Corvid Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, brasteir said: Or you could play an actual mmo. You can coordinate pee streams and orbit your healer mom all day without robbing the rest of us of the power fantasy Considering that your attitude robbed us of a balanced game, I'm gonna say "no".
brasteir Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Corvid said: Considering that your attitude robbed us of a balanced game, I'm gonna say "no". Explain. Wait nvm I think I get it, power scaling on enemies balanced around op frames? Granted, doesn't have to do implementing forced miserable mmo dynamics, which is the core of my gripe, and that it would come with its own set of balance issues given the plethora of weapons and warframes, you think turning it into some ebin forced coop is going to fix balance? My attitude didn't affect anything in this game, the power fantasy was its backbone for years. The company lacks direction and decides it wants to be a souls like "sometimes" and so we get enemies that can sometimes one shot ember and other similar frames. Not my fault. Edited February 9, 2020 by brasteir
Porked_ Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 On 2020-02-08 at 2:15 PM, Melanholic7 said: 20% with x10 is technicaly the same as 100% crit and x2. Which is super easy on things like gaze. Sooo....maybe people should stop fapping on “on so big number woooow this crit multy”. No. 20%/10x will be average 2.8x of the listed damage while 100%/2x is just 2x. And on topic. There are many, many cases of absolute room clearing weapons already. The ones that take very little effort to clear up tiles after tiles at high level *always* get nerfed in some way. This one is no different. 1
Cubewano Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 5 hours ago, brasteir said: Or you could play an actual mmo. You can coordinate pee streams and orbit your healer mom all day without robbing the rest of us of the power fantasy Poor game balance is robbing me of my power fantasy so agree to disagree.
warmastercain Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 On 2020-02-07 at 3:14 AM, _Euphoria_ said: You had to make this thread to give DE the idea, didn’t you? Yes yes he did but it won't matter this gun went unloved ever since it came our so its finally getting the love it deserved so I bet de planned to make it op if you use heat corrosive and rad but otherwise it falls off about 2% after they lose all armor every 45 levels capping at 80% overkill after level 500 I mean without a riven and no buffs headshot crits against unarmored corrupted heavy gunners and bombards are still in the high 35k zone quickly melting 500+ is trivial
Tenno76856 Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 I just got it last night. Even at 28% bonus i can tell its OP. If anything it will be the range which possibly may get nerfed - right to other end of rooms - scaled back to atomos range.
(PSN)cdzbrbr Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 I like how everyone is forgetting or pretending to forget gaze. It's by far the strongest kitgun after the buff and people were mad when its riven dispo got nerfed. Some heavy double standards there. Kuva nukor isn't stronger than gaze.
kwlingo Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Everything too OP will get a nerf one day. 1
AzothChalice Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 what about enemys that have status immunity, like sentient, lich, wolf?
Tinklzs Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Arkadia said: what about enemys that have status immunity, like sentient, lich, wolf? Those are irrelevant because we have raw damage/crit builds that can nearly one shot them. 2 hours ago, (PS4)cdzbrbr said: I like how everyone is forgetting or pretending to forget gaze. It's by far the strongest kitgun after the buff and people were mad when its riven dispo got nerfed. Some heavy double standards there. Kuva nukor isn't stronger than gaze. I have a pretty great gaze riven, and even with - nukor is nearly better without a riven. 1
(PSN)cdzbrbr Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tinklzs said: Those are irrelevant because we have raw damage/crit builds that can nearly one shot them. I have a pretty great gaze riven, and even with - nukor is nearly better without a riven. all due respect, but it must be a subpar riven, gaze is better. Base damage: The same. Crit Chance: 5.5 times more Crit Damage: Half. Fire Rate: 20% more Aoe potential: same as nukor's but gets boosted a lot by it the fact it can use an arcane Status hit: that's where the standard build for the gaze loses by quite a bit, BUT, beam weapons don't really need THAT much status chance to be able to proc it, especially considering gaze has more fire rate. People have just being sleeping over gaze,, perhaps still victims of its bad first impression pre buff. Now it's just a beast. Edited February 10, 2020 by (PS4)cdzbrbr
vegetosayajin Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, (PS4)cdzbrbr said: People have just being sleeping over gaze,, perhaps still victims of its bad first impression pre buff. Now it's just a beast. Why do people need to give up "secrets"...so de could nerf the gaze as well? pls play and enjoy, de will nerf a thing if it's overused, so don't get the gaze in that category 😜
(PSN)FriendSharkey Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 First Rule Of Warframe: Never get attached to anything in this game....
