April 2020 Riven Disposition Updates & PC Trading PSA

[(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK]

4 hours ago, [DE]Connor said:

Greetings Tenno! 

"- to prevent savvy Riven traders on PC exploiting market knowledge, we are preventing the trading of Rivens on PC until we can hotfix in the disposition changes."

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We are sorry for the inconvenience, but hope that you understand why this preventative measure is necessary, to protect those who might be caught unaware!
 

 

I think savvy Riven traders should be the least of players worries. I think there needs to be protective measures from DE. Don't want players to be caught unaware to DE's tactics to try and balance a game by balancing out some players wallets first. Preying on the known desires of players to be OP or min/maxing items only to take that away, and then brought back again at some point perhaps. It's just a cycle of madness, and it needs to stop. For those unaware, for those who don't read patch notes, or forum threads. Sure one could say it's their own fault for not being informed. But it's not like it's clearly laid out in the game without having to scan through patch notes. No message popping up saying "Check your rivens! We have made some wonderful changes to their stats, you're welcome!"

"you are about to trade plat you either bought with real money or worked hard to get via trading, for this item that will ultimately change potentially for better or worse at DE's discretion, are you sure you want to trade for this item?"

"Also you don't own anything you buy on this game as it is the sole property of DE and they can take it away without prior notice, do you wish to play Warframe?" 

Savvy Riven traders my booty, someone's really savvy and it ain't no riven trader

[C4Mingus]

Warframe was the best game i've played .. and i loved this game so much that i did not played any other game in the last 4 years.

I spent a lot of time farming kuva and rivens, buying some and selling others. When i mean a lot it was a lot.

But now the feeling is that i was being an idiot ... I should learned how this systems works in the past riven dispositions change. Now the past year of work i put in this game worth much less.

Perhaps I am trying to be smart ... a veteran trying to earn the plat from this innocent new player ... What a shame doing such thing in a Socialist environment like Warframe. There is no place for me here. For this my apologies.

I will stop messing up with your game and let the newbies be happy with this riven system until they learn how its works ....

[kamisama85]

2 hours ago, IllogicalLogic420 said:

Wow the list just get's worse.

What is the point of getting prime weapons if you're just gonna nerf them to be the same or weaker than the basic weapons? The whole point of working for a better weapon is, well, because it's better, and should stay that way. Otherwise, what is the point?

The base stats didn't get nerfed, just the multiplier of your supercharged riven. The primed version is still better than the original.

[Daiwulf]

I think DE should stop balancing the game through a single mod that only some people use on their extreme and start balancing things based on the weapon itself: a dead weapon isn't coming back to life with a +0.05 buff, and a godly weapon isn't dying with a -0.2 nerf. The rivens just amplify the problem of the innate weapon balance.

I have a great Veldt riven unrolled with +147dmg, +81ms, +114critdam and yet I don't even use the weapon because no matter if it's getting a 0.05 buff, the weapon with a riven still can't compare to a good weapon without a riven.

I have an Ignis Wraith riven with +83dam,+65critdam, +36zoom, -21ammo rerolled 13 times and yet I use the gun without it all the time because it still outperforms almost everything else and the riven isn't worth the mod slot.

TL;DR: what is broken isn't the riven stats, it's the weapon balance itself. Start from there, then you can start thinking of riven balance.

[InfernalSnail69]

Also no point of buying your prime accesses anymore cause base weapons are as good as prime.

[IenzoAin]

4 hours ago, [DE]Connor said:

However, the hotfix we had planned for today was not going to be ready in time to match console release. Scarlet Spear launched on consoles at 11 AM (Eastern time), and PC will be hotfixing at approximately 3:30 PM. Therefore, to prevent savvy Riven traders on PC exploiting market knowledge, we are preventing the trading of Rivens on PC until we can hotfix in the disposition changes.

Literally anybody can look up the forums. If they get burned for making a terrible business investment, they quite frankly deserve it. If you make a terrible business investment irl, you don't get rewarded for it as it should be with any investment or business. 

[MacKenzie-Prime]

3 minutes ago, EmperorWisel said:

> People waste their time farming for rivens that we all know that is going to change sooner or later.

> People get mad that said riven changes to worse even tho they knew it was going to happen at some point.

I am unable to understand this logic.

 

The way Im reading that is, rivens encourage investment (in farming kuva and riven slot availability, not gonna touch the plat market with Ten-foot-pole-prime)... and it can be highly discouraging to be pointed towards developing a riven to have that investment to regularly lose or gain value due to means outside ones own control.

