MacIntoc Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Hi, I'm tired of this war between people who use stuff with a high kps (kps == kill per second) and those who don't. Saryn, Mesa, Ignis, Kuva Bramma, ... there is no shortage of examples of people who complain about not killing because they can't use or don't want to use the stuff for and instead moan to make these stuffs to be nerf up to the marrow. So, why not give the players the choice to choose the stuf they want or don't want to go in squad with ? A simple list of the existing stuff with a checkbox telling the public matchmaking not to put them in a squad using one of the checked stuff (unless player itself use one of the checked stuff, of course). If they don't encounter theses stuffs, they should make kill again and stop to complain about "OP" stuff that prevent them to kill ? No ? Edit : it would be global setting, not per mission setting to avoid abuse (like exclude all non-meta stuffs), only stuff that make some complains may be exclude or the number of stuffs exclude may be limited Change of title for more precision Edited May 27, 2020 by MacIntoc 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str4dlin Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Matchmaking solution 1: Go Solo Matchmaking solution 2: Go with friends Matchmaking solution 3: Go a guild and go with guildmates. A coin every day I ve read this same topic PS: People does not steal you. People doing their mission. WTF Edited May 19, 2020 by str4dlin 51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ShonOfDawn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I guess there's a bigger problem at hand if people are complaining so much isn't it? And the solution probably isn't "don't matchmake with the people brainlessly racking up kills". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewarette Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) What kind of UI do you think this is gonna be ? Like a huge list with drop-down options ? In your case that'd be like I don't want to play with : - Saryn - Saryn Prime - Ignis - Ignis Wraith - Kuva Bramma - Lenz - Sonicor - Staticor - Simulor - Simulor Synoid - Tonkor - Kuva Tonkor - Mag (yeah she can still "kill steal" by spamming 4) - Mag Prime - Mesa - Mesa Prime - Equinox - Equinox Prime - Volt - Volt Prime ... At this point, just better to form your own squad, because with a list like that it'll take ages for you to find any group. Edited May 19, 2020 by Chewarette 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Deeceem Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) vor 25 Minuten schrieb (XB1)ShonFr0st: I guess there's a bigger problem at hand if people are complaining so much isn't it? And the solution probably isn't "don't matchmake with the people brainlessly racking up kills". It's only really a problem if you can't handle somebody else getting kills instead of you which is the major complaint most of the time and which ultimately doesn't matter in terms of what you get and it even makes you progress faster than it would shooting every single enemy with a Lex one by one. You could argue that it is not fun for some people, sure. But then again: fun is subjective. Some people enjoy the fast free carries and levels on their gear while watching a tv show with one of their eyes and collecting loot and killing some straying enemies or they simply don't care. Again, fun is subjective and rarely proof of a fact. It's an opinion. Mind you, I don't really care either way. Just pointing out what should be obvious if you look outside your own box. Edited May 19, 2020 by (PS4)Deeceem 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad4youLT Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 "nukers are stealing my kills" Please dont be this guy , this game is first and formost about killing everything on sight. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 ego being crushed much?? lol stealing kills like as if there is such a thing. err solo, friends only, invite only if you want to play the dominating role, just don't ever think it'll work in public where you will encounter players that actually play the game. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Why is everyone always talking about their own sadistic fun. Think about our opponents. They deserve a chance. All AoE stuff should not affect enemies behind walls and obstacles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xepthrichros Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 2020 and people still whining about their own inability to play better, or just too lazy to earn better gear. Why do people kill faster than you? Simple 1) more skilled and therefore kill faster. 2) have better gear that enables faster killing 3) have both better gear and more skill And the objective of the game is to be fast anyway. Personally, I pick frames like Ash and attempt to kill faster than Saryn. Quite likely, I will kill faster than you if I meet you. Good luck trying to filter me out of matchmaking if DE implements a "matchmaking based on frame equipped" option. You'd think you filtered out all the AOE nukers and here I will appear, utilizing shuriken, teleport and bladestorm to achieve a similar efficiency (and I am sure there are others like me, every now and then I find myself being outdone by even more savage Valkyrs and Lokis that somehow do 90% of the damage in a sortie despite there also being a Saryn and Mesa being on the team). So what then? Filter according to what? If not by frames then by what? Skill? L o l Edited May 19, 2020 by Xepthrichros 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIREEK Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 You need to go to the levels of update 7-10ish in order to make players so slow that you'll be able to keep up, that means no arcanes, no focus, reversed changes to warframes/weapons,..... If you simply apply a weapon/warframe checklist then you'll be outpaced sooner or later, because that is player dependant, not warframe or weapon. You can tick every single weapon, leave mk1 weapons and a limbo (a primarily inneficient warframe for killing since it relies on CC) and you'll still find yourself being outpaced. Improve yourself and you'll see that things will go better, practice tilesets and movement, do solo missions, learn to improve yourself. I understand you want a slower progression, that's fine, if you want more grind it's ok, but don't impose this on others, topics like these lead to nerfs and changes that ultimately catter to casuals, who will likely play something else in a few months, so having permanent additions to the game make no sense. If someone is taking away your fun, then find something else to do in a mission, if you already lack on things to do, then that will lead to an obvious end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarmongerExtraordinare Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 ive been playing almost exclusively solo for the last year+ while also tugging my own one-man-clan, but i guess it would be easier to complain about other people being better than you on forums 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawbeard Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 why do you care? if you do not aim to be "top dog" it should not affect you. and if you want to... git gud? