Warframe VS Warhammer 40k

[Loza03]

2 hours ago, Monochrome132 said:

People are seemingly forgetting something. The Man In The Wall exists. It has show that it can spawn spectres out of thin air. We dont even know how powerful it is and it seems to be on the side of the Tenno.

Bold to assume that we're not on it's side.

 

Anyway, I doubt he's substantially more powerful than the Chaos gods, in that they appear to be fairly similar kinds of entities.

[nerfinator6]

If it's all of 40k allied against all of warframe allied, 40k wins no contest.

[LOKIISMYSON]

Tenno wont stand a chance if they go for frontal assault  all out war with whole 40k universe as they will be overwhelmed with the sheer amount of forces 40k holds.

The only way a tenno could win the war is through non frontal assault and tenno aren't stupid enough to go for a full frontal assault without knowing anything about the 40k universe.

It would take some time but with the Technology advancement in warframe universe they could easily use the enemies technology as their own and even create armies through spectre technology, new warframe, new weapons, Capability to harness Abilities from other factions through helminth system.

When tenno arrives in 40k they will probably be stealthy and spend years in hiding while researching and studying every faction in 40k universe and learn how they operate, the relationship between other factions before they start chipping away the 40k universe little by little and become one of the strongest factions in 40k universe.

There is always war in 40k universe and every faction is at constant war.

So most factions will not notice the arrival of tenno if they are careful.

[peq42]

1 hour ago, LOKIISMYSON said:

Tenno wont stand a chance if they go for frontal assault  all out war with whole 40k universe as they will be overwhelmed with the sheer amount of forces 40k holds.

The only way a tenno could win the war is through non frontal assault and tenno aren't stupid enough to go for a full frontal assault without knowing anything about the 40k universe.

It would take some time but with the Technology advancement in warframe universe they could easily use the enemies technology as their own and even create armies through spectre technology, new warframe, new weapons, Capability to harness Abilities from other factions through helminth system.

When tenno arrives in 40k they will probably be stealthy and spend years in hiding while researching and studying every faction in 40k universe and learn how they operate, the relationship between other factions before they start chipping away the 40k universe little by little and become one of the strongest factions in 40k universe.

There is always war in 40k universe and every faction is at constant war.

So most factions will not notice the arrival of tenno if they are careful.

We already do make use of spectres for battles(remember solar rail wars between clans). Also, although 40k do have greater numbers, remember that we've both grineers AND sentients on our side here, both of which can not only fabricate more units to eventually match WH's but also have a lot of power in space(with the upgraded formorian ships that can one shot ships the size of cities, sentient mothers and Murexes deploying dozens of Condrixes at speeds fast enough to destroy gigantic ships while also deploying a number of smaller units that adapt to everything,etc)

[lowgrav]

the tenno cant even stop the razorback without the hacked bots taking down its sheild and if that bot gets to the relay all the tenno run and it gets wrecked i thought the tenno were so powerful how can they lose if a robot boards their relay? its just a robot right?

you know who else builds robots the W40k universe and their robots are bigger (see a titan class robot)

sure i guess the tenno in lore are powerfull but then the W40k unverse will just keep sending the imperial legion cannon fodder and not let the tenno rest there bases shelled from long range artilery their friends like cetus and fortuna and the relays destroyed the tenno will be scattered with no gatering points and cross chatter between cloaked tenno orbiters can be risky as alid V was able to capture frames for his zanuka project so even with all that fancy void power they can still be caught which can lead to tenno comms tech falling into the other sides hands so can be traced so no ship to ship communication or you will be found

[LOKIISMYSON]

Warhammer 40 k universe always at constant war with each other, there is war even within the same species so it would highly unlikely every faction will put their valuable resources in killing some edgy children and also warhammer 40k universe is vast, tenno will most likely find a place to thrive and survive without coming under lense of every faction in WH 40k.

While The cetus and all other factions might not be destroyed but be made slave by other factions and be used for thier own purposes while some who survived will flee and scatter trough out the WH40k universe.

The only real threat from warframe universe  that Warhammer 40k would face will be the infested.

 

Also tenno have not yet unlocked their full potential  we would only know how strong warframe universe abd tenno gets once it gets old as the warhammer 40k universe... 

Warframe universe and tenno right now is still weak and its infant stage while WH 40k is already grown to be very  powerful.

