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Tencent on the hunt to buy Warframe? (Deal not confirmed/final)


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Please remember to keep discussion civil. No, this isn't the end of Warframe. The same sort of over-sensationalized prophesying happened 4+ years ago when Leyou (formerly Sumpo) bought shares in DE; people said it'd turn into 'all-lootboxes' and 'pay-to-win' and that DE 'would have zero control' and guess what? All bupkis.

Speculation is fine, as long as you're cognizant of the difference between opinions and facts, and as long as you're not spreading misinformation (intentionally or not). If you feel so strongly about this that want to leave the game, that's your prerogative (and loss) and is also fine.

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I am just curious if anyone has any insight with regards to what is going on with Hong Kong. I dont want to delve to much into controversy at this point, but this of course does raise a number of questions, in particularly for Digital extremes since it's owned by Leyou. Since no one is talking about it, I thought I would bring it up.

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I know DE can't stop the sale at all given they sold themselves to Leyou long ago. But the number of days that go by without DE even talking about it is deeply concerning to me and it'll only grow. I figured if they didn't say anything on monday they won't say anything this week or even for the rest of july. If they say nothing about it during Tennocon I think it'll be the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

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3 hours ago, Fire2box said:

I know DE can't stop the sale at all given they sold themselves to Leyou long ago. But the number of days that go by without DE even talking about it is deeply concerning to me and it'll only grow. I figured if they didn't say anything on monday they won't say anything this week or even for the rest of july. If they say nothing about it during Tennocon I think it'll be the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

Why should they? It’s not our business.

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30 minutes ago, (PS4)Onder6099 said:

Why should they? It’s not our business.

Kinda is.

If Tencent owns Warframe, its "Under new management." Something like that should have the courtesy to announce.

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1 minute ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Kinda is.

If Tencent owns Warframe, its "Under new management." Something like that should have the courtesy to announce.

Inclined to agree with this, honestly. A standard has been set that it's reasonable for us to expect some kind of communication regarding major events of this nature.

I find myself waffling a lot about all this, in case that wasn't already obvious.

I've been around this game since spring of '13, and enjoyed it on and off in various ways over the years. My first impulse when hearing about many of the more concerning developments (from my own perspective ofc) has historically been to step away from the game for a while and check back in some time down the road.

A Tencent acquisition would unfortunately be different for me. I can't make peace with being around this game if something like that were to happen. There would be no coming back for me; I just wouldn't feel good about myself if I did. It's one of those points where inner peace has to take priority.

That having been said, it also feels a little lame not to at least stay in orbit until a final decision is reached one way or the other. Having looked in on this game since the early days, I suppose it's only right that I be around until my personal point of no return has truly arrived.

 

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16 minutes ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Kinda is.

If Tencent owns Warframe, its "Under new management." Something like that should have the courtesy to announce.

Are we shareholders and Tennocon is General meeting? No. Just because DE is so transparent and customers friendly doesn’t automatically means that we should know about single step they will make, especially when we know 💩 about the contracts and how negotiations goes. You made a deal and I will constantly blame You for that, while I don’t how it looks like, how You will like it?

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4 hours ago, Fire2box said:

I know DE can't stop the sale at all given they sold themselves to Leyou long ago. But the number of days that go by without DE even talking about it is deeply concerning to me and it'll only grow. I figured if they didn't say anything on monday they won't say anything this week or even for the rest of july. If they say nothing about it during Tennocon I think it'll be the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

They can't talk about it yet because the sale isn't final yet. They are legally bound to silence until Tencent makes the purchase. If Tencent holds out the entire three months, then DE can't talk about it for three months. So don't expect DE to talk about it this week or next. Until Tencent and Leyou announce that the buyout is happening, DE won't be saying anything on the matter. You need to have realistic expectations.

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11 minutes ago, Fire2box said:

Why shouldn't they? 

Grinding Gear Games (Path of Exile) did an entire post when they sold themselves to Tencent. 

 

And to cap it off. DE did the very same thing when they sold themselves to Leyou. https://www.digitalextremes.com/news/2014/10/partnership-announced

After negotiations were successful and the contracts were made, so in September maybe.

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1 hour ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Kinda is.

If Tencent owns Warframe, its "Under new management." Something like that should have the courtesy to announce.

Nothing has happened yet. Leyou and Tencent are just talking at this moment. Nothing has been bought, nothing has been sold.

Therefore there is nothing to say or announce.

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I'm not aware of the "bad stuff" about Tencent that much, so I don't really feel much about them potentially buying Warframe, or rather the company that owns Warframe.


To be honest, I always thought Tencent was an alright company were they helped with development of certain mobile games. Many of them I actually found to be interesting and even enjoyable.

Regarding my thoughts about the future of Warframe, I can only hope for the best and DE will keep doing whatever they want with the game with no interference whatsoever.
Who knows? Maybe Tencent would make a mobile spin-off? I actually wouldn't mind that, honestly, as long as it's not battle royale. That's the last thing I want in Warframe

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1 hour ago, notlamprey said:

A Tencent acquisition would unfortunately be different for me. I can't make peace with being around this game if something like that were to happen. There would be no coming back for me; I just wouldn't feel good about myself if I did. It's one of those points where inner peace has to take priority.

