(PSN)Hopper_Orouk Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Cloudwalker speed, nerfed Iron staff not actually dealing the appropriate damage for melee 3.0 Next thing you know they'll "fix" celestial twin dealing so much damage with bramma by erasing the clone from existence Why do you have to treat one of my favorite warframes like that? You gave him a massive rework, a beautiful deluxe and then you nerfed him to the ground and forgot about him? What gives? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: Iron staff not actually dealing the appropriate damage for melee 3.0 Nor having a unique effect justifying it's cost, leaving him with a wasted ability slot and an unjustifiably expensive handicap. 1 minute ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: You gave him a massive rework, a beautiful deluxe To get more sales for his PA. 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: and then you nerfed him to the ground and forgot about him? What gives? His PA is over. Sad, but true. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hopper_Orouk Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: Nor having a unique effect justifying it's cost, leaving him with a wasted ability slot and an unjustifiably expensive handicap. Yeah i agree, excalibur has energy waves, valkyr is invincible and has lifesteal Wukong has...the largest range of all melees? And the widest block angle? 4 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: His PA is over. Sad, but true. This is just...is just greed man I mean, i may be relatively new here, but shouldn't we all complain about it or something? Maybe our voice will be heard, idk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Greybones Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: This is just...is just greed man I mean, i may be relatively new here, but shouldn't we all complain about it or something? Maybe our voice will be heard, idk Er. You want us to rise up based on two people’s biased subjective interpretation of a situation that they most likely don’t have complete knowledge of? 🤔 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Viveeeh Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: Wukong has...the largest range of all melees? Most men think having a large melee is very important. My opinion is, range isn't the most important thing, but how they use that melee. I'm sad Wukong can't fight how he used to 🙁 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: Wukong has...the largest range of all melees? Not after Rivens are counted, and they should be counted. 7 minutes ago, (PS4)Hopper_Orouk said: This is just...is just greed man I mean, i may be relatively new here, but shouldn't we all complain about it or something? Maybe our voice will be heard, idk It's a free to play game. That sort of thing gets overlooked very easily. So long as the monetisation isn't obviously manipulative and extortionate, people turn a blind eye. 2 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said: Er. You want us to rise up based on two people’s biased subjective interpretation of a situation that they most likely don’t have complete knowledge of? 🤔 Biased? Could you elaborate? Wukong's Prime Access approached, and DE scrambled to get him a rework and a new skin. His current state wouldn't sell well at all and they knew it. We all knew it. Until his rework he hadn't received a single buff, despite being one of the worst frames in the game. It's therefore clear that Wukong isn't a priority for the devs (Saryn got 2 reworks in this timeframe). The logical conclusion as to why he hasn't gotten fixes post rework is therefore obvious, there's no PA coming up for him and thus financial incentive, so it's business as usual for DE and Wukong's problems are ignored. There's no bias or subjectivity there. 6 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said: that they most likely don’t have complete knowledge of? No one has followed Wukong's development through this game more closely than me. No one. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Fire_Fly. Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 load walker nerf? when its super fast to me atm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hopper_Orouk Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: No one has followed Wukong's development through this game more closely than me. No one 18 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said: likely don’t have complete knowledge of? 🤔 Listen to him, the guy didn't call himself DeMonkey for nothing 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorradiX Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 There was a nerf? Wukong was so owerpowered and easy I stopped using him,since everything got so easy I was bored out of my mind 😄 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Greybones Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: Biased? Could you elaborate? Wukong's Prime Access approached, and DE scrambled to get him a rework and a new skin. His current state wouldn't sell well at all and they knew it. We all knew it. Until his rework he hadn't received a single buff, despite being one of the worst frames in the game. It's therefore clear that Wukong isn't a priority for the devs (Saryn got 2 reworks in this timeframe). The logical conclusion as to why he hasn't gotten fixes post rework is therefore obvious, there's no PA coming up for him and thus financial incentive, so it's business as usual for DE and Wukong's problems are ignored. There's no bias or subjectivity there. No one has followed Wukong's development through this game more closely than me. No one. Did you want me to elaborate or...? You seem like you don’t need my clarification when you defended yourself before I even got a chance to clarify I mean, that’s not a completely illogical interpretation. It’s from an outside perspective, but I can see the rationality behind it. Knowing more than anyone about Wukong is... quite a claim. What do you mean by it? I feel like you misinterpreted what I said, but I find I need clarification. Perhaps it is I who misinterpreted your claim. I’m all for rising against the powers that be. Down with corruption and evil and all that. I’ll need a little more to go on than speculation though, like inside information and an understanding of motivations behind decisions. Edited April 25, 2020 by (NSW)Greybones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said: Did you want me to elaborate or...? You seem like you don’t need my clarification when you defended yourself before I even got a chance to clarify I want you to elaborate on the bias/subjectivity. I defended myself in an attempt to hopefully show the logic in my reasoning, and that I'm not biased. 