 

[TARINunit9]

On 2020-12-29 at 4:26 AM, lowgrav said:

you know who else builds robots the W40k universe and their robots are bigger (see a titan class robot)

True robots are absolutely banned in every sense of the word in the Imperium. Titans are not robots, they're "mecha". They use a princeps pilot and dozens of crew to function properly. Similarly, units like Skitarii and combat Servitors are actually lobotomized human cyborgs, not robots. They're nothing like a Moa, a Razorback, or worse an Animo-Ambulas

(Incidentally, the Orokin also banned machine-learning, which is why Cephalons are all digital human brains instead of AI)

What's more, a Titan wouldn't be able to actually do much of anything to a Tenno cell, and vice versa. It might be good for blowing up Fortuna, but little else; Tenno usually use aerial insertion via invisible dropships. Titans would never get the chance to fight a Tenno, and a Tenno would never even bother fighting the Titan in the first place (unless you, the player/Tenno, really wanted to)

[Loza03]

15 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:

(unless you, the player/Tenno, really wanted to)

I mean, immature, drunk on power, and minimal consequences for failure even in-lore (since Tenno are just fine so long as their Operator body is safe)... I can imagine Tenno being down for that.

[Corvid]

1 hour ago, Loza03 said:

I mean, immature, drunk on power, and minimal consequences for failure even in-lore (since Tenno are just fine so long as their Operator body is safe)... I can imagine Tenno being down for that.

Especially since boarding actions are a valid counter-strategy for Imperial titans at least.

 

On 2020-12-29 at 12:26 PM, lowgrav said:

the tenno cant even stop the razorback without the hacked bots taking down its sheild and if that bot gets to the relay all the tenno run and it gets wrecked i thought the tenno were so powerful how can they lose if a robot boards their relay? its just a robot right?

1: It's not just one robot, it's an armada.

2: Razorback fleets don't destroy Relays, they blockade them.

3: The above isn't even relevant, considering that no Razorback fleets have ever been successful.

[Loza03]

2 hours ago, Corvid said:

Especially since boarding actions are a valid counter-strategy for Imperial titans at least.

"Tenno, WHY did you destroy an Imperium titan during an Ork WAAAGH! ?"

 

"Well, first of all, I didn't even think it would work I was just doing it for fun."

[lowgrav]

5 hours ago, Corvid said:

1: It's not just one robot, it's an armada

but in the missions we fight em 1 robot at a time and can do squat without the bursas taking down its sheild so fancy void power alredy been countered by a machine 

 

21 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:

What's more, a Titan wouldn't be able to actually do much of anything to a Tenno cell, and vice versa. It might be good for blowing up Fortuna,

thats the plan destroy all tenno bases from a safe distance with overwleming firepower as griner and corprus show close quarters fights VS the tenno is not the best plan

 

but thats assuming that there is a fight at all and the transference that the tenno use to control the frames is different to what the sycic units use as many have fallen to coruption by the warp (chaos marines) if their concentration falters

[Loza03]

5 minutes ago, lowgrav said:

thats the plan destroy all tenno bases from a safe distance with overwleming firepower

The Tenno don't HAVE bases. Even the relays aren't Tenno headquarters, they're hubs for both civilian Tenno sympathisers to live in and for non-Tenno organisations to convene with and organise work for Tenno. They're nice to have and improve Tenno capabilities, but they're absolutely fine operating entirely independently, on moving starships that stay in cloak 24/7.

[lowgrav]

the solar rails are on the list of targets too

[Loza03]

2 minutes ago, lowgrav said:

the solar rails are on the list of targets too

Of course. But if we entertain the idea that they are going after a titan, we have to assume they already managed to skip a rail depedence on a level greater than just Railjacks to begin with, since they'd be stuck to one system which pretty much just loses automatically due to scale imbalance.

[MontyCulligan]

Just Infested versus Tyranids alone, Tyranids have far more types of menacing large and gigantic creatures, and then you add that they have greater sheer numbers of them, and it's not even a competition.

I would say the Tenno and Eldar are somewhat on par in terms of elite and advanced capabilities, but the numbers game greatly favors the Eldar.

[Loza03]

31 minutes ago, MontyCulligan said:

Just Infested versus Tyranids alone, Tyranids have far more types of menacing large and gigantic creatures, and then you add that they have greater sheer numbers of them, and it's not even a competition.

Infested:

(To my knowledge, the Tyrannids don't have anything to immunise them against something which can infect their very molecular structure. Remember, the infested are as much nanomachines as they are a virus.)

[TARINunit9]

5 hours ago, Loza03 said:

(To my knowledge, the Tyrannids don't have anything to immunise them against something which can infect their very molecular structure. Remember, the infested are as much nanomachines as they are a virus.)

