Warframe on Unreal 5?! Well that would be just amazing!

[(XBOX)SweatyPick3L]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/13/21256079/epic-unreal-engine-5-playstation-5-demo-next-gen-graphics-release-date

(Dev discussion about new engine above)

This^ 

Can give us this^

Just imagine....the only free to play game using the new unreal 5 engine!?! Boi!! 

(Article below, bit long winded)

Epic Games today announced the next iteration of its game engine, the Unreal Engine 5 (UE5), with a stunning demo running on the PlayStation 5. Epic says the demo shows off what next-generation game consoles will truly be capable of once developers have full access to creative tools like UE5 and the capability to squeeze the maximum out of new hardware and software baked into Sony’s PS5 and Microsoft’s Xbox Series X.

The graphics speak for themselves. And Epic has always pushed the bleeding edge of what’s possible,” CEO Tim Sweeney tells The Verge. “Our goal isn’t just to bring more features to developers. The hardest problem in game development right now is building high quality games takes enormous time and cost. So we want to make developers’ lives easier and more productive.”

To show off UE5’s capabilities, Epic put together a demo running on a developer version of PS5 hardware and captured the output. The results showcase incredible visual quality, combined with the detail and photo-realistic lighting Epic promises its new tools will deliver. According to Kim Libreri, Epic’s chief technology officer, “the next-gen consoles are going to give consumers a quantum leap, and UE5 is another leap on top of that.”

Libreri says he’s fairly confident developers can achieve visuals like that within a full studio title, and not just hyper-optimized tech demos, using next-gen consoles and UE5. But he and Sweeney explain that it may take some time for the full scope of the hardware and software to be realized and for developers to become fluent in tool sets like UE5.

The immediate goal with UE5 early on will be to help developers start thinking of games as holistic products that can exist anywhere, from smartphones all the way to high-end gaming PCs. “Each generation introduces a new set of problems you don’t have to worry about. We’re trying to remove the content scalability content problem from this generation,” Sweeney says, with the intent of giving developers the freedom to think up new game ideas.

You can build a high-end console game and it can look fantastic and you can also make it work on smartphones, and you can build an audience far bigger than just the hardcore gaming audience by shipping it on more platforms,” he adds, referencing Fortnite. “The technology can enable that and make it more productive.” With its full launch in late 2021, Epic says UE5 will support next-generation consoles, current-generation consoles, PC, Mac, iOS, and Android.

But for developers who do want to build games using the most up-to-date technology, UE5’s big advancements come in a pair of new development tools around graphical detail in objects and lighting, as well as a deep commitment from Epic to support next-gen game development. In fact, Sweeney says Epic has been working closely with Sony for years now on ensuring UE5 can best utilize the upcoming PlayStation's unique architecture.

Sony has really done an awesome job of architecting a great system,” Sweeney says. “The storage architecture on the PS5 is far ahead of anything you can buy on anything on PC for any amount of money right now. It’s going to help drive future PCs. They’re going to see this thing ship and say, ‘Oh wow, SSDs are going to need to catch up with this.’” The PS5, combined with tools like UE5, will enable “nothing but seamless, continuous worlds, and you can have this degree of fidelity going on for as many kilometers and gigabytes as you wish,” Sweeney adds.

Sweeney is referring to the PS5’s new ultra-fast M.2 solid-state drive, which Sony claims will have a drastic effect on how fast games load and how developers are able to manage the data of their game while it’s running on the hardware. The end result, in Sony’s words, are worlds that load almost instantaneously, freeing up developers to put resources toward maximizing visual quality and totally rethinking level design

The pair of new technologies coming with UE5 are called Nanite and Lumen. Nanite is a tool that will virtualize geometry, which means it will automatically generate “as much geometric detail as the eye can see,” the company says in a blog post, and allow developers to diversify that geometry endlessly based on any source asset.

That way, “film-quality source art comprising hundreds of millions or billions of polygons can be imported directly into Unreal Engine — anything from ZBrush sculpts to photogrammetry scans to CAD data — and it just works,” the company explains. Epic says the tool handles data streams and scaling in real time without a loss in quality. For developers, this will translate to extremely high-detail environmental assets created with a much less time- and resource-intensive manual process.

