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I think I'd like to state the fact that no matter how much I criticize this game, it will still be one of the best games that I have ever played.

 

I've been holding off on this type of discussion mostly based on the fact that I have my own mental health issues that needed to be dealt with. But regarding my experience in warframe I believe I caused my self to get too attached to this game as a whole and as a result my mental health  suffered.

While it is easy to say just take a break, it is much harder to be done. I play games like warframe for the sense of fun and achievement that other games I play cannot deliver upon. Grinding for certain rewards it goals (like my 100 forma goal) was something that I was proud of. But after that, there was a sense of hollowness.I felt empty, and I didnt know why. But I did find the reason why, I started to treat warframe like a job, a very painful eye straining job, and I started to hate it. 

I hated the fact that i was getting upset at a game that i love. 

But after doing some selfreflection,  I understood why I was not happy and still not. I feel like I could say the same for alot of people aswell. That feeling in the veterans, the casuals, the newbies, it feels like everything your doing goes to water in the end. I do not speak for everyone In the community as I am not a mind reader, but i do understand the pain that alot of players go through silently. 

That frustration and unrestrained anger, that urge to yell at the devs and spew all of the words coming out of your brain. I dont believe anyone in this community is really stupid, whiny, whiteknighty, etc. But I feel as if we have lost that sense of understanding and use of perspective that has poisoned the good will we had. 

And no the developers are not innocent either. They have dont things that made player reaction well warranted, but I feel as if they have tried to appeal to those who can keep their lights on. I understand the things they do, but other times I dont. But honestly I feel as if the hatred and anger we have in our selves have risen to a point where we can't have simple disagreements or arguments as I have seen. Everyone is always quick to write a snarky remark on a post written by someone who probably wanted to say something( and I am just as guilty of doing this) but at times it's as if we lost that thought of what was op thinking and how will this thing I said affect them? 

TLDR: overall I feel as if my experience in this game wa sve8ng tainted by my own self destruction and I feel like others dont realize that as well.

I'm afraid of how this post will turn out but I just felt like saying something off my mind.

But anyways be kind to each other,  play on, till we all lift together or something. 

 

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15 minutes ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Originally it did affect me negatively, but luckily I was able to sort out my own issues.

Glad to hear it, just don't let it get to you again.

And please don't take my comment too personally. What I meant by it was that people here are not qualified to help you.

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Personally  I don't find issues within my own self destruction rather than DE'S failure to deliver on many marks imo. Especially playing on console sometimes I just feel flat out that they don't care. I feel like they are too mature in terms of game development and have had this ip going for so long that things like time management issues and management issue as a whole shouldn't be as frequent. They've adopted DElays as a meme instead of working on ways to stop it and meet deadlines not just for players sake but for terms of better management for their game. While I respect their ambitious actions and don't dislike everything they do and quite often defend them if I feel is necessary. I also feel like as a consumer they don't respect my time invested in the game and that makes me very very very disappointed and feel some type of way about them. I feel like DE has been managing the community for a long enough period to know what needs to be done as well. Those are just my personal gripes though 

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24 minutes ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

I think I'd like to state the fact that no matter how much I criticize this game, it will still be one of the best games that I have ever played.

Just this line here summarize it all, a lot of people don't understand why we criticize the game or why we disagree with DE, Its not bcs we hate warframe, I personally still think this game is the only game that hooked me up last decade, I've been playing video games since the PS2 era, I even followed Dark sector news back in 2005 I was excited to play that game, nobody literally knew it will be something in the future, and here I'm in 2020 I still remember myself surfing the net on my Pentium 4 reading gaming news about dark sector (no i'm not listening to Lo-Fi music while typing this) .....

what I want to say is, no matter how criticize warframe it will stay the best free to play game that is currently available for anyone who just want to play a game...

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Warframe is a great game. I don't know why ppl are so mad these days. 

Yes, the last update was rushed, but next week everything will be fine.

Calm down, have fun. You don't need rewards or new loot to enjoy.

Help someone on the chat, give away some plats. 

Charity is the only way for salvation!

Tenno, Wake up!

 

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2 minutes ago, (PS4)Navalhabr said:

Warframe is a great game. I don't know why ppl are so mad these days. 