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnarlsDarkley Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Is it just me or is OP like "Nerf everything so I can watch the foums burn while users flame"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 So people want to have top kills but refuse to bring the right tools for the job? Because that just sounds lazy to me. In most missions it's about being good with movement anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat500 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 The only time I can agree with this is not because of kills being stolen in itself, but if you look at matchmaking in general. You matchmake for defense sorties as a support, you get 4/4 people as support. Like, 5 sorties in a row. Super slow. Then the one time you are tired of it and you go as something like saryn, suddenly you have 2 saryns (which just does not work together), an octavia and an ash. Having a speed nova or a trinity for heals mixed in would indubitably help, but then you end up with that kind of a team. I agree that in this regard matchmaking could be more careful at least in what kinds of frames are randomly teamed up, assuming there is more than one party available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine027 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 vor 22 Minuten schrieb BlackCat500: The only time I can agree with this is not because of kills being stolen in itself, but if you look at matchmaking in general. You matchmake for defense sorties as a support, you get 4/4 people as support. Like, 5 sorties in a row. Super slow. Then the one time you are tired of it and you go as something like saryn, suddenly you have 2 saryns (which just does not work together), an octavia and an ash. Having a speed nova or a trinity for heals mixed in would indubitably help, but then you end up with that kind of a team. I agree that in this regard matchmaking could be more careful at least in what kinds of frames are randomly teamed up, assuming there is more than one party available. It would be atleast nice ot check to not have a frame twice or more, on the other hand people can compare each other that way and work on there builds if they see how they perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacIntoc Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chewarette said: What kind of UI do you think this is gonna be ? Just a list of checkbox and behind the name of stuff. Checked : don't want to see it unless i use it Not checked : i don't care whether i see it It would be a global choice, not a per mission choice. 26 minutes ago, Chewarette said: At this point, just better to form your own squad, because with a list like that it'll take ages for you to find any group. So maybe only stuff that make people complains on forum (like Bramma at this time) ? Or to limit the number of "banned" stuff to 15-20 ? 31 minutes ago, Rawbeard said: why do you care? if you do not aim to be "top dog" it should not affect you. and if you want to... git gud? I care because this kind of complaints lead to the nerf. 1 hour ago, Xaero said: Think about our opponents. They deserve a chance. They got one. Between the death of Orokins and the come back of the Tenno 😇 36 minutes ago, Drachnyn said: So people want to have top kills but refuse to bring the right tools for the job? Because that just sounds lazy to me. In most missions it's about being good with movement anyway. As i understand, they just want to make kills without having to go with nuker load out. It's their choice and i can understand that. I'm just thinking of a long term solution to offer them that without systematically resorting to nerf stuff, like DE always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevoisvevo Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, MacIntoc said: Hi, I'm tired of this war between people who use stuff with a high kps (kps == kill per second) and those who don't. Saryn, Mesa, Ignis, Kuva Bramma, ... there is no shortage of examples of people who complain about not killing because they can't use or don't want to use the stuff for and instead moan to make these stuffs to be nerf up to the marrow. So, why not give the players the choice to choose the stuf they want or don't want to go in squad with ? A simple list of the existing stuff with a checkbox telling the public matchmaking not to put them in a squad using one of the checked stuff (unless player itself use one of the checked stuff, of course). If they don't encounter theses stuffs, they should make kill again and stop to complain about "OP" stuff that prevent them to kill ? No ? Kill stealing in a pve game? Is this some sort of joke. Your matchmaking system is too tedious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine027 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 vor 4 Minuten schrieb MacIntoc: Just a list of checkbox and behind the name of stuff. Checked : don't want to see it unless i use it Not checked : i don't care whether i see it It would be a global choice, not a per mission choice. I don't belive you understand what he/she says here, it would be simply to much of work for programming and coding to make such a list to check every player and there equipment for such conditions, increasing loading time and at worse causign even more loading and host issues. DE would not bother with such simply to programm every detail in, considering also the amount of weapons and frames we have now, you can't just include specific ones, others would maybe want not wanting to see low weapons also, regardless the reason. It is simply not worth the time, resources and coding with the spaghetti code we have at times aswell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacIntoc Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marine027 said: I don't belive you understand what he/she says here, it would be simply to much