But yeah, I agree... i wont buy a riven for more than 100 plat at absolute max, nor do I even feel comfortable selling them for amythimg more than that. We all know that the next round of dispo changes those multi thousand plat rivens will get boned.

And beleive me, I was sooo tempted to pass off my corinth riven for the 1k someone was asking to buy one for just a few days before corinth prime came.out.  buyer beware, sure, but its just redonkulous!

[LSG501]

zaw nerfs again (they already came out weaker with the melee rework), rubico nerf AGAIN...  this is getting rather predictable in all honesty.

skiajati nerf...why, have you considered why it might be popular at the moment.... scarlet spear sentients and all that....same with the paracesis, 2 weapons DESIGNED for fighting sentients because they can fit umbra mods...

 

Rivens are turning out to be a complete cluster f of an addition to the game, if they're not already.  They're not doing anything for the weaker weapons they were intended for and all what seems to happen is nerfs for the weapons that people are using most, which is not always down to having rivens for them...

EDIT: I haven't bought any of my rivens and it's still getting annoying seeing rivens constantly nerfed after wasting time on getting the kuva to reroll them to a 'usable' state (and I'm not even on about a god roll)

[supernils]

3 hours ago, Voltage said:

Riven mods are the embodiment of a time investment

 

Omg one sentence into the comments and I'm already crying of laughter. Happy groundhog day and let the salt flow!

[GreyDeath789]

13 minutes ago, Cryonet2 said:

So you're just nerfing kuva weapons into the ground

Kuva weapons were being exploited to trivialize game play so a nerf...er..fix...was in order to avoid having people play Waframe anymore. There was absolutely no way DE could have known that Kuva weapons would be so popular given the insane number of forma and thus capacity of these weapons that give players plenty of room to add all the mods needed to make them....exploitable....

 

[MMBk]

Oh boi, i love the "i spent 2k plat in a riven that will obviously get nerfed" type of salt. Keep up the good work DE, these changes were necessary.

[ZoomZoomPrime]

Nurfing everything people use is stupid and only thing you will gain from this is i go spend my time on other games instead of grinding to get something just for it to be F#@t a few weeks later

[IenzoAin]

7 minutes ago, Voltage said:

Over-usage directly correlates to powercreep in this game. Wouldn't the game be healthier if every 90 days you had crappy Primes/Vandals/Wraiths/etc. become relevant, and obvious powercreep adjusted? Or would you rather have it like it is now where a very obvious oversight isn't touched for years at a time? I could have told you the Plague Kripath disposition would be nerfed in 2017, I just wouldn't be able to tell you when. It's a base Viral damage polearm that can use Exodia Contagion. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify balance issues in this game. 

Riven Mods over time have taken the place of balancing powercreep in this game, and it is quite sad. They should be completely irrelevant when it comes to balance, not be the balance. I would much rather DE revisit Aksomati every 90 days and make stat tweaks than ruin my time investment. If you nerf Aksomati but keep the Riven the same, you still let the Riven be unique and powerful while toning down powercreep. In this current system, I am actually punished for having a Riven nobody else has access to, because the stats are so good that it makes the vanilla compete with the Prime. That is terrible. The better your Riven gets, the closer the gap is, and the less interesting variants are. If you ignore Rivens or only have bad rolls, this will affect you less.

Here's the problem with DE's design philosophy though, even though the Stug has a ludicrous riven dispo. 1) Nobody uses it. 2) It's still trash. If a weapon's design is still fundamentally unusable in the best case scenario it's just going to terrible. I would definite agree with you on just straight up revisiting the weapons and making tweaks to the stat changes and in some case, Stug, complete total rework as it has literally no point in this game.

[WeaselBoy]

7 minutes ago, MacKenzie7717 said:

Thats like nerfing hydroid because khora exists and they are both in the "farming" family of frames.

That's an extremely disingenuous argument and you know it.

Family refers to the base weapon or frame that all variants stem from.

8 minutes ago, Pzykdruhgs said:

Why is this a problem?

As other commentators have said, it devalues variants of weapons as not true upgrades once rivens are involved. Why spend the effort formaing and potatoing a new primed weapon, that you own a riven for, if the base weapon surpasses it. 

[Astra_Ahina]

Oh no, my tekko prime! That weapon I barely even see used at all on public missions!

[1st-1]

à l’instant, MMBk a dit :

Oh boi, i love the "i spent 2k plat in a riven that will obviously get nerfed" type of salt. Keep up the good work DE, these changes were necessary.