Yes, the last update was rushed, but next week everything will be fine.

Calm down, have fun. You don't need rewards or new loot to enjoy.

Help someone on the chat, give away some plats. 

Charity is the only way for salvation!

Tenno, Wake up!

 

It's not as simple as that, as many people want different things from warframe as a whole. But I do agree that at times we do need to just chill put and relax.

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vor 59 Minuten schrieb (PS4)ChaosTheNerd:

And no the developers are not innocent either.

Yes and no.

Yes because Warframe is build around the perfect cycle of dopamine infused fast gameplay plus operand conditioning (skinner box) of random drops. It is built that way on purpose.

No because they tell you when you played longer than one hour. And they do not force you to play a free game. 

If you are susceptible to addiction then Warframe might get you hooked in the wrong way no matter if a small text tells the amount of time you already spend on it. But if you play a game although you do not want tot play the game than you need help and should put the game down. 

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Upon reading the title, I thought you were going to rant about Nyx, or something leaving an opening to joke about her or another mind control warframe.

 

Glad you were able to not just notice and take care of your problems outside of the game to keep the game from becoming the center of your life. 

And remember, while others do have problems, only you can talk about, work on, and solve yours. And, more often than not, it involves other people's help. 

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1 minute ago, Sunai_Moonswing said:

Upon reading the title, I thought you were going to rant about Nyx, or something leaving an opening to joke about her or another mind control warframe.

 

Glad you were able to not just notice and take care of your problems outside of the game to keep the game from becoming the center of your life. 

And remember, while others do have problems, only you can talk about, work on, and solve yours. And, more often than not, it involves other people's help. 

Took a while to learn that hut I'm glad it worked, thank you!

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2 hours ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

I think I'd like to state the fact that no matter how much I criticize this game, it will still be one of the best games that I have ever played.

 

I've been holding off on this type of discussion mostly based on the fact that I have my own mental health issues that needed to be dealt with. But regarding my experience in warframe I believe I caused my self to get too attached to this game as a whole and as a result my mental health  suffered.

While it is easy to say just take a break, it is much harder to be done. I play games like warframe for the sense of fun and achievement that other games I play cannot deliver upon. Grinding for certain rewards it goals (like my 100 forma goal) was something that I was proud of. But after that, there was a sense of hollowness.I felt empty, and I didnt know why. But I did find the reason why, I started to treat warframe like a job, a very painful eye straining job, and I started to hate it. 

I hated the fact that i was getting upset at a game that i love. 

But after doing some selfreflection,  I understood why I was not happy and still not. I feel like I could say the same for alot of people aswell. That feeling in the veterans, the casuals, the newbies, it feels like everything your doing goes to water in the end. I do not speak for everyone In the community as I am not a mind reader, but i do understand the pain that alot of players go through silently. 

That frustration and unrestrained anger, that urge to yell at the devs and spew all of the words coming out of your brain. I dont believe anyone in this community is really stupid, whiny, whiteknighty, etc. But I feel as if we have lost that sense of understanding and use of perspective that has poisoned the good will we had. 

And no the developers are not innocent either. They have dont things that made player reaction well warranted, but I feel as if they have tried to appeal to those who can keep their lights on. I understand the things they do, but other times I dont. But honestly I feel as if the hatred and anger we have in our selves have risen to a point where we can't have simple disagreements or arguments as I have seen. Everyone is always quick to write a snarky remark on a post written by someone who probably wanted to say something( and I am just as guilty of doing this) but at times it's as if we lost that thought of what was op thinking and how will this thing I said affect them? 

TLDR: overall I feel as if my experience in this game wa sve8ng tainted by my own self destruction and I feel like others dont realize that as well.

I'm afraid of how this post will turn out but I just felt like saying something off my mind.

But anyways be kind to each other,  play on, till we all lift together or something. 

 

I’ve coined it the “law of inverse productivity”.

It can be applied to books, video games,  TV drama, being a sports fan...you get the idea.

But...

Video games can be a bit more insidious in that they frame a false sense of accomplishment and progression and then stack this effect.

They are the natural evolution of storytelling.

The more you invest in fantasy success, the less time and success you realize in the real world.  It’s inversely proportional with the amount of time invested in one vs the other.

