5 to 30)
- Zetki Reactor Mk III: Avionic Capacity now 70 to 80 (from 10 to 50)

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2 minutes ago, Baterial said:

well i have 97 avionics roll on my reactor and wonder if i will have to farm for another ones because it was rolled for worse stats or what

No, you will get a new roll and if it is higher than 97, it will take that one, otherwise it will keep 97.

2 minutes ago, (PS4)Loki1211 said:

In a reply to a tweet, @[DE]Rebeccasaid you won't get a lower stats.

 

You are misunderstanding. All Zetki and Lavan reactors automatically have lower rolls than their new stat ranges. So they will be rerolled no matter what, which means you could end up with the bottom end of the new paradigm.

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Just now, Baterial said:

well i have 97 avionics roll on my reactor and wonder if i will have to farm for another ones because it was rolled for worse stats or what

The minimun you will get 97 then. Maybe you might get 99 just to make you pull your hair because its not 100.

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Just now, EDM774 said:

so you're saying that you don't want a straight upgrade to both of your reactors?

you got the god rolls of both with 70 and 50 respectively that's all fine but with the new system they will at the very least be 80 and 60 AKA you get a minimum of 10 extra capacity on both.
How is that  a bad thing exactly?

I already have maxed zetki and lavan reactors. I don't want to regrind perfect rolls, i want them translated to the higher capacity values, 70 and 80 respectively.

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Just now, Skaleek said:

I already have maxed zetki and lavan reactors. I don't want to regrind perfect rolls, i want them translated to the higher capacity values, 70 and 80 respectively.

you're getting an upgrade either way. besides I'd understand all this min maxing stuff if we were talking about vidar Mk3s but for the 2 inferior classes of that?  I don't get it.

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2 minutes ago, Kaotyke said:

All the limits are ABOVE what we have now. And now you worry about "garbage tier", a difference of 10 points... You know what? Forget I said anything. If its not in the very maximum, we burn down their servers with DDoS.

I worked hard to get my lavan and zetki reactors at maximum capacity. I don't want to do it again, I think it's a fair request.

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1 minute ago, Skaleek said:

You are misunderstanding. All Zetki and Lavan reactors will automatically have lower rolls than their new stat ranges.

So I can still get a 46 MK3 Zekti reactor even though the lowest minimun is 70?

Where was that said exactly?

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Just now, Kaotyke said:

So I can still get a 46 MK3 Zekti reactor even though the lowest minimun is 70?

Where was that said exactly?

No, you can get a 46 zetki reactor and it will be rerolled regardless. Once it is rerolled it could end up being a 60 roll being the lowest possible roll in the new paradigm. I already did my rolling and farmed until i got max rolls. I dont want to do it again.

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5 minutes ago, EDM774 said:

so you're saying that you don't want a straight upgrade to both of your reactors?

you got the god rolls of both with 70 and 50 respectively that's all fine but with the new system they will at the very least be 80 and 60 AKA you get a minimum of 10 extra capacity on both.
How is that  a bad thing exactly?

I'm saying i got max rolls and I don't want to regrind max rolls. I don't want to go through their casino a second time. I want my perfect rolls translated to the maximum capacity under the new paradigm.

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3 minutes ago, Skaleek said:

I already have maxed zetki and lavan reactors. I don't want to regrind perfect rolls, i want them translated to the higher capacity values, 70 and 80 respectively.

Yeah. I understood perfectly.

Have fun out there.

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Just now, (XB1)aMichealMeyers said:

Huh. I had a 49/50 Zekti reactor. The new values are now 70 to 80?

What will happen to that Zekti reactor? Will it still have nearly the best values, like 78/80 or 79/80? Or will it become crap 70/80? 

Your new zetki reactor will roll randomly. It may come out with the lowest value, it may come out with the highest. I would prefer it be proportionate.

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2 minutes ago, Firetempest said:

Ok, I get it. He rolled perfect old numbers. They want perfect new numbers as compensation.

Not sure how I feel about this one. 

Kinda baby entitled. Kinda fair.

I worked hard for it. And I don't want to do their casino rolling again. Otherwise they are telling me not to play their content early because they will just invalidate my hard work a few weeks later. I value my time, I dont want to repeat the grind.

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Just now, Skaleek said:

Your new zetki reactor will roll randomly. It may come out with the lowest value, it may come out with the highest. I would prefer it be proportionate.

Wack. It also had +240 flux, which I'm guessing is the max? Will that get rerolled too? I think I had almost perfect roll Zekti, if +240 flux is the max. 

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