Lumen is Epic’s new dynamic global illumination tool, and Epic says it will work in real time for game development the way advanced computer-generated graphics work for high-quality animation and film production. “Artists and designers can create more dynamic scenes using Lumen, for example, changing the sun angle for time of day, turning on a flashlight, or blowing a hole in the ceiling, and indirect lighting will adapt accordingly,” the company explains.

Epic says UE5 won’t release until next year, first as a preview earlier in the year and then as a full release late in 2021. But the company says developers working on titles using UE4 right now will be able to easily transition. “Epic is designing for forward compatibility, so developers can get started with next-gen development now in UE4 and move projects to UE5 when ready,” the company says.

Epic is also slightly adjusting the business model for its game engine. Starting in 2015, Epic shifted to a full royalty model, in which it gives out access to Unreal Engine for free but claims 5 percent of all royalties from sales generated by Unreal-powered titles after the first $3,000 in sales.

Epic says it’ll now let developers keep all royalties for the first $1 million in sales generated, in other words $50,000, and it will then take 5 percent of any sales after that. (The company waives all royalty fees for sales generated through its Steam competitor, the Epic Game Store.) Epic says the policy change is retroactive to January 1st, 2020, and it will be reaching out to developers to coordinate refunds in the event they launched a game using Unreal in the last four months.

Epic is also finally launching its Epic Online Services platform, the multi-platform and game management tool set it built specifically to operate Fortnite. Originally announced in late 2018, Epic Online Services takes all of that technology — specifically the cross-platform matchmaking and account management tech that lets Fortnite accounts move and play between mobile, console, and PC — and gives it out for free. It will operate as a single software development kit, and it’s available today for all major consoles, Mac, and PC, with mobile to come soon.

While we’re still a year out from games that will take full advantage of UE5, Sweeney says the long lead of games means Epic wants to give developers the resources to migrate projections if they’re able to do that, or to start thinking up new ideas to use the engine for if they’re already close to wrapping a project that won’t be able to use UE5 at launch. “Any game that is going to ship at [PS5’s and Xbox Series X’s] launch time has been in development for the last two years, probably three,” he says. “This is the lead-up and what’s necessary to get fully next-gen technology up and running.”

 

 

 

[Miser_able]

One does not simply change engines. Besides, Warframe runs on their own in house engine. 

[Vlada91]

Haha i think that we all think the same thing about that... Because warframe is old and who know for how long is going to bee interesting when we are going to get this amazing looking games that looks better then a movie... Its like similar thing with world of war craft game old but playable for 10 max 15 years and i think its similar with warframe but its not in that big number of players to continue to play for that long for DE to bee profitable. So eventually they just have to partner up with this new engine 5 and make amazing warframe 2....

[-Krism-]

Yeah, changing engines now would be impossible, might as well make Warframe 2

[(XBOX)SweatyPick3L]

1 minute ago, Miser_able said:

One does not simply change engines. Besides, Warframe runs on their own in house engine. 

[(XBOX)SweatyPick3L]

2 minutes ago, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

Warframe 2

Or just Warframe revised?. DE could just say the previous Warframe was unintended and broken? They good at that. 😂

[Gabbynaru]

Warframe's running on it's own proprietary Evolution Engine, no way in hell it's able to change without ridiculous investment of time and money. And we all know how well this community takes to not getting updates.

Plus, that's a tech demo. Games on UE5 won't look like that. Remember that Kira PS3 tech demo? Yeah, it took until almost the end of the PS4's lifetime for that to become reality. So never take tech demos as proof positive that that's what will happen. They're just advertising fluff so far removed from reality you can easily call them dreams.

EDIT: Oh and, gameplay first. You can have all the pretty graphics you want, if the gameplay sucks, you have a dead game. ^{_{*cough*Anthem*cough*}}

[LordNero86]

yea, RIP my potato if they decided to use those lol

*still saving to buy a decent mid-tier parts here*

[Savire510]

Imagine working on your own engine for over 8 years and changing it all up for an unknown, new engine you know nothing about just because it looks fancy in a tech demo.

