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18 minutes ago, Jannanomana said:

for 50 waves defence or 90 min survival you dont need any guide... you know how those missions work cause of the story... This just takes time and a decent party that dont leave after 10 waves Saturn Helena...

if you weren't so newbish you would know that there were 40 wave defense and 1 hour survival challenges that the community in large hated and DE shortened them. 

Also 50 waves and 90 mins? That's a ridiculous requirement. For someone complaining about needing to be a "hardcore player" to simply catch fish you sure demand some over bearing challenges that the player base at large would hate.

Stop being a massive hypocrite 

 

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 I think that you are trolling us and that it was a pretty good one :). For the record if you are not trolling I suggest using the wiki, youtubers are "cute" but you'll get the info faster and you'll be able to play unbiaised(wich is more efficient as well actually). You must have played very S#&$ty games for 20 years to be lost in wf :).

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3 hours ago, (PS4)Gaelic-_-Flame said:

You can skip like half of the challenges, and still get to Umbra forma. Pretty sure I'll be able to get mine this week already, and we're not even half way there (according to the amount of chapters in the lower-right corner of nightwave screen)

Sure, the more you do, the quicker you'll get it, but if you see something on there that you can't do, or that is way too time consuming for you, just don't worry about it.

Legit didn't do a single daily, just weeklies (unless the daily was kill X amount/Kill X amount with viral/Run X mission which most aren't.) I did do every weekly though, and got my umbra yesterday. Almost done with NW now.

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4 minutes ago, Myscho said:

50 waves defense, trauma from Derelict defense returns

Only time 50 waves is "hard" is if you run Mot where the damage is 3x higher then normal. And 50 waves in there is 50 minutes, so... Wisp can still survive easily.

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3 minutes ago, -SoH-ViktorD said:

Only time 50 waves is "hard" is if you run Mot where the damage is 3x higher then normal. And 50 waves in there is 50 minutes, so... Wisp can still survive easily.

I dont say its hard, its memory from early days of game, waaay before Relics

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Just now, Myscho said:

I dont say its hard, its memory from early days of game, waaay before Relics

Oh S#&$, yeah if it was that long ago, then that is hard due to the different mods that came out since then. I WISH I knew about this game back then.

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Yes the biggest part plnew players don't stay is because the learning curve is Hugh and they don't want to spend the time investment to learn it. The few who do will enjoy the game. Those who cannot won't stick around long.

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Theres casual gameplay in warframe, if you want to do more, learn more and perform better.

There's casual games out there for casual players.

Why go to an environment that's obviously not for you and try to change it?

Theres people out here that can actually handle the game with no issues. We're not super smart people, we just are better than you at certain things, but always willing to give advice to weaker players. 

Ask for help for once.

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You wanna know how a casual is able to play the game? It's because the game is so simple. I've found out most of what I needed from the in-game codex when it came to drops, which I found out how to use because the game taught me. I experimented, found things that worked and what didn't over time. Nightwave takes so little time to even do. I cracked out most of my weekly missions in one play session of just a few hours. Railjack took a little bit of learning, but in the end I figured out everything I needed just by playing it and a wiki search or two to figure out what drops are where. Kuva Liches I went to the wiki to see what the ephemeras looked like.

This game is nowhere near the level of difficult you make it out to be. There is some convoluted mess to the game. But you're given a lot of room to actually experiment with things. A natural sense of exploration in the features would probably do you well.

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Warframe is known for its absolute hot garbage new player experience. This game is a lot more fun with the Warframe wiki on an alternate tab.

If you don't believe me, try explaining how the damage system works in Warframe to a new player or a player who doesn't play Warframe. It's really, REALLY HARD.

I think I could probably find a Mr 20+ player who doesn't understand how multishot effects the final damage of a weapon.

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3 hours ago, Jannanomana said:

for 50 waves defence or 90 min survival you dont need any guide... you know how those missions work cause of the story... This just takes time and a decent party that dont leave after 10 waves Saturn Helena...

 

Meanwhile just to catch ANY fish. i need to first unlock the Open World Content. then figure out where to get fishing rod, then i need to make dailys to push faction just to get fish bait and then i still have to find the correct fish... And i am not even talking about the fact that i need like 3-5 tryes for each fish catch...

So what you're saying is that you don't want to learn; you just want to sit in 1 spot, kill things and be rewarded. Sounds like a problem with the player, not the game.

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Yes the game is confusing and in parts unplayable without wiki or guides. We've complained about it for 7 years. No DE doesn't care, they think its good that you wouldn't be able to find things on your own, its a lost case.

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Pal, If you're talking about how not new user-friendly is the game I agree 100% with you. Infact I think this game could use much more tutorials instead of make studying on 3rd sites mandatory.  But... if you can't understand how lich works or even how to encounter an hydrolist after "hours and hours of videoguides" I would guess it's more your problem than the game :/

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9 hours ago, Jannanomana said:

Everytime i want to play Warframe for some hours i have to prepare days of video guides to even get started....

