Reduce Damage Mods By 50%

[Vernoc]

Use an mk1 braton and excalibur or a lato if levels are to easy for u. nothing says u have to use a nova, flux or soma or acrid.

right , or play harder missions OR another game till update/ new content

 

or both

Edited October 8, 2013 by Burkholz

[3XT3RM1NATUS]

Well, before you go, if you need help getting past Saturn just let me know, I'll show you the ropes on how to play.

2 l337 4 me

[SanityRobot]

right , or play harder missions OR another game till update/ new content

 

There are no hard missions.

 

Infinitely scaling missions aren't hard. You just hit a wall, whether that wall is wave 30, wave 50, or wave 500, nothing really changes besides the time you spend t-bagging the pod.

Edited October 8, 2013 by SanityRobot

[3XT3RM1NATUS]

There are no hard missions.

 

Infinitely scaling missions aren't hard. You just hit a wall, whether that wall is wave 30, wave 50, or wave 500, nothing really changes besides the time you spend t-bagging the pod.

 

And what you're proposing will just make us put x2 more bullets into our enemies. Wow, such gamechanger! So skill! Genious!

 

edit: yeah, it would be 100% more, still it changes nothing,

Edited October 9, 2013 by 3XT3RM1NATUS

[SanityRobot]

And what you're proposing will just make us put 50% more bullets into our enemies. Wow, such gamechanger! So skill! Genious!

 

Alternatively, all of the non-defense missions become something more than an afterthought.

 

PS: It would be 100% more.

Edited October 8, 2013 by SanityRobot

[Lumdalumlum]

I'm kinda on the side of OP. If you wan to use a braton in T3. That is your problem.That is what we have as 'end game' for now.

I remember when i started playing, going to wave 30 in jupiter def mission is something. But now? Its like so common that its easy. You can agure that i can always use mk1 braton. But why should i limit myself to that.

[Vernoc]

I'm kinda on the side of OP. If you wan to use a braton in T3. That is your problem.That is what we have as 'end game' for now.

I remember when i started playing, going to wave 30 in jupiter def mission is something. But now? Its like so common that its easy. You can agure that i can always use mk1 braton. But why should i limit myself to that.

no reason to limit, like play mk1 braton , but u can try different ways, different play stiles, the real statement is imo , that not the mods or guns have to be nerved, the armor and the enemys should be better

 

u can´t make a game with one S#&$ weapon after the next, enemys have to get stronger, harder missions, new goals, the the fun comes

[Zephuros]

you're kidding...right?

[Vernoc]

you're kidding...right?

with better armor i mean armor 2.0 or other changes, not higher armor

[DaveC]

right , or play harder missions OR another game till update/ new content

 

or both

The salient words here are "new content"...there really isn't much "new content" beyond the standard F2P cash generation stuff. New weapons, scarves, colours frames, resources.

[Wolfie758]

Really dont agree with this. I see damage mods fine as they are, the enemies match it fine and eventually overpower it which is where CC comes in. Armor 2.0 will do at least something damage wise. 

[-Kittens-]

Damage currently is way too high on top end guns with top end mods. They move the bar of "endgame" (Pluto, most T3) from it's most logical location of around level 80 to high into the hundreds.

 

Weapon damage far exceeds the limitations of content at the moment, the only content that isn't completely trivialized by the power creep is fake content. Wave 50 endless defense and hour long survival aren't content.

 

Reduce the damage on mods, lower that bar back to where it should be, then nerf Nova for the new power level. Suddenly large portions of the game become playable rather than being laughable, and you don't have to go through and completely redesign other Warframes that were lost in the power creep avalanche.

 

 

Pretty sure you're not actually playing that content or you would have a different opinion.

 

See these?

 

 

It takes about a mag and a half of these or more to take out a level 100 bombard with headshots.

 

So sure on level 35-70 these things are completely ridiculous. After that they are serviceable

 

You should probably be trying some of these new fangled Alerts by yourself with your supposedly overpowered weapons, and maybe even post a video of your solo so we can see how well you fare on a level 120 Rescue with a room full of &!$$ed off Scorches with two Bombards leading the charge, cause that's what I had to deal with last night, and needless to say all three of my teammates had to be picked off the floor multiple times cause their mods slots didn't look like this:

 

 

and two of them were novas with acrids.

Edited October 8, 2013 by -Kittens-

[zzang]

Pretty sure you're not actually playing that content or you would have a different opinion.

 

See these?

 

 

It takes about a mag and a half of these or more to take out a level 100 bombard with headshots.

 

So sure on level 35-70 these things are completely ridiculous. After that they are serviceable

 

You should probably be trying some of these new fangled Alerts by yourself with your supposedly overpowered weapons, and maybe even post a video of your solo so we can see how well you fare on a level 120 Rescue with a room full of &!$$ed of Scorches with two Bombards leading the charge, cause that's what I had to deal with last night, and needles to say all three of my teammates had to be picked off the floor multiple times cause their mods slots didn't look like this:

 

 

and two of them were novas with acrids.

the problem really is that most people didnt even put a step into endgame or consider lvl 70-80 missions endgame (lol) and they come to forums to complain and cry/spam for nerfs

 

but seeing that DE made a nice sticky in this subforum im happy that the DEvelopers dont take the flame to serious.

