Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) As a Warframe vet of 6 years now I have something I want to suggest. No I do not mean "I am a vet and by default correct in everything I say." What I mean is that it is just something I have noticed would be a very advantageous feature. An observation.Basically: The ability to transfer work you put into base frames to the primed version of the frame. Allow me to illustrate. I got Wisp asap on release and put an aura, umbra, and a few base forma into her. Something I realized though, like I knew this already but, when her Prime comes out. I am going to have to level the frame again. Now I understand that this fact is not hidden; DE use it as "free" content. However, The issue this causes is, like with Wisp for instance, the only reason I bother putting much effort into most frames is because I am really hyped for them. With Grendel, I liked him a lot, he was a neat concept, but not enough to bother formaing him at all just because I do not know if I would like/play him enough to even bother putting in two (a good number of frames can be decent with just two forma, not sure if this applies to Grendel too actually; not the point though.) knowing that it would be wasted. Imagine if you could opt to use a current base frame to significantly reduce the amount of time and money it would take to build a prime frame. That way base frames do not just end up in the waste bin after you went through all that effort, which feels really bad btw. When you do this, all the forma and potatoes remain as well as all that time and effort. TL;DR Things get wasted currently when transferring from a base warframe > a primed version 1. Forma 2. Potatoes 3.Time/effort 4. Resources 5.Credits (technically a resource, but worth mentioning separately) 6. Sanity Making it all transferable, however would: 1. Add a sense of progression 2. Motivate people to get more hyped about new Warframes (currently there are, at least personally, reservations with new frames because of that inevitable prime variant factor) 3. Motivate people to get more hyped about new primed frames (because starting over from scratch would not be a concern) 4. Help prevent burnout Edited January 23, 2020 by Wyvern_WX-0-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterc3 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: 2. Motivate people to get more hyped about new Warframes (currently there are, at least personally, reservations with new frames because of that inevitable prime variant factor) This is a non-factor to most people. The time between a new frame and its Prime is years. If this is such a huge wall, then you have to realize that it's mostly cosmetic. There's nothing preventing you from playing the game with a non Prime when it has its Prime released. 45 mins of your life to Forma a new Prime and use your stockpiled UForma and potatoes is trivial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Wouldn't mind this. And IMO prime items (unless purchased) should be locked behind mastering their regular counterparts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluih Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 The Umbra forma is the real problem here. Normal forma I can deal with. Potatoes aren't a problem anyway or at least shouldn't be if you played long enough to see a warframe released and then its prime later on. Aura forma, exilus adapters (especially the one for the weapons) and so on can get annoying. Generally the time it takes to get the resources and level a frame are just part of the game to me. Leveling could be improved, because the low range and duration on a lot of abilities make them pretty useless during leveling. I would even be happy, if you could use a forma to remove one of the more expensive things you put in like the umbra forma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, peterc3 said: This is a non-factor to most people. The time between a new frame and its Prime is years. If this is such a huge wall, then you have to realize that it's mostly cosmetic. There's nothing preventing you from playing the game with a non Prime when it has its Prime released. 45 mins of your life to Forma a new Prime and use your stockpiled UForma and potatoes is trivial. First iirc its only about a year and a half to two years for a prime and second in what world does it take anyone (even with a booster) 45 minutes to forma a warframe. Lol idk about you but I generally put four to five in a warframe If I am going to bother at all, not just two. Edit: In other words it takes a lot more than 45 minutes, and that is not even including the fact you have to acquire the forma first Edited January 23, 2020 by Wyvern_WX-0-1 Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluih Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xaero said: And IMO prime items (unless purchased) should be locked behind mastering their regular counterparts. That would just unnecessarily restrict newer players from enjoying the new stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, gluih said: The Umbra forma is the real problem here. Normal forma I can deal with. Potatoes aren't a problem anyway or at least shouldn't be if you played long enough to see a warframe released and then its prime later on. Aura forma, exilus adapters (especially the one for the weapons) and so on can get annoying. Generally the time it takes to get the resources and level a frame are just part of the game to me. Leveling could be improved, because the low range and duration on a lot of abilities make them pretty useless during leveling. I would even be happy, if you could use a forma to remove one of the more expensive things you put in like the umbra forma. I mean my point is not that it is necessarily game breaking, I agree, my point is that why would you not do it? Like it just makes sense, it saves some work and headache, and would not be that hard really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluih Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: one iirc its only about a year and a half to two years for a prime and second in what world does it take anyone (even with a booster) 45 minutes to forma a warframe. Lol idk about you but I generally put four to five in a warframe If I am going to bother at all, not just two. It's pretty long until a frame becomes prime. They are just now getting close to the stuff from 2016. Prime frames usually require a bit less forma, of course it depends on the build. If you really want to, you can forma warframe like that, especially when you have someone helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterc3 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: one iirc its only about a year and a half to two years for a prime During which time you will accumulate a huge pile of the things you think are scarce. Forma are thrown at you. UForma are "farmable". Potatoes are handed out. 4 minutes ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: in what world does it take anyone (even with a booster) 45 minutes to forma a warframe. Primes have more built in polarities and it takes no time whatsoever to take a frame from 0 to 30. A handful of times at the Affinity farm du jour and your frame