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Xoris Interactions With Warframe Abilities & Exalted Weapons


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22 hours ago, [DE]Megan said:

the overwhelming Damage output of certain Warframe Abilities was not our intention with an infinite Melee Combo weapon

The Xoris didn't exactly made exalted weapons put out "overwhelming" damage output. High-dispo melee's with God-rolled rivens do. Incorrect statement basically.

 

23 hours ago, [DE]Megan said:

greatly restrictive in terms of player choice

Again, this is a lie. I choose, "CHOOSE" to use the Xoris over other meta statstick melee of choice because I wanted flexibility. I. WANTED. FLEXIBILITY. 

 

In addition to my earlier post, there are some more you can do instead of nerfing the crap out of Xoris, a glaive weapons, GLAIE weapons that are basically unused aside from mastery fodder.

1. Boost exalted weapons damage output. They are EXALTED weapons, and they're outdamaged by REGULAR weapons.

2. Allow exalted weapons full use of all mods. Bloodrush, Weeping Wounds, Gladiator set mods, etc.

3. Give exalted weapons infinite combo duration. Or initial combo count.

 

I agree with Brozime's statement that this is another knee-jerk reaction and a failure on DE to understand their players. Like how Venari's healing stance got nerfed due to an "accidental" "oversight".

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1 minute ago, -Ironheade- said:

Please DE, the Xoris does NOT „directly amplify the damage of Warframe abilities“. All it does is remove the need to struggle to keep your combo up. Any other weapon can achieve the damage amplifier the Xoris can, just not as conveniently. This change will make it literal garbage, because it will be worse than any other weapon when used with exalted abilities. 
I understand that you don‘t want high damage numbers to be easily achievable because of the upcoming Steel Path, but i highly recommend you review this nerf.

actually that last bit is also complete garbage

 

what we shouldnt be able to achieve high damage because this gamemode is supposed to be harder? isnt the point of steel path to skip to the hard part so powerful frames can shine? or is the steel path just a time sink for players to stay distracted while DE works on the next update like a bad arcade machine draining quarters 

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this is nonsense... the problem is not the xoris.. the problem is that DE is afraid of changing the actual interaction with naramon and the gladiator set... the xoris isn't the problem.
the problem is the interaction of gladiator set and such with your regular melee combo, even while sheated.

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23 hours ago, [DE]Megan said:

It's our mistake that the infinite combo resulted in these scenarios, and I understand why there is frustration around it. As said above, we didn't want to make an overwhelming nerf to Warframe abilities/Exalted weapons across the board, so we decided to only change the interaction with Xoris directly. 

Can we just get the abilities in question to be moddable and maybe while you are at it enable the acolyte mods for exalted weapons.

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Restrictive of player choice: Use Xoris for convenience or use a stat stick with high riven dispo and/or syndicate mod for maximum power.

Maximum player choice: use a stat stick with high riven dispo and/or syndicate mod or you're doing it wrong.

Seems about right...

As far as interactions with the exalted weapons/gladiator set goes, who cares? They already mostly underperform compared to decent melee weapons due to a lack of high multipliers/forced procs in their stances and being unable to use blood rush/weeping wounds. Getting 1/2 a bloodrush effect on them due to a weird work around (which the xoris did not create) doesn't change that.

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I'm a little confused by this, mostly because the xoris isn't egregiously powerful as a stat stick. Any melee with a high riven disposition is stronger. All this is going to do is push people back to using naramon for a similar benefit to what xoris provided. Xoris was the most convenient option, not the most powerful.

I used it a lot on khora and atlas, again, for convenience more than for power. All this change does is push me back to using my old stat stick and naramon, which doesn't really solve the problem you're describing.

Might be worth thinking this one through again.

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Why are you lying about all that you are doing with this nerf? You are killing a weapon for being more convienent while saying that is overpowered.

Lets nerf the weapon that makes life easier with combo duration, but leave weapons like Venka Prime untouched for 2 years. Totally balanced.

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17 hours ago, GREF_TM said:

They already buffed excal. It's called baruuk.

yeah but how about Buff Him properly so His changes from Baruuk to Excall ? 

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Xoris was a quality of life improvement over an alternative option of more damage. That's what you call player choice.

Removing an option with incorrect reasoning only serves to reduce player choice and make it look like you don't know what you are doing.

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The only thing xoris did is add some convenience for people that already used the combo meter to boost their warframe abilities, people are just going to go back to using venka prime with relentless combination or their melee that has the best riven in their inventory, which is what i did with a prisma dual cleavers and a riven i had, or even worse they'll stop usnig atlas, they'll stop using khora, excalibur etc at high level, back to mesa, saryn and the like, break off a meta that existed for a while, that players are discovering due to a never ending combo meter, so we can go back to the previous meta instead. I know everyone at DE are big fans for player choice but certain nerfs to good things can remove choice and can make a fun thing to use into a hassle instead and force players back into their old ways

and it feels like this is a reaction to the fact that hard mode is coming out, was the hard mode testing there just to see which thing needed nerfing?

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17 hours ago, Keybones said:

Because fixing something is hard, but ruining something is easy.

Oof this man just burned the whole company Truer words have never been spoken before Exactly DE

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I'd just like to add one more thing, but this time to the community:

This is what DE is doing with your money. Giving it to causes you may or may not agree, while nerfing the things you put your time, effort and even money towards

Think about that next time you wipe out your credit card. There's a lot of really, really good games out there that won't do this to you, just saying.

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23 hours ago, [DE]Megan said:

TLDR: Certain Warframe Abilities and Exalted weapons will reset the Melee Combo Counter only if the Xoris is being used.

We’ll be continuing to observe how the Xoris interacts with the above when The Steel Path Update arrives in your hands, and our apologies again for the wait. 

Thank you!

TLDR: Okay then, I want the (time and) forma (and platinum) and everything I invested into the xoris back, because this is a non-existent issue that you - DE - want to fix.

I feel like novadays the game just taking away from the players intead of giving.
(Giving but immediately taking it back after investment hurts my will to spend my time with this game.
The xoris has been out for 3 weeks.
How do you expect players to have constant enthusiasm towards your product when you are the one ruining it?)


Offside of the topic: uniforming every items in the game will make new items unappealing for the playerbase. What is the point of farming another bad/clunky eg.: melee weapon if its not fun nor convenient to use?

Thank you!

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Imagine nerfing things that are popular, but then notice your playercount bleeding. And that popular thing isnt even the meta is the sad part. But DE doesnt understand their own game, so they dont know that.

Plus, ignoring rivens because that scams all the players who invest in rivens. So essentially, you are just scamming your own playerbase plus either being incompetent or downright lying to them.

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Weapons shouldn't influence the power of Warframe?

Nerf the rivens then, DE. Put your logic to good use straight up, nerf them right now. Do it, I dare you.

 

 

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Edited by R.O.G.U.E.
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I left Warframe for a while, took a little break.  I came back, there was the Xoris and I was having sooo much fun!  And now DE, once again, says NO FUN FOR YOU!  Nerf-nerf-nerf.  Xoris is dead.

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