[Myscho]

WHY would they do that ?

[taiiat]

so, let's skip to the real world.

what about Unreal 5 specifically interests you? what does it do that is not possible currently in Video Games? what Programming features does Unreal 5 offer that sets it apart from all of the other Development Platforms that exist around in the Industry?
do you even know what you're talking about? or are you yet another person that is idolizing an 'Engine' just because of some Marketing you were given.

(i think you're just another non-technical person that is idolizing something because of some Marketing nonsense that was waved at you)

[Jem991]

Steve make that their own engine

[PookieNumnums]

The only thing unreal about this is idea that a engine swap would ever happen. Ever. 

[HoustonDragon]

Eh, the Unreal graphics are certainly beautiful, but I'm also really enjoying the Warframe engine just fine. The lighting and effects are pretty freaking awesome, and runs fantastic on my current rig, and can even be played on a laptop decently. I'd like to see some general artwork updates, but the amount of sheer time and cost involved in completely redoing everything is basically making a brand new game.

[Marine027]

Better engine not means a better game often, look at recent Triple A games.

Not to speak of this "Next Gen" talk overall, look at Watchdogs as counter example.

[Zimzala]

Been in IT for about 35 years now.

For some people, "new = best", regardless of anything else.

I have never understood the outlook, watching 6-12 grown-ass professionals losing thier minds over a new laptop someone in the office got that does the same things the last one did, or the new smart phone that is %.0001 different from the last one.

For games, the engine often is the game, as is the case here with WF.

I get that people don't understand how things actually work, I just wish when we explained, people would listen.

Not going to hold my breath. 🙂 

Monty Python had the 'machine that goes ping' skit before most WF players were born....

[phoenix1992]

I am not *dying* for an engine update that would cut the optimization short. WF is played on really old machines as well.

[Tricky5hift]

Just now, Zimzala said:

Been in IT for about 35 years now.

For some people, "new = best", regardless of anything else.

I have never understood the outlook, watching 6-12 grown-ass professionals losing thier minds over a new laptop someone in the office got that does the same things the last one did, or the new smart phone that is %.0001 different from the last one.

For games, the engine often is the game, as is the case here with WF.

I get that people don't understand how things actually work, I just wish when we explained, people would listen.

Not going to hold my breath. 🙂 

Monty Python had the 'machine that goes ping' skit before most WF players were born....

People also forget how far you can get with older engines too.

Titanfall and Apex Legends run off a heavily modified version of Source and they both look fantastic.

Funny how an engine which is well known for this:

Can be made to look like this:

[Dhrekr]

5 minutes ago, Zimzala said:

Monty Python had the 'machine that goes ping' skit before most WF players were born....

I see that you, too, have the machine that goes "ping".

Wonderful stuff. I didn't know we could do that nowadays.

[(PSN)LeBlingKing]

Would it look amazing? Yes.

Would it be necessary? No.

Would it be revolutionary? No. 

Would it be game-changing? Well, let's just say that bugs that are prettier than other bugs are still bugs.

Would it take time off of game development to try and switch the engine to UE5? Hell yes.

Would a sequel be necessary to make the switch? Hell no. Warframe is a live service with no need for a sequel.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

That would effectively require them to rebuild the entire game from scratch.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

54 minutes ago, Zimzala said:Monty Python had the 'machine that goes ping' skit before most WF players were born....

*Ping*

[SneakyErvin]

Even if it was possible they would lose too many players to make it worth it.

And who knows if UE5 will be good or just another UE overhype like UE3 was? Epic can hit and Epic can also miss horribly.

[(XBOX)Hyperion Rexx]

That new Mars tileset looks great in the demo though.

[ILOHARTA]

imagine spending jillion dollars into adapting the entirety of the massive WF game into a new engine just to see people zipping to the capture target in less than 30 secs without actually even noticing there are textures between the starting point and the exit of the map...

yeah totally worth it.