MageMeat Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Really nothing to explain. Which should I farm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouHaveShamedYoFamory Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 hmmm i had both and I would choose Ichors because they look cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Really nothing to explain. Which should I farm? You're probably going to farm the Dual Ichors long before you farm the Fang Prime Blades (11% chance in the Tower III Orokin Void Defense missions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrift Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I have to admit, I have both and I had the most fun with the ichors, specially with berserk installed. I guess maybe a pref or whatever youre going to fight more, fang has ap ichors do not, but ichrs deal poison damage and crit like crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhoyzu Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 both for mastery obv. i found that fang prime was one of the best melee weapons in the game. fun and stupid strong. innate armor ignore on top of massive AP modding with dmg and speed. freeze mod is good for CQC raping. it takes down level 100 corpus enemies like a plasma cutter through butter. not so good vs infested if no freeze mod but still fun to just hack your way through everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EganMC Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Galatine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenutReaper Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I have to admit, I have both and I had the most fun with the ichors, specially with berserk installed. I guess maybe a pref or whatever youre going to fight more, fang has ap ichors do not, but ichrs deal poison damage and crit like crazy Poision damage acts like AP for most intents and purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouHaveShamedYoFamory Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Galatine nuuuu go away D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrift Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Galatine Was not one of the op's options, stay on topic please ;) Edited October 6, 2013 by TheDrift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcryseria Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I have both and I actually keep on using Fang Prime just 'cause I'm a big fan of the vanilla Fang. Ichors are really good too might potatoe both in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY13ERPUNK Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 both too slow fang master race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenutReaper Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 By the way, I believe the Fang Prime has more potential DPS than the Ichors. I am 90% sure I read that somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EganMC Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Was not one of the op's options, stay on topic please ;) JOKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaver_X Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Dual Ichors do far more damage than fang prime. and as far as i know, fang prime doesnt have armor ignore....it just has ap damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuande Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Armor piercing ignores armor. It joins Poison, Serrated Blade and Physics Impact (except on Grineer Rollers, Seekers, Commanders) as being part of the armor-ignoring pool. Armor-piercing, however, is subject to specific enemy resistances, but these have nothing to do with armor. Edited October 6, 2013 by Xuande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MageMeat Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 Dual Ichors do far more damage than fang prime. and as far as i know, fang prime doesnt have armor ignore....it just has ap damage. Poison damage is generally the closest to actual armour ignore, as it only has one multiplier (3x against MOA torso). Armour Piercing damage is only slightly further, and has two multipliers (1.5x against medium Grineer and 0.5x on light Infested). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Dual Ichors benefit far more from the crit mods than Fang Prime, and thus can have a higher %age of thier dps as AI damage, while Fang Prime enjoys a higher total damage, but mostly elemental. The +crit damage mod is worth +270% damage on a crit, and Ichors have a 40% crit chance properly modded, while Fang Prime has room for 2 more elemental cards. AP is close to AI damage, but not the same thing. AP has modifiers as listed below. Poison damage is pure AI damage, it has no modifiers (the moa thing is a misinterpretation of how DoT's tick on the center of a mob, which is the 3x multiplier part of the moa - it works for fireball too btw). Other forms of AI damage do have multipliers. Serrated Blade does 3x to light Infested, AP does 1.5 to grineer and .5 to