Tencent on the hunt to buy Warframe? (Deal not confirmed/final)

[tzaeru]

7 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

War Frame survived seven years being a small budgeted game. The idea behind War Frame was strong enough to endure all that time.

Warframe's development started in 2011 and the first release was in 2013. In 2014 Digital Extremes, the developer of Warframe, was bought by a company now called Leyou, for a price of $71 million dollars. Leyou's revenue is around $100 millions. Majority of that is related to Warframe.

These aren't small numbers. Part of the motivation that DE gave for selling to Leyou was to secure better funding for the game. Warframe's a big budget game.

[Felsagger]

1 minute ago, SneakyErvin said:

You actually deviated the thread when you commented on my wording, since the part you quoted was on topic regarding the reasons for censorship in certain parts of the world. So dont tell others to not go off topic when you start it all on your own.

By the way, nice to meet you Mr. Kettle, or is it Mr. Pot?

Another off topic post. 

The thread is about a company's acquisition, a bid, DE and War Frame. 

[Felsagger]

5 minutes ago, tzaeru said:

Warframe's development started in 2011 and the first release was in 2013. In 2014 Digital Extremes, the developer of Warframe, was bought by a company now called Leyou, for a price of $71 million dollars. Leyou's revenue is around $100 millions. Majority of that is related to Warframe.

These aren't small numbers. Part of the motivation that DE gave for selling to Leyou was to secure better funding for the game. Warframe's a big budget game.

Everybody is aware of DE's game history. You are preaching to the choir. You are not saying anything new. 

The game concept started with a small budget. It went strong because the idea worked for them. The initial budget was 10 millions. 

[Angwah]

Just now, Felsagger said:

Moving goalposts now? 

Sorry but you don't even have any debate skills.You selected inconsistent interactions.Your own doing established your biased brand here. This is a conversation you should sustain with someone else since you lack the capacity to sustain a debate. 

Have a nice day. 

Says the guy who keeps running to and fro carrying the goal. Seriously, go read my posts, I have always spoken about them being incorporated on the Cayman Islands. I have even called it their fiscal headquarters several times. You are the one who posted about their building in Shenzen, obviously unaware of what fiscal seats are.

And you may have noticed that the last dozen of pages on this thread I have always been on point of one particular topic: Tencent is not owned, nor run by the CCP. That is the extent of my position. 

That you and others have migrated from "outright controlled by the CCP" to "close ties with the CCP" and now to "Close ties with China", well, that is indeed moving goalposts.

[tzaeru]

Just now, Felsagger said:

Everybody is aware of DE's game history. You are preaching to the choir. You are not saying anything new. 

But you claimed that Warframe "survived seven years being a small budgeted game".

What time period are you exactly talking about? And what exactly is your limit for a small budget, given that Warframe's total budget and total revenue is in hundreds of millions by now?

[SneakyErvin]

2 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

Another off topic post. 

The thread is about a company's acquisition, a bid, DE and War Frame. 

Commenting on such things does not make your post more on-topic.

One thing also for you Fel. With your utter hatred towards Tencent you may wanna give up your support of Sony since Sony have ties with Tencent when it comes to the music industry through Tencent Music aswell as Spotify. They are also investing in Epic games, while also looking to invest in a chinese company with ties to Tencent.

So how much morals do you have in comparison to your simple need of S#&$ posting?

[Felsagger]

1 minute ago, tzaeru said:

But you claimed that Warframe "survived seven years being a small budgeted game".

What time period are you exactly talking about? And what exactly is your limit for a small budget, given that Warframe's total budget and total revenue is in hundreds of millions by now?

The game initially started with a small budget. The idea of Warframe became profitable attracting investors. It's very simple to understand. DE was an indie developer that gained access to the big leagues. Who placed them? Their talent. War Frame. That's the whole idea. 

[Angwah]

1 minute ago, Felsagger said:

The game initially started with a small budget. The idea of Warframe became profitable attracting investors. It's very simple to understand. DE was an indie developer that gained access to the big leagues. Who placed them? Their talent. War Frame. That's the whole idea. 

You are not answering Tzaeru's question. Seven years is the entirety of the open beta. Obviously WF is not an indie game on a small budget now, so which seven years of surviving on a small budget were you referring to?

[Felsagger]

6 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

That is called having double standards though. You cant let something slip only when it suits you. It is the same company involved in the end, so if you dont think it will fly here, you should reconsider other things you enjoy where this company is involved aswell.

Going off topic again. 