The real world takes time and effort and there are no guarantees.  But it also instantly reveals the lie that is virtual/fantasy-world success.

Be entertained.  Use it for escapism.  Just understand it isn’t real-world progression in any sense and can actually negatively impact it.

It’s like saying being a die-hard fan of a pro team means I could coach or play...or living in a house means I could be a GC and build it...or that playing Video games means I could be a top-level game designer/artist/developer...or that losing yourself in a good book about a hero prepares you to be a hero or a great writer.

In the end you do what you are.  And you have to ask what that makes you in terms of the real world around you.

 

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1 hour ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

I’ve coined it the “law of inverse productivity”.

It can be applied to books, video games,  TV drama, being a sports fan...you get the idea.

But...

Video games can be a bit more insidious in that they frame a false sense of accomplishment and progression and then stack this effect.

They are the natural evolution of storytelling.

The more you invest in fantasy success, the less time and success you realize in the real world.  It’s inversely proportional with the amount of time invested in one vs the other.

The real world takes time and effort and there are no guarantees.  But it also instantly reveals the lie that is virtual/fantasy-world success.

Be entertained.  Use it for escapism.  Just understand it isn’t real-world progression in any sense and can actually negatively impact it.

It’s like saying being a die-hard fan of a pro team means I could coach or play...or living in a house means I could be a GC and build it...or that playing Video games means I could be a top-level game designer/artist/developer...or that losing yourself in a good book about a hero prepares you to be a hero or a great writer.

In the end you do what you are.  And you have to ask what that makes you in terms of the real world around you.

 

 

Exactly my experience in these forums.

 

Story Time:

As soon as I had suggested a hypothetical scenario (Small Plat fee for skipping a Rank Test), people began freaking out over the loss of fantasy- the loss of their "accomplishment."

The threads I had made went on and on with people arguing, and in the end, all I got was 3 warnings.

No attempts from mods to smooth things over, just endless arguments from everyone involved.

Some people don't stop and listen, much to the dismay of others who try to explain themselves to the best of their ability.

 

Story time over...

I loved Wild Star, was sad to see that game go, but if you never change a game, that's exactly what happens. 

Things become stale, and the game eventually loses edge to the casual consumer.

 

If staleness is the state that the Warframe community as a whole chooses, then you can choose not to indulge in conversing with the community as well.

Only my ten cents here, not much else to contribute.

I personally prefer staying away from Warframe at the moment, especially the forum community.

Just thought I'd come back to see the state of things. 

 

I'm sorry to the OP, but as much as we like a certain game, some communities can be better than others.

It's as simple as that.

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On 2020-02-03 at 4:32 PM, Talinthis said:

and this right here is a golden example of a useless good for nothing just hopping in to make a persons possible medical condition worse.

I disagree, tho others may be to blame, its not good for your mental health to think too much about the blame.

Youll just feel more unmotivated and depressed. You feel what you think about. Thinking about bad stuff makes you feel bad, thinking about ways to move forward makes you feel like moving forward. 

Its one thing to have a mental health problem, but its another to have it and completely stop doing natural healthy things for a persons mind. Its meant to be done in addition to whatever else youre using to help you with your mental health, unless youve been told not to by a mental health specialist.

 

The only thing blame is good for, is a quick reminder that you shouldnt hate yourself. Thats it. Other than that, forget about it.

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4 hours ago, (PS4)IIFrost_GhostII said:

I disagree, tho others may be to blame, its not good for your mental health to think too much about the blame.

Youll just feel more unmotivated and depressed. You feel what you think about. Thinking about bad stuff makes you feel bad, thinking about ways to move forward makes you feel like moving forward. 

Its one thing to have a mental health problem, but its another to have it and completely stop doing natural healthy things for a persons mind. Its meant to be done in addition to whatever else youre using to help you with your mental health, unless youve been told not to by a mental health specialist.

 

The only thing blame is good for, is a quick reminder that you shouldnt hate yourself. Thats it. Other than that, forget about it.

Not quite sure what you disagree with, you think their snide and unhelpful comment was ok? i knew someone who would lose their mind and cry over a comment like i quoted, some people just cant help but think about it. i dont know if they had anything, and its been a long many years time since i seen them but hopefully they are well.

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