lesser Infested, and Physics Impact doesn't ignore armor for Grineer Seekers, Commanders and Rollers. Edit: Actual Numbers Dual Ichors with both crit mods (+150% ap) is (35*5.7*.4+35*.6)*1.2=(79.8+21)*1.2=100.8*1.2 DPS= 121 dps (181.5 AP) Fang with Molten Impact and Focus Energy is (25*.05*.5+25)*3*1.17=76.875*.1.17 = 89.95 AP DPS + 80.95 Fire + 53.95 Elec = 224.85 Rainbow DPS (134.95 AP) Ichors AP + AI DPS = 302.5 AI DPS FP AP + AI DPS = 224.9 AI DPS So you can see while FP has more damage overall, it comes from the extra 2 mod slots which can be filled with elemental damage. Using the crit mods the Dual Ichor has a far higher %age of armor ignoring DPS and thus is currently more effective against armored targets. TLDR: Ichor is better against everything but Corpus Moa's. Edited October 6, 2013 by Darzk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuande Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Physics Impact does 50% to Grineer Seekers and Commanders. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6mBXle3cFtdHBYUzVJaDJfdkIzSEN1cUh5UlRvckE#gid=12'>Physics Impact has no multipliers with Grineer or any other enemy. Physics impact is simply not part of the Ignored-Damage type pool for Seekers, Rollers, and Commanders. Physics Impact damage is reduced by armor for these specific enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Thanks, fixt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaver_X Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Dual Ichors benefit far more from the crit mods than Fang Prime, and thus can have a higher %age of thier dps as AI damage, while Fang Prime enjoys a higher total damage, but mostly elemental. The +crit damage mod is worth +270% damage on a crit, and Ichors have a 40% crit chance properly modded, while Fang Prime has room for 2 more elemental cards. AP is close to AI damage, but not the same thing. AP has modifiers as listed below. Poison damage is pure AI damage, it has no modifiers (the moa thing is a misinterpretation of how DoT's tick on the center of a mob, which is the 3x multiplier part of the moa - it works for fireball too btw). Other forms of AI damage do have multipliers. Serrated Blade does 3x to light Infested, AP does 1.5 to grineer and .5 to lesser Infested, and Physics Impact doesn't ignore armor for Grineer Seekers, Commanders and Rollers. Edit: Actual Numbers Dual Ichors with both crit mods (+150% ap) is (35*5.7*.4+35*.6)*1.2=(79.8+21)*1.2=100.8*1.2 DPS= 121 dps (181.5 AP) Fang with Molten Impact and Focus Energy is (25*.05*.5+25)*3*1.17=76.875*.1.17 = 89.95 AP DPS + 80.95 Fire + 53.95 Elec = 224.85 Rainbow DPS (134.95 AP) Ichors AP + AI DPS = 302.5 AI DPS FP AP + AI DPS = 224.9 AI DPS So you can see while FP has more damage overall, it comes from the extra 2 mod slots which can be filled with elemental damage. Using the crit mods the Dual Ichor has a far higher %age of armor ignoring DPS and thus is currently more effective against armored targets. TLDR: Ichor is better against everything but Corpus Moa's. why would u use focus energy with fang primes? their not meant for charge builds i thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 why would u use focus energy with fang primes? their not meant for charge builds i thought? Cause the 60% elec is cheaper than Shocking Touch and you already have all 3 90% elemental mods on so thats all thats left as an option. But it was meant as an example anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Cause the 60% elec is cheaper than Shocking Touch and you already have all 3 90% elemental mods on so thats all thats left as an option. But it was meant as an example anyways. Well, the main bonus behind Focus Energy is the increased charge speed that can stack with Reflex Coil. Fang Primes are meant for charged attacks (90 damage per hit, for a total of 180 base damage), not for spamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) ... That never even occurd to me. Why then are we comparing a charge attack weapon to a e-spam weapon? Completely different things, and the charge build is always better DPS. Edited October 7, 2013 by Darzk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenyu Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I've been playing so long and never realized that Fang/fang prime is for charge build? wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I've been playing so long and never realized that Fang/fang prime is for charge build? wtf. The normal Fang focus on melee spam, while Fang Prime focus on charge spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganwybas Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) The normal Fang focus on melee spam, while Fang Prime focus on charge spam. they all weak with nazi gunner 80-90lvl 6-7 strong blows its just too much for 1 enemy one handed weapon,and old type melee is usefull balance for they is dead Edited October 7, 2013 by JDante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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