Venus-Venera Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 vor 5 Stunden schrieb (PS4)cdzbrbr: all due respect, but it must be a subpar riven, gaze is better. Base damage: The same. Crit Chance: 5.5 times more Crit Damage: Half. Fire Rate: 20% more Aoe potential: same as nukor's but gets boosted a lot by it the fact it can use an arcane Status hit: that's where the standard build for the gaze loses by quite a bit, BUT, beam weapons don't really need THAT much status chance to be able to proc it, especially considering gaze has more fire rate. People have just being sleeping over gaze,, perhaps still victims of its bad first impression pre buff. Now it's just a beast. show your build then. i tried with crit chance/multi (it will get 30% crit chance) and damage/toxic riven. good primaries deal double or even triple damage. warframes with good dmg abilities beats it with eyes closed. tested it 2 days in arbitrations.
(PSN)Stealth_Cobra Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) Don't think they will nerf the wpn itself. That said I fully expect riven to go from 3 star to 1 star as more people use it. THB, it's a little overrated imho. There's better aoe secondaries that can clear a whole room with a single blast, and it seems to fall off rather bad when high LVL armored troops are concerned. It's more of a starchart clearer basically, but is just doesn't kill high LVL RJ grinders or LVL 100 plus enemies all that well. Edited February 10, 2020 by (PS4)Stealth_Cobra
Tenno76856 Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, (PS4)FriendSharkey said: First Rule Of Warframe: Never get attached to anything in this game.... Second rule : stop talking about secretly good op weapons to bring them to DE attention
Serafim_94 Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 12 часов назад, (PS4)cdzbrbr сказал: I like how everyone is forgetting or pretending to forget gaze. It's by far the strongest kitgun after the buff and people were mad when its riven dispo got nerfed. Some heavy double standards there. Kuva nukor isn't stronger than gaze. Gaze is amazing, but it doesn't quite chain that far.
Corvid Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, NigglesAU said: Second rule : stop talking about secretly good op weapons to bring them to DE attention Rule 3: Talk about them even more, for balance. 1
Venus-Venera Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 vor einer Stunde schrieb NigglesAU: Second rule : stop talking about secretly good op weapons to bring them to DE attention you speak as if developers are small and naive children and have no idea about anything. when i read the nonsense, i get the impression that this is how you present the developers at work: but the fact is that it is one of the best developer team. and they have been very successful for years. and game community is constantly growing.
George_PPS Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, (PS4)FriendSharkey said: First Rule Of Warframe: Never get attached to anything in this game.... That’s why many players left already. Any investment in the game will be robbed away by the developer.
(PSN)cdzbrbr Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Serafim_94 said: Gaze is amazing, but it doesn't quite chain that far. That's true, it's 29m vs 21m, but as I said in my second reply, it can make use of pax seeker and further enhances its aoe potential and, in a way, the range at which it can be lethal, by quite a lot. If one gets nerfed, so should the other. Realisticaly tho, i don't feel like any of them are in for nerfs at all. The chained damage is substantially weaker and will still have you picking the left overs one by one on murmur farm levels or sorties. If we go down to low lv enemies, then I can point a plethora of weapons and warframes that will feel more broken.
(PSN)cdzbrbr Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 6 hours ago, fuffi2milka said: show your build then. i tried with crit chance/multi (it will get 30% crit chance) and damage/toxic riven. good primaries deal double or even triple damage. warframes with good dmg abilities beats it with eyes closed. tested it 2 days in arbitrations. My build for which of the weapons? They are quite similar and a despite looking 'worse' on trades, the 'damage/toxin'riven should yield more dps than cc/ms. In any case, gaze: Hornet Strike, Barrel Diff, CC, CD, Toxin Dual, Elect Dual, 90% Tox, Primed Heated Charge. The mod you'll swap for a riven will depend on its roll and if you get multishot on your riven, i suggest replacing barrel diffusion for lethal torrent. Kuva Nukor will go the same way. I'll give the example using the riven I have, damage/multishot/toxin; I replace the 90% toxin mod for the Riven and replace Barrel Diffusion for lethal torrent. Might seem werid to completely remove barrel diffusion from the build, BUT, with said riven, it's what I found to be better. You could also remove a dual stat to fit the lethal torrent but I prefer the synergy of fire rate + status.
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