"necessary." and why that ? because you're jealous of them 'cuz u cant afford to even buy a warframe slot ? 😄

[CodeUltimate]

29 minutes ago, (PS4)Azrael326 said:

DE clearly doesn't want you to use any melee weapons except Zaws.... That's pretty much all I got from these absolutely atrocious nerfs they're putting out. Like seriously, wtf.

but they killed the zaws too xd

[SweetScreams]

So.. DE once again scews us. Massive nerfs with itty bitty tiny buffs to make it not look so bad. Whats next, a salt frame to rub it in?

[Isokaze_BestKaze]

Damn, my Aksomati Prime is losing its appeal more and more. Can y'all stop using that weapon so I can go back to my love 9.3x crit multiplier please ?

Other than that, none of the weapons I'm using with a Riven got impacted negatively. Yay for niche. The Paracesis nerf is incredibly dumb tho.

[Thundervision]

4 hours ago, [DE]Connor said:

Kuva Ogris: 1->0.9

 

Quote

 

Reduced the following AoE weapons Radial Damage Falloff from central impact that were all previously 90%:

Primary:

•     Mutalist Quanta: 50%
•     Kuva Chakkurr: 30%
•     Opticor: 60%
•     Opticor Vandal: 60%
•     Battacor: 40%
•     Acceltra: 50%
•     Ogris: 80%
•     Kuva Ogris: 80%
•     Penta: 50%
•     Secura Penta: 60%
•     Simulor: 60%
•     Synoid Simulor: 60%
•     Tonkor: 70%
•     Kuva Tonkor: 70%
•     Zarr: 50%
•     Ferrox: 40%
•     Javlok: 30% / Alt Fire 60%
•     Scourge: 30% / Alt Fire 60%
•     Astilla: 30%
•     Phantasma: 50%
•     Komorex: 40%
•     Zhuge Prime: 30%
•     Lenz: 70%
•     Shedu: 60%

 

Bruh.

 

[MacKenzie-Prime]

1 minute ago, WeaselBoy said:

That's an extremely disingenuous argument and you know it.

Family refers to the base weapon or frame that all variants stem from.

No, its not, and YOU know it. Read my post in its entirety, do not cherry pick and then accuse me of being the disingenuous one pleasethanksbyebye.

[DJInfornography]

Just now, CodeUltimate said:

but they killed the zaws too xd

Really it seems everyone is missing the point that this is like the brightly colored skin scaring you away from a poisonous toad. No one should be using rivens.

They are warning you here and now, you think  they see that nothing is going to get you to use that broken old, unused, weapon even with a 5/5 disposition, which they wont.

[GreyDeath789]

3 hours ago, Voltage said:

The separation of disposition between weapon variants is also increasingly horrible as your Riven Mod improves. The perfect example right from this thread is Aksomati and its Prime. The Prime variant of this weapon just received another slight nerf to the disposition compared to the vanilla weapon, yet the Prime itself is hardly an upgrade in the base stats. This closes the gap in performance to an amount that makes it undesirable to even bother with a Prime variant of your favorite weapon. Why do I use Aksomati as an example? Here is why:

Aksomati:

Aksomati Prime:

Same Riven, same build. However, look how similar these weapons are in stats. This is before the Prime is losing another .05 on the disposition. This means my Prime weapon will not even hit 100% Critical Chance anymore. It just feels bad to invest into Rivens when this happens and discourages players with good Rivens to touch variant upgrades with slight status bonuses (which have been many recent variants lately). The Prime barely feels different than the vanilla weapon thanks to this difference in disposition, and this makes the upgraded version of the weapon boring and lackluster.

Honestly, I didn't realize that changing the disposition impacted the stats of the riven mod. Always figured it impacted the RNG CHANCE of a riven mod dropping for a specific weapon.

Well...guess I am done spending IRL $$ on Prime Access and will just 'grind' out things...not worth having platinum if DE is just gonna change things out from under the players.

Now I have to go back and see how bad my builds are now...oh wait...nah...gonna play another game of solitaire where the rules don't change from game to game like they do in Warframe (looking at you Scarlet Spear nerfs and these riven nerfs)...

[.LeiA._]

Sometimes I really don't understand what DE wants. Keep changing Riven dispositions whenever they want because of the popularity, primed or even when they just feeling like it. You devs got many things to do and this Riven thingy keeps on getting changes and stuffs.

 

[MMBk]

6 minutes ago, 1st-1 said:

"necessary." and why that ? because you're jealous of them 'cuz u cant afford to even buy a warframe slot ? 😄

"How fast a Salty...?" I was thinking

That was fast, LMAO