Current Examples:

I have 250 days of log-ins and I've never done an Eidolon hunt simply because I have not gotten interested enough to go do the research on how to do it yet.  On the flip-side, there have been enough things that were interesting enough that I have logged in for 250 days.

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Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

If you are not a hardcore dedicated Warframe Player who sleeps in the forums and on reddit this game is barely playable:

I don`t think I ever used Reddit to learn something important about Warframe and the Forums are usually more for the current "meta", bugs, complaints, ideas or easy ways to cheese something, instead of giving a complete instruction. Reading the Patch Notes and maybe reading the Wiki is usually more than enough for that.
 

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

But I still cannot complete anything in this game without need to google video guides.... Everytime i want to play Warframe for some hours i have to prepare days of video guides to even get started....

That has to be exaggerated to the point where it is impossible to take seriously? I don`t even watch videos for guides! I watched some for some Mastery Tests and even that was because it was faster than just going to Simaris and trying there. Use the Wiki, it is faster in almost all cases and gets you prepared for anything new in under ten minutes. 
Appart from that, for the love of the elder gods, read the patchnotes, or new content will be confusing and cost you more time than simply reading how it works.
 

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

Railjack missions (you need to know exactly what u are doing or you will fail)

The Railjack mission are intuitive enough (after bug fixes), that I have seen very few people struggle with it, if they start where they are supposed to start and advance through the missions. 
Yes, the different actions (Omni-Tool, Forge, Slingshot, Ordnance) could be explained much better, but they are not hard to figure out or look up on the Wiki in a few minutes.
If you go onto someone elses Railjack, that happens to be underequipped for the mission level and has no idea what s/he does, and you don`t know either, then yes, you will fail. 
Which you are supposed to do! You don`t know what you are doing and are underquipped, you fail. That is the same in basically every similar game ever.
Railjack: This takes some time, if you haven`t read up on it. Use the wiki, for this.
In short: 
Upgrade the Railjack in the Dry Dock in the Dojo (Mods, Weapons, Shields..). Use the "Dirac" that drops in Railjack missions in order to upgrade mod grids and mods.
Don`t forget to build Energy, Ordnance... after you use it in mission again in the Dojo (or in missions in the Forge, after finding ressources in the same mission).
The Omni-Tool can be used to patch breaches and hazards or to teleport from anywhere outside the Railjack into the Railjack by selecting it from the gear wheel.
Kill enemy boarding crews.
Kill crewships with the gun behind the Railjack pilot, or fly to them with Archwing, and go aboard. Hack the panel at the reactor (if it is shielded) and shoot/punch it, till it bursts into flames and a timer starts. After that timer expires, the crewship is destroyed. You don´t have to wait onboard till the timer expires, so go outside and seek the next crewship instead.
Shipkiller Platforms and similar obstacles can easily kill Railjacks. The pilot might want to park somewhere, where they can`t hit the Railjack (Behind an obstacle, a good angle...).
At least one guy goes into the Platform and does what the instruction on the left tells them, one stays outside with Archwing or Railjack and destroys the things that are marked for destruction after the guy(s) inside the platform do their thing. Repeat. Done. 
With a fully equipped Railjack, a crew of 2 people can literally do any Railjack mission easily in under ten minutes (and that is for most of them generous), provided crewships don`t take too long to spawn. 

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

Nightwave 3 - The Clue Search/Puzzle game. Even with watching a video guide took me like 10 hours to solve the puzzle

I admit, I looked that one up in the forum, because the post was already there and I spoilered myself. Took about 2 minutes to read, with pictures of the clues and an explanation how it works. I believe you, when you say, it took you ten hours, but only if that is almost exclusively the time to farm the Glass Enemies to access the puzzle and even then only if you took pauses, ignored them sometimes or failed the jump inside the puzzle several times. The puzzle is literally pictures and words you have to remember/write down and then jump to. That is less complicated than the game "memory". Low graphics or problems with sight might explain if you literally can`t see the clues, which could have been done more userfriendly, but appart from that, this "Puzzle" is a joke and the farming for it isn`t what you are supposed to be doing in one go. (And is pretty useless to do, because the Glass Enemy - spawn is on a server timer).
 

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :
  • Fish Rare fish... (I spend all my faction points to buy bait catched for 2 hours fish at the Lake every guide telling me... only to find out after 2 hours i still didnt got ONE single rare fish out of the 6)
  • Hydralist? Never seen one, Never fighted one, Dunno how to fight one.

There is a fishing guide on the wiki. I forgot every few months how to do this NW-mission and had to read it again. It takes less than five minutes to read and less than ten minutes of nighttime(PoE) or the right weather (OrbVallis) to complete with the right bait, a indicated fishing spot, the right spear and maybe dye. Rare fish are NOT "rare" occuring fish of one species, where you can get common, uncommon and rare fish (that is small, medium, large), but are distinct species of fish (for example; ALL Norg on PoE are considered rare, no matter how small or big.).

The Hydrolyst comes after you take down the other two Eidolons at night on PoE.
Konzu has a bounty for the Tridolon hunt!