 

after all its still their game and i think they know a lot better how to create and maintain a lively game than the uninspired "I'd like to nerf" people.

Edited October 8, 2013 by zzang

[From_Orion]

Use an mk1 braton and excalibur or a lato if levels are to easy for u. nothing says u have to use a nova, flux or soma or acrid.

 

U can also remove half u'r dmg mods from u'r weopons or use half fused mods. - problem solved.

Right, the player can adjust the difficulty level by himself, no need to buff or nerf damage on the whole for bad reasons...

[Wolfstorm18]

No.

 

[Wolfstorm18]

Use an mk1 braton and excalibur or a lato if levels are to easy for u. nothing says u have to use a nova, flux or soma or acrid.

 

U can also remove half u'r dmg mods from u'r weopons or use half fused mods. - problem solved.

 

This.

[YourLocustBuddy]

If you want a tougher challenge then take the serration mods off your weapons. No need for nerf. Problem solved. 

[fatpig84]

Someone said Scorchers ?

Oh my at level 100 and above, they are one of the deadliest enemies I face.

 

Without sufficient damage mods to actually kill them fast enough, they will massacre entire teams and unlike Napalms, they actually can move decently fast enough and their fire is nearly hit scan.

Edited October 8, 2013 by fatpig84

[SanityRobot]

the problem really is that most people didnt even put a step into endgame or consider lvl 70-80 missions endgame (lol) and they come to forums to complain and cry/spam for nerfs

 

Level 70-80 IS endgame.

 

That's the "endgame" that the content is actually designed for. Whether you think you're amazing because you got to X level in endless defense is wholly irrelevant.

[Grandarex]

... what.

 

You do realize that cutting every weapon's damage by half essentially does nothing, right?

 

You could literally make enemies have 100% more HP and get the same results. 

 

It doesn't solve power creep, it just makes every enemy more "bullet-sponge". 

 

:I 

 

Jesus christ...

[SanityRobot]

It doesn't solve power creep, it just makes every enemy more "bullet-sponge". 

 

Are you serious?

 

"Power creep" is guns doing more and more damage compared to the content.

 

How does making guns do less damage not solve power creep? Do you even know what the phrase means?

 

And don't call me Jesus.

Edited October 8, 2013 by SanityRobot

[Grandarex]

How does making guns do less damage not solve power creep? Do you even know what the phrase means?

 

Power creep means when newly created weapon/power turn out to be much stronger and efficient than previously existing weapon, making the older weapons useless in comparison. 

 

Your method doesn't solve power creep because if you cut every weapon's damage by half, the weak weapons will still be relatively weak compared to the stronger one. 

 

If you really want to solve power creep, what you need to do is nerf extremely powerful weapons, buff existing weak weapons, and make sure that every new weapon follows a certain standard of power/DPS. 

 

But DE isn't going to do that because they want a tiered weapon system, where ridiculously strong weapons exist, but is simply harder to achieve (e.g. high mastery ranks).

 

Hopefully this clarifies why all of your posts have very little votes, compared to others who speak against it.

[SanityRobot]

Hopefully this clarifies why all of your posts have very little votes, compared to others who speak against it.

 

Votes are meaningless.

 

People in general are very selfish and myopic. Its very easy to blow a lot of smoke and get people mindlessly praising it. Anything that makes people feel stronger will get a lot of upvotes, anything that makes people weaker, especially in a broad sense, will get a lot of hatred. Even if the game is currently laughably easy and the only "challenging" content is fake content created by infinitely scaling missions.

 

You're pretty sorely mistaken if you think I'm concerned with the number of people clicking the vote button on my posts.

[SanityRobot]

And this isn't and never was meant to address the Acrid being stronger than the Lex.

 

This is more aimed at not having basically every gun in the game be a god weapon before level 120 enemies, which the games content was not designed around.

 

The balance between Acrid and Lex is something that may be touched on in Armor 2.0, and is in general it's own separate issue.

[MageMeat]

Votes are meaningless.

 

People in general are very selfish and myopic. Its very easy to blow a lot of smoke and get people mindlessly praising it. Anything that makes people feel stronger will get a lot of upvotes, anything that makes people weaker, especially in a broad sense, will get a lot of hatred. Even if the game is currently laughably easy and the only "challenging" content is fake content created by infinitely scaling missions.

 

You're pretty sorely mistaken if you think I'm concerned with the number of people clicking the vote button on my posts.

Amusing, considering that by your reasoning you know how most people work.

You are not a mind reader, and your sentence would not work in a sound argument unless you have great insight into the function of the human mind.

This suggestion will most likely not go in unless Digital Extremes decides that they want to severely cripple most players by halving their potential damage output.

When they could easily make a smarter change.

 

Power creep is the definition of something getting eclipsed by an newer creation. This would be a mere band-aid, and a weak one at that. The Acrid, Soma and Galatine would still kill everything more easily than other weapons at a player's disposal.