Tyranids vs Infested is probably the most interesting matchup in this entire thread. Everything else boils down to "how big of a crusade is the Imperium sending?" (Warframe is fundamentally nothing more than one solar system, Warhammer 40k is an entire galaxy). But Tyranids vs Infested is less to do with numbers and arms, and more to do with biology and xenofiction

On one hand, you are absolutely right that the Tyranids can only evolve so fast. The 40k Life-Eater Virus is extremely "mutagenic" and adapts to new life forms quickly: an Imperial virus bomb exterminatus can wipe out an entire biosphere in less than an hour (footnote 1). That will rip through any Tyranid invasion force no matter how fast they try to adapt, even in late-stage planet control. Armies of cloned soldiers are something the Infested eat for breakfast, so entire legions of Gaunt-level Tyranids is doing nothing but feeding the Infested more combat-ready bodies to spread the infestation even faster

On the other hand, the Infested aren't perfect either. On a very bad day, Infested can rip through armadas and assimilate everything in their path, bullets and blades doing nothing to stop the spread of horrors; even the life support systems of a Warframe will succumb to spore saturation, then promptly choke and die. But on a very good day, pioneers like Garv and Latrox Une can wander around Deimos for hours -- need I remind you Deimos's forest floor is 100% infested mycelium -- and be perfectly fine the next day. Even fully infested individuals such as Alad V or the Entrati research clan have managed to halt their assimilation through sheer willpower alone

Lastly there is the matter of psychic and Void powers. The Infested HATE Void powers, as it slows or even prevents assimilation. I generally assume "the Void is the Warp," which gives a huge bonus to Tyranid psykers. But I can understand why other people in a versus debate would consider them separate dimensions, which puts Tyranid psykers on neutral ground against Infested. There's also the grey area of Ancient Disruptors and Parasite Eximi, as it's a little ambiguous exactly what they disrupt (footnote 2)

(footnote 1: but only if proper atmospheric saturation is achieved. Detonating one bomb at ground level has much less drastic effects, see the Second War for Armageddon for details)

(footnote 2: at first it's implied that Warframe powers are largely technological rather than Void-based. The Dax Orvius works very similar to Vauban's Bastille, as one of many examples. Sentients, an anti-technology race who have difficulty with the Void, have started to develop anti-Warframe energy fields seen in Valkyr Prime trailer and Orphix Venom event. Lastly, Corpus Nullifiers have almost no effect on a Zariman Child's Void Mode. However, frames like Xaku and the Umbras do have a VERY direct connection to the Void in their normal functions. And Nullifiers are able to block Transference, implying that they are able to nullify certain Void-based signals)

[Corvid]

7 hours ago, lowgrav said:

but in the missions we fight em 1 robot at a time

Yes, because there's one Razorback per ship.

7 hours ago, lowgrav said:

can do squat without the bursas taking down its sheild so fancy void power alredy been countered by a machine

And considering that IIRC said Bursas being present are needed for the Razorback's super-shield to function, this is a moot point.

Profit Taker shows that the Tenno aren't above doing prep work to render an otherwise indestructible target vulnerable.

17 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said:

at first it's implied that Warframe powers are largely technological rather than Void-based.

A lot of your examples here seem to be mistaking similar results for similar mechanisms to achieve them, or assuming that because one aspect of the Warframe is technological, their powers must also be the same.

[Loza03]

3 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:

Tyranids vs Infested is probably the most interesting matchup in this entire thread. Everything else boils down to "how big of a crusade is the Imperium sending?" (Warframe is fundamentally nothing more than one solar system, Warhammer 40k is an entire galaxy). But Tyranids vs Infested is less to do with numbers and arms, and more to do with biology and xenofiction

On one hand, you are absolutely right that the Tyranids can only evolve so fast. The 40k Life-Eater Virus is extremely "mutagenic" and adapts to new life forms quickly: an Imperial virus bomb exterminatus can wipe out an entire biosphere in less than an hour (footnote 1). That will rip through any Tyranid invasion force no matter how fast they try to adapt, even in late-stage planet control. Armies of cloned soldiers are something the Infested eat for breakfast, so entire legions of Gaunt-level Tyranids is doing nothing but feeding the Infested more combat-ready bodies to spread the infestation even faster

On the other hand, the Infested aren't perfect either. On a very bad day, Infested can rip through armadas and assimilate everything in their path, bullets and blades doing nothing to stop the spread of horrors; even the life support systems of a Warframe will succumb to spore saturation, then promptly choke and die. But on a very good day, pioneers like Garv and Latrox Une can wander around Deimos for hours -- need I remind you Deimos's forest floor is 100% infested mycelium -- and be perfectly fine the next day. Even fully infested individuals such as Alad V or the Entrati research clan have managed to halt their assimilation through sheer willpower alone