5 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said: Knowing more than anyone about Wukong is... quite a claim. What do you mean by it? Well, my actual words were "no one has followed his development more closely than me" which is a little different. And yes, it is quite the claim I'm sure, but my love for Wukong is well know on these forums. I was excited for him when he was announced, I bought him immediately on release and I've barely touched other frames since. I post regularly in Wukong discussions, discussed things in PM's with other fans and shared builds and let's face it, I was calling Defy a trash ability long before it was cool. 10 minutes ago, (NSW)Greybones said: I’m all for rising against the powers that be. Down with corruption and evil and all that It's hardly corrupt or evil to make decisions based on money. It sucks for us because we're reminded that not everything in the game is valued the same way by the devs. Sometimes we care more than they do for a singular aspect of the game, and when that aspect doesn't align with their interests or wallets then it takes a back seat, sometimes for years at a time. Wukong was a marketing ploy for their new Chinese audience, beyond that they've shown by their actions that they do not care about him. I'm pretty much resigned to it at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengxiaoju Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: Nor having a unique effect justifying it's cost, leaving him with a wasted ability slot and an unjustifiably expensive handicap. To get more sales for his PA. His PA is over. Sad, but true. if u remember ash PA. buff before release, huge nerf on 4 after release. who plays trash now? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, kengxiaoju said: if u remember ash PA. buff before release, huge nerf on 4 after release. who plays trash now? Can't spell trash without Ash. Can't say I remember his PA very well, never cared for the frame really. It's unsurprising however that there's a precedent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltairFerenc Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 You say that like they did not forgot Nyx already, or zephyr. I haven't tried wukung in years but I doubt he is anywhere close to being as bad as the other 2 I mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) I do not mind some nerf to the celestial twin honestly, and take some of that nerf budget and put it into his staff as a boost that actually justifies its use over other melees that do not cost energy. The range is definitely noticeable, but i am not sure it is worth the other stats on it. I will not comment on the PA release timelines and his rework. Its a business decision. Edited April 25, 2020 by 0_The_F00l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I crafted him after his rework. From that perspective, he seems fine. He actually feels kind of OP compared to my other frames in some ways. I love the twin, he's hard to kill and I have no complaints about the speed of cloud walker. Feels much faster than I thought it was going to be. I'm not too sure about iron staff though, it hasnt really stood out for me compared to exalted blade. So I can see an argument there. Overal he doesn't feel "nerfed to the ground" to a new player. Maybe that's their metric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Greybones Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeMonkey said: I want you to elaborate on the bias/subjectivity. I defended myself in an attempt to hopefully show the logic in my reasoning, and that I'm not biased. The bias I’m speculatively referring to lies in the idea that, as an outside player of the game, you still consider yourself knowledgeable enough about what goes on surrounding Warframe, from how they conduct their business to what their plans for the future are, that you then pass all information that comes from DE through this filter and tend to find the final interpretation not to your liking. This is the bias I meant, and am looking forward to your counterpoints to help clarify, if not outright disprove, my assumptions The rest of your post is a good read and I’m understanding more clearly where you’re coming from. I can respect how you seem to value being clear and understandable 🤔 Edited April 25, 2020 by (NSW)Greybones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Wukong is still one of the best frames. Also I don't get the hatred for his staff. It still hits like a truck the last time I checked and since he can use Rage it doesn't even cost energy really. And the speed nerf I didn't even notice on cloud walker. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savire510 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Quote Cloudwalker speed, nerfed ? Its the fastest ability in the game, lmao. Protip, use croutch button while in cloud mode. You speak as if DE nerfed Wukong to oblivion and left him like that. He is still one of the most OP frames in the game. Edited April 25, 2020 by Savire510 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totterson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I haven't forgotten. It's on my list of features that DE has "fixed" calling them bugs. It's growing pretty long, Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thowed Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Whether he's bad or not the players seem to love him. He's one of the frames I see the most of in every game mode. In defense of the topic I never see anyone using his 4 lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hopper_Orouk Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Savire510 said: Protip, use croutch button while in cloud mode. Shhhh don't let them nerf this too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 he's still strong, but he could use some twekas to his Staff to put it on par with other exalted weapons, and a reason to use it over standard melee. kinda wish he got the Chinese build where he can literally cover the entire room with his Staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Tanta Cinta Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 hours ago, kengxiaoju said: if u remember ash PA. buff before release, huge nerf on 4 after release. who plays trash now? Bro I miss old blade storm so much. You just ignited an old spark of nostalgia in me 😢 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CrazyBeaTzu Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 If that tiny bit of speed was enough to get you upset then you cant be helped. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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