I could not have said it better. I've been playing for less than a year, but have >1k hours (don't do the math). It's helped me deal with a rough time and I wish I had started earlier, but I can't support Tencent with a clear conscience. Most big companies have some sketch or immoral-but-legal episodes in their past, but Tencent is on a different level.

At least I'll be leaving on a high note - I'm starting to understand some of the veterans' broader frustrations, but I'm still having fun. Sucks that it has to end like this.

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22 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

I think that is likely the best solution since he's just so far out of it. Atleast someone's lawn will be neat in the end.

Yes according to you. The impact will be reflected over the customers. Lets wait that such thing never happen. Tencent will push the knobs for sure. 

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13 hours ago, Fire2box said:

I know DE can't stop the sale at all given they sold themselves to Leyou long ago. But the number of days that go by without DE even talking about it is deeply concerning to me and it'll only grow. I figured if they didn't say anything on Monday they won't say anything this week or even for the rest of july. If they say nothing about it during Tennocon I think it'll be the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

Pretty much. 

That reiterates that something is not on the right tracks as I expected. DE is way too tight lipped about this situation without saying a word. 

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6 hours ago, Neurohax said:

I could not have said it better. I've been playing for less than a year, but have >1k hours (don't do the math). It's helped me deal with a rough time and I wish I had started earlier, but I can't support Tencent with a clear conscience. Most big companies have some sketch or immoral-but-legal episodes in their past, but Tencent is on a different level.

At least I'll be leaving on a high note - I'm starting to understand some of the veterans' broader frustrations, but I'm still having fun. Sucks that it has to end like this.

Precisely. DE knows about the potential backlash that such move represents. What scares me the most is that they threw this topic under the rug few times. I would be really worried if they say nothing in Tennocon. If that happens then you know what will follow next. I haven't heard anyone in DE talking about the subject or explaining how things will work from now on. DE at least must say something. 

 

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10 hours ago, Fire2box said:

Why shouldn't they? 

Grinding Gear Games (Path of Exile) did an entire post when they sold themselves to Tencent. 

 

And to cap it off. DE did the very same thing when they sold themselves to Leyou. https://www.digitalextremes.com/news/2014/10/partnership-announced

That is because GGG had no parent company at the time. They went into the deal personally. Just like DE at the time had no parent company. Now DE and GGG are subsidiaries, so in this case DE cant say anything since the deal isnt between them and Tencent, it is between Leyou and Tencent, involving several studios under Leyou. Not sure why people think this is some direct deal with DE.

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21 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Not sure why people think this is some direct deal with DE.

Probably because of the thread title, if I'm being honest.

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2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

That is because GGG had no parent company at the time. They went into the deal personally. Just like DE at the time had no parent company. Now DE and GGG are subsidiaries, so in this case DE cant say anything since the deal isnt between them and Tencent, it is between Leyou and Tencent, involving several studios under Leyou. Not sure why people think this is some direct deal with DE.

That's true. 

DE can't do anything about it. 

DE should speak up about the situation and how we are going to be affected by it. 

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14 hours ago, OniDax said:

They can't talk about it yet because the sale isn't final yet. They are legally bound to silence until Tencent makes the purchase. If Tencent holds out the entire three months, then DE can't talk about it for three months. So don't expect DE to talk about it this week or next. Until Tencent and Leyou announce that the buyout is happening, DE won't be saying anything on the matter. You need to have realistic expectations.

If they can't even utter the word Tencent when they aren't even owned by them then it's likely already to late for any PR recover. 

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1 hour ago, Felsagger said:

That's true. 

DE can't do anything about it. 

DE should speak up about the situation and how we are going to be affected by it. 

How can they speak up and tell us how we'll get affected when they arent involved in the deal? They cant know anything yet since there is a long time before the agreement is made, then there is even more time before the deal is actually finalized. What can they possibly tell us?

10 minutes ago, Fire2box said:

You real need an army of strawmen?

What strawmen? The deal isnt between DE and Tencent, this is about several different studios possibly being overtaken in the deal. We dont even know if DE will actually be part of the deal, it is all speculations and nothing else. Just as when Fox got "bought up" by Disney, they retained several studios in the deal, we dont know what exact parts of Leyou that will be sold or if the whole thing stays as Leyou but as a subsidiary of Tencent.

So the whole idea about DE speaking about it when they possibly cant know is just silly.

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2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

How can they speak up and tell us how we'll get affected when they arent involved in the deal? They cant know anything yet since there is a long time before the agreement is made, then there is even more time before the deal is actually finalized. What can they possibly tell us?

 

Once the deal is over we will know how things will unfold. 

 

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18 hours ago, (PS4)Onder6099 said:

Are we shareholders and Tennocon is General meeting? No. Just because DE is so transparent and customers friendly doesn’t automatically means that we should know about single step they will make, especially when we know 💩 about the contracts and how negotiations goes. You made a deal and I will constantly blame You for that, while I don’t how it looks like, how You will like it?

It baffles me how many players think they are shareholders of DE. Heck, some partners were demanding to have some authority in how the game is going and got angry when they were not heard. I guess that if I go to a Disney Park for vacation every year I get a stock/share of the company (sarcasm).

Even founders are not considered shareholders. They did give initial investment but it was clear in the registration that it was to gather capital (money) for the game, and nowhere in the docs it was stated that they would get any kind of control over DE, except maybe for the Design Council, but they both are not considered shareholders.

There are 2 main types of shareholders: those who only get profit; and those who get profit and control over the company.

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