Lastly there is the matter of psychic and Void powers. The Infested HATE Void powers, as it slows or even prevents assimilation. I generally assume "the Void is the Warp," which gives a huge bonus to Tyranid psykers. But I can understand why other people in a versus debate would consider them separate dimensions, which puts Tyranid psykers on neutral ground against Infested. There's also the grey area of Ancient Disruptors and Parasite Eximi, as it's a little ambiguous exactly what they disrupt (footnote 2)

(footnote 1: but only if proper atmospheric saturation is achieved. Detonating one bomb at ground level has much less drastic effects, see the Second War for Armageddon for details)

(footnote 2: at first it's implied that Warframe powers are largely technological rather than Void-based. The Dax Orvius works very similar to Vauban's Bastille, as one of many examples. Sentients, an anti-technology race who have difficulty with the Void, have started to develop anti-Warframe energy fields seen in Valkyr Prime trailer and Orphix Venom event. Lastly, Corpus Nullifiers have almost no effect on a Zariman Child's Void Mode. However, frames like Xaku and the Umbras do have a VERY direct connection to the Void in their normal functions. And Nullifiers are able to block Transference, implying that they are able to nullify certain Void-based signals)

I think the main thing with the infested is that it's slow, but nearly unstoppable once it takes hold.  I mean, it took several years for it to claim just one planet, Eris, and they've not completely consumed places they've been in for thousands of years, namely the Derlicts. Deimos is probably a special case due to the presence of Fass and Vome's split from the hivemind, so its actual infectiveness is harder to quantify. So, a Tyrannid attack would probably initially resemble a victory for them, but once the spores begin affecting the hive fleet, there's little they could actually wind up doing to stop it. Possibly intentionally throwing themselves into a losing battle with a full legion of space marines, perhaps? But if that didn't work, now the Infested have Space Marines in them, and possibly some of the Imperium's biggest kit

The Infested are pretty mean like that. Consider how Deimos has Mutualist strain infested now, despite that being a recent development, or how the Plague Star can replicate improved versions of Lephantis. They're as much like the Zerg as a conventional zombie plague - once they've got you, they've got you forever and can make more of you. As such, every victory the Infested has makes them stronger. It's why the Tenno are so effective - even when they lose, they don't lose in a way that benefits the Infested. 40k doesn't really have that benefit, and probably wouldn't be able to get there in time.

 

Personally, I'd cite the Void and the Warp as two different dimensions, primarily because it's more interesting that way.

[TARINunit9]

12 hours ago, Corvid said:

A lot of your examples here seem to be mistaking similar results for similar mechanisms to achieve them, or assuming that because one aspect of the Warframe is technological, their powers must also be the same.

Did you read the whole footnote? Everything after that sentence sort of agrees with you

[nerfinator6]

Nothing like detonating a warp drive and deleting a planet or several.

[lhardy]

Just one word: CLEM

[peq42]

I believe that on an all out war, the tenno would do what they currently do in the origin system: Learn about this "new world" they found, pin point important targets and kill them.

Considering how the tenno are immortal and completly safe in the orbiter and the warframes can revive several times, heal, etc and theres a huge variety of frames, each having different, OP, powers, a squad of 4 could definitely track and kill any one target they desire in WH. And doing so, considering WH's numbers, chaos would spread VERY easily. Factions already hate each other in-lore, so without their commanders and important political figures, they would either fall back into attacking/blaming one another or lose their efficiency allowing for the WF factions to grow in power(mainly having them all cooperating).

 

Also imagine grineer and corpus, enhanced by both infested and sentient tech, being mass produced by both grineer clonning labs and corpus fabrics, in the battlefield. They would be a terrifying army. Oh and remember that warframes can also be enhanced by sentients too(see how stalker got much more powerful). And although the WH has advantage in space considering their sheer numbers and destructive power, sentients could just revert that to our advantage: Turning entire ships offline for some time, taking over them, and using them against WH's universe

[LOKIISMYSON]

Comparing Warframe universe to Warhammer universe is unfair.

Its like comparing a toddler with Chuck Norris.

Warframe universe is not as old as warhammer universe.

Warhammer 40k is soo strong at its current timeline is beause of the fact that its older, as due to huge amount of time in their hand Warhammer universe was able prosper and become one of the Strongest universe while warframe and the tenno has been around for a not so long time so still they are at the stage where they are still growing,and they are stronger day by day.

Wf is still at its infant stage, the tau system is still unexplored, the true power of tenno has not been unleashed yet they are still trying to control it, more warframe are to be discovered, newer faction, newer weapons. The big Ass orbiter that the tenno resides it has not been fully explored or revealed,there are so many things in Wf thats yet to be discovered.

[Fingerguns_Prime]

None of the units in Warhammer have resistance to VOID damage.

However... the Tenno have resistance to every type of damage the units in Warhammer could use.

Warframe wins.