of work for programming and coding to make such a list to check every player and there equipment for such conditions, increasing loading time and at worse causign even more loading and host issues. DE would not bother with such simply to programm every detail in, considering also the amount of weapons and frames we have now, you can't just include specific ones, others would maybe want not wanting to see low weapons also, regardless the reason. It is simply not worth the time, resources and coding with the spaghetti code we have at times aswell. So we're condemned to nerf each time peoples complains against stuffs making to much kill ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewarette Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, MacIntoc said: So maybe only stuff that make people complains on forum (like Bramma at this time) ? Or to limit the number of "banned" stuff to 15-20 ? Sorry but that doesn't work. They won't update the list based on the number of forum complaints. It's either all or nothing, hence I don't see that working at all. You want to get rid of AoE stuff for your personal reason, but there are plenty of other reasons to want to ban stuff : - I don't want a Slova in Defense, so I'll ban all Novas just in case - I don't want a white-energy-Limbo so I'll ban all Limbos - I don't want a Garuda to block the Defense as she may keep one enemy alive with the Blood Altar thing - I don't want Inaros because I hate him - I don't want AFKs in my ESO run, so I should ban all stealth Warframes + Limbo In the end, if I want to use the filter because we are 3 in the group and I want a Trinity with Ogris and Skana Prisma ? Well that's my choice, so I'll have the possibility to ban literally everything else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine027 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 vor 16 Minuten schrieb MacIntoc: So we're condemned to nerf each time peoples complains against stuffs making to much kill ? You have to adapt here, not the game bend to your will. As str4dlin said: vor 2 Stunden schrieb str4dlin: Matchmaking solution 1: Go Solo Matchmaking solution 2: Go with friends Matchmaking solution 3: Go a guild and go with guildmates. A coin every day I ve read this same topic PS: People does not steal you. People doing their mission. WTF This here buddy. is the answer, but instead you keep arguing. Guess if you play soccer you also only want specific teams to show up aswell in the Championship. This is not how it works simply, it is like asking in PvP in any game to prevent a class to join, there are rules that also apply to PvE games simply, want your own rules, make your own team, end of story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacIntoc Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Chewarette said: Sorry but that doesn't work. They won't update the list based on the number of forum complaints. It's either all or nothing, hence I don't see that working at all. You want to get rid of AoE stuff for your personal reason, but there are plenty of other reasons to want to ban stuff : - I don't want a Slova in Defense, so I'll ban all Novas just in case - I don't want a white-energy-Limbo so I'll ban all Limbos - I don't want a Garuda to block the Defense as she may keep one enemy alive with the Blood Altar thing - I don't want Inaros because I hate him - I don't want AFKs in my ESO run, so I should ban all stealth Warframes + Limbo In the end, if I want to use the filter because we are 3 in the group and I want a Trinity with Ogris and Skana Prisma ? Well that's my choice, so I'll have the possibility to ban literally everything else. All theses reasons don't lead to a nerf. 3 minutes ago, Marine027 said: You have to adapt here, not the game bend to your will. As str4dlin said: This here buddy. is the answer, but instead you keep arguing. Guess if you play soccer you also only want specific teams to show up aswell in the Championship. This is not how it works simply, it is like asking in PvP in any game to prevent a class to join, there are rules that also apply to PvE games simply, want your own rules, make your own team, end of story. So why all theses complaints lead to a nerf ? Doesn't the game bend to their will ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 It isn't the kill stealing that is a problem, hell that's a stupid complaint. The issue is that these nuke frames are so efficient at killing that there often isn't any actual gameplay left for the other 3 players except "Hallway walking simulator". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine027 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 vor 11 Minuten schrieb MacIntoc: So why all theses complaints lead to a nerf ? Doesn't the game bend to their will ? The difference is a nerf is sometihng else code wise then making a whole UI and coding for a basicalyl new matchmaking system. The thing is it is there game, they can do with it what they want, but still will choose between something easy to do rather then soemthing bigger if it is not worthwile, why weapons get nerfed like the Bramm soon will as most weapons got nerfed instead of buffing all weapons near it, it is simply easier and less work. You want changes? Suggest changes to the weapons and frames itself and not ignore it like the Conclave, ignorign part of the game will never get it fixed, it needsa look at the core issue. vor 14 Minuten schrieb Aldain: It isn't the kill stealing that is a problem, hell that's a stupid complaint. The issue is that these nuke frames are so efficient at killing that there often isn't any actual gameplay left for the other 3 players except "Hallway walking simulator". As Aldain said as example. Locking things and players out because of ridiclous unbalancign is not the palyers fault, it is how it is executed, but this system will onyl dim the nodes even more in the game. Thing is i like variety i like to have a mixed team, would also like misisons be more worthwhile andn ot jsut endless misisons and killing be the most efficent things, that is the core issue, mass killing is the answer to everything, so people choose the fastes way here. The core gameplay needsa look at, i would rather have more use for stealth, CC and Support then pure damage latley, but the game involved into thos power creep sadly. But locking things out with some complicated UI that only a few people that not like lets say Limbo use or elitiets that lock out "weak" frames and weapons in there eyes is not the asnwer i simply say here buddy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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