is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluih Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: I mean my point is not that it is necessarily game breaking, I agree, my point is that why would you not do it? Like it just makes sense, it saves some work and headache, and would not be that hard really. I mean the assumption is, that playing the game is fun, right? That's why I said, the leveling process could be improved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone_Dude Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 And by doing this you'll reduce sales of forma packs, affinity boosters, potatoes and exilus adapters. Not everyone farms those. It's basically a way for devs to reduce the amount of free plat on the market. It'll also reduce play time which can also be used to motivate player spending. Monotonous grind is boring and all, but you shouldn't underestimate spending impulses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, peterc3 said: During which time you will accumulate a huge pile of the things you think are scarce. Forma are thrown at you. UForma are "farmable". Potatoes are handed out. Primes have more built in polarities and it takes no time whatsoever to take a frame from 0 to 30. A handful of times at the Affinity farm du jour and your frame is ready. 1. You lied, I did not say they are scarce. Do not put words in my mouth. 2. Forma take time to build and you have to farm them, they are not "thrown at you". 3. U forma are in fact not farmable. They are locked behind nightwave at the moment. 4. The point was not to complain about the grind, stop saying that. The issue is that you waste time, I do not mind grinding if there is a point. Yes I get to play the warframe, but when I junk it for the primed variant, I have just wasted that time and effort. There is no progression in that and it feels bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, gluih said: It's pretty long until a frame becomes prime. They are just now getting close to the stuff from 2016. Prime frames usually require a bit less forma, of course it depends on the build. If you really want to, you can forma warframe like that, especially when you have someone helping. double checked and its about 3 and a half years to 4 depending. So u right I suppose, but my point still stands that with my Wisp I can not help but feel bad putting all that effort into getting it set up to know that it is just going to get junked. I am still going to do it because I want to play the frame, but it is bad game design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone_Dude Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: 3. U forma are in fact not farmable. They are locked behind nightwave at the moment. Was umbral forma removed from railjack drops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lone_Dude said: And by doing this you'll reduce sales of forma packs, affinity boosters, potatoes and exilus adapters. Not everyone farms those. It's basically a way for devs to reduce the amount of free plat on the market. It'll also reduce play time which can also be used to motivate player spending. Monotonous grind is boring and all, but you shouldn't underestimate spending impulses. I agree that what you say is how DE thinks, but that is bad logic to think that way. You are sacrificing a part your game for money when you do not need to do that. You could make the game better and have a more creative way to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horned_Fox Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Lone_Dude said: Was umbral forma removed from railjack drops? TBH I did not know it was ever in the drop table, but if I had to guess it is so rare it isnt farmable so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone_Dude Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: I agree that what you say is how DE thinks, but that is bad logic to think that way. You are sacrificing a part your game for money when you do not need to do that. You could make the game better and have a more creative way to make money. It's not bad logic because it works. It's only bad when pushed too far because people realize they're being exploited. Your idea is not creative, frankly, it's a copy-paste of an already existing mechanic - valence transfer, that was only created to offset extreme grindfest that are kuva liches. 15 minutes ago, Wyvern_WX-0-1 said: TBH I did not know it was ever in the drop table, but if I had to guess it is so rare it isnt farmable so. While I do agree that Umbral Forma drop chances are rather low, it doesn't make it "non-farmable". You simply didn't bother to check and were wrong, no need to squirm around after you admit it. Actual TL;DR of your post is "I'm a vet player and I cant be bothered to spend time and shinies that I have because game got stale for me, so please add valence transfer for everything because I'm afraid to jam umbral forma in my wisp since I didn't know that I could farm it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yxivi Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) I kinda sorta agree, sometimes I don't even wanna use potato and forma on a frame/weapon because I'd rather wait for its prime before using those resources. However, some good points from the comments here, that by the time the prime comes out, you probably have enough of those resources again. But I still kinda feel bad about the wasted stuff I've put on a non-primed item. Now how about instead of transferring everything fully (which is a bit too much to ask), we can choose to "recycle" items. Recycling a frame/weapon will give you blueprints of formas, exilus adapter and catalysts/reactors you used on the item. It doesn't hand over things to us 100% coz we still gotta craft those again (and some plat might be used for rushing build time). Recycling will only be allowed on items that have forma, exilus adapter or catalyst/reactor installed on them. Edited January 23, 2020 by Yxivi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divi_india Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Not really necessary if u look at your formas as an investment. By the time you get prime for wisp you would have potentially earned more formas/reactors with wisp than you spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)DarkForceLegend Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Mmm... I wouldn't mind if there was a system that you could extract your Umbral mod(s) and destroying the Frame, maybe aura formas too, but I can deal with the loss of all the other stuff seeing that it's just part of the game. I have yet to attempt to grind for Umbral forma seeing as Railjack is a little on the buggy side. I'll give it more time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frendh Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I do not play regular warframes because it feels like a waste developing something I will later replace. But I do not see that as a reason to change how the system works now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 This will never happen. Needing all the forma, reactors, and exilus adapters makes people spend plat and that's how DE makes money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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