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

Kuva Lich content.

  • still dunno how it works even after hours of video watching and wiki reading.

Yes, could be explained better in the game.
If you don`t get the lich system, it might help to check the wiki again, if you missed the patchnotes where they changed and explained things. DE kinda treats the game as if people read their patchnotes. If they dropped and you missed them, the Wiki is the safest bet, or you ask specific questions in the chatrooms or other players in mission, or even in the Forum. 
Short and dirty explanation for the Liches: If you run Grineer missions, there is a chance for a Larvling to spawn. If it does, the light changes for a short amaount fo time and a Kuva Guardian starts talking. If you want the Lich, you go to the Larvling and take down its HP. It will then show you in a window above it, which weapon (but not if it has an Ephemera) it has, if you kill it. If you still want it, you press "x" (or whatever button gets displayed) and you stab it automatically with your Parazon. The Lich will then claim territory in the star chart (the red fields). You can play those missions on higher levels and take out your Lichs Thralls, which make him "angrier" (=more likely to appear) and which come after killing a number of normal enemies.
In order to take the Lich actually down, you have to equip Requiem Mods in you Parazon in a specific order, which you can either guess, or wait for the "Murmur" you get for killing the Lich and his Thralls to reveal (though they don`t necessarily reveal the order of the mods).
You get the Requiem Mods by playing requiem relics, which you get by killing Thralls (they have a drop chance for them). 
After killing your lich with the right order of Requiem Mods, the option to vanquish or convert will appear. If you want him dead and his weapon in your possession, you vanquish him. If you want to have him as an ally or trade him, you convert him. 
This is not a complete guide, but i should cover the most important aspects. I agree, that this could be explained better in the game, and it was explained in DEs patchnotes. 

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

It feels like DE just want to rush content to confuse players.... And specialy the nightwave... Why i am forced to play Warframe as my 2nd Job just to get an umbral forma... And why the Nightwave missions are extremely unclear on what to do? And How to do it? Why they dont design Nightwave arround Content that Everybody can clear and understand?


I don`t know and can only speculate on this one. 
I don`t think the NW missions are hard to understand, but why they don`t design it around content that everyone can and wants to clear...
Because then there would be little point to it? I guess, Nightwave is there in order to make people play mission, they otherwise wouldn`t.
Why reward players more for things they were doing anyway? DE took time and ressources to design Nightwave and some of the rewards (free slots, Umbra Forma, cosmetics) are supposed to be incentives to play more and other things you would otherwise. They don`t have much of a reason to invest that much to develop free loot for people who don`t play longer for it. They WANT you to play their game and maybe check out mission types you otherwise wouldn`t. 
Appart from that, even if you skip like 50% of the challenges, getting to level 30 shouldn`t be a problem. 

 

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)The Neko Otaku a dit :

Or give an alternative Way to Farm Umbra Forma or Buy/Trade them with Platin. I only want ONE single Umbra Forma... ONE just one... but i will never get it... Its impossible to archive with the current system.

I agree with you on that one. 
Try doing the "easy and fast" NW missions, till they add Umbra forma back into the game for other content. 
We don`t know how long this NW season lasts, but it should be long enough, if you do the easy things and still get it, but yes, another way to farm Umbra Forma would be very welcome. 
  

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I started playing a couple years ago. Never once did I ask for help regarding mechanics, I learn't through playing around with the different elements of the game. The only thing I checked out on the wiki was lore because I thought it was interesting. I like to think that the best method for one to learn how to do something is simply through hands on practice and trial and error. This was on top of wrapping High School, working a retail job on top of working at home due to family oriented issues, and learning how to code and practicing my writing. Everyone has their own preferred methods for learning the ropes of anything really, but for some, studying is pointless as it doesn't reinforce anything.

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couldn't have said it better myself. it's one of the reasons why many new players, average players and even veterans get turned off from playing the game. for the new players many quit because they don't get good explanations ingame about the mechanics, causing them to study on forums, reddit, youtube and wiki like you said. for the average player they get turned off and put the game on ice due to the insane levels of grind now, and it has only increased in the last 2 years. the veterans leave because after they have climbed the insane grindwall the find the grass is very barebones and on arid soil aka not so much good content as just content islands. warframe shouldn't feel like a job or an exam that you are preparing for but for out of the 30 or so million players it really that way for the 29 million or so players. at best i can say that maybe 150-200k players play warframe daily including both steam and their on launchers on pc and on various consoles. only 1.5 to 3.5% did railjack, kuva lich or reached over mr 25. 

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13 hours ago, kwlingo said:

Yes the biggest part plnew players don't stay is because the learning curve is Hugh and they don't want to spend the time investment to learn it. The few who do will enjoy the game. Those who cannot won't stick around long.

He says he been playing it since like 2015 or something like that, and he's still having trouble...I don't get how you can play a game for five years on and off and not know most, if not everything about the game. Thats what gets me, he's still having touble after 5 years. Thats nuts to me.

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