The discussion here is about a company's acquisition, a bid, DE and War Frame. You obviously can't admit that people has a different opinion than yours. It's ok. We can live another day and think about it. 

The skepticism is nothing that I invented. It's not fear mongering, it's not hate, it's not prejudice as many coin up with such scapegoat words. The concern exists because there are precedents. There are situations and there are tendencies. 

Who doesn't care for a better future for War Frame. The game right may be around a budget of 200.000.000 of US dollars. It started as a small 10,000,000 budget. That's tiny in comparison to the Bugdet of Horizon Zero Dawn or Insomniac Spider Man. DE was an indie developer who managed to put War Frame on the map for seven years. They placed all their bets in it. It's not their only game but the game that is making them popular in the industry. 

We watched that growth. We watched and suffered the ups and downs with the game. It will be painful to watch them go down when they are incapable of stirring the boat because they can't take decisions.That hurts.  

[Shadow121971]

1 hour ago, Angwah said:

Says the guy who keeps running to and fro carrying the goal. Seriously, go read my posts, I have always spoken about them being incorporated on the Cayman Islands. I have even called it their fiscal headquarters several times. You are the one who posted about their building in Shenzen, obviously unaware of what fiscal seats are.

And you may have noticed that the last dozen of pages on this thread I have always been on point of one particular topic: Tencent is not owned, nor run by the CCP. That is the extent of my position. 

That you and others have migrated from "outright controlled by the CCP" to "close ties with the CCP" and now to "Close ties with China", well, that is indeed moving goalposts.

even member of the government own property outside of China, and many of them have their families living outside of the country, but most government leaders have property in other countries but don't hid their family or money their. Also the Cayman Islands have in the past bean a place to hid or launder wealth. So this still doesn't prove that they have no direct relationship with the ccp. I think the main concern here is that if the ccp continues with its actions we will all loss our writes to have these diabetes.

[Angwah]

25 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

The discussion here is about a company's acquisition, a bid, DE and War Frame. You obviously can't admit that people has a different opinion than yours. It's ok. We can live another day and think about it. 

The skepticism is nothing that I invented. It's not fear mongering, it's not hate, it's not prejudice as many coin up with such scapegoat words. The concern exists because there are precedents. There are situations and there are tendencies. 

Oh, let us review those 'concerns' we have seen passing through here:

- Tencent is controlled by the CCP.

- Tencent, not the CCP, censors China and bans games.

- Tencent will turn WF into spyware.

- Tencent will aggressively monetize WF.

- Tencent is Chinese. Sorry, has 'close ties' with China.

Did I forget anything? Anyway, the above is textbook baseless fearmongering, with a liberal helping of prejudice.

That they are not the CCP's corporate arm/Department of Censorship has been proven the satisfaction of any who are not fully invested in believing the opposite no matter the facts.

Where are the other precedents? The censoring of games outside China? The aggressive monetizing of games they acquired? 

[Angwah]

14 minutes ago, Shadow121971 said:

even member of the government own property outside of China, and many of them have their families living outside of the country, but most government leaders have property in other countries but don't hid their family or money their. Also the Cayman Islands have in the past bean a place to hid or launder wealth. So this still doesn't prove that they have no direct relationship with the ccp. I think the main concern here is that if the ccp continues with its actions we will all loss our writes to have these diabetes.

The other proof would be the list of shareholders, of which the top 10 was already posted. It's a publicly traded company, and who owns it is not some dark, hidden secret. We can all buy Tencent shares should we want to do so.

Anyway, I'll spoil the surprise: it's all well known venture capitalists from all over the world, and 1 Chinese guy who was one of the founders. He holds less than one third of the shares of the largest shareholder, Nasper, who holds a whopping 30%. Nasper is from South Africa and, no, is definitely not controlled by the CCP.

[SneakyErvin]

44 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

It's not fear mongering,

Actually that is exactly what it is since it is based on fear with no foundation in facts. There are no actual precedents for this matter.

And since you bring up the CCP, it is not off topic when I tell you that other products you use are also tied to that imaginary connection to the CCP, including your beloved Sony. You just pile that S#&$ up in bigger and bigger stacks throughout this thread.

Your "It's not fear mongering" claim is worth a bur, a kek and a lol.

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Actually the President of America tried to close the borders, but he was called racist for that. Meanwhile the World Health Organization said that China had everything under control. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/610846/

I can pull up about 40 articles saying otherwise

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Except China censors everyone the are able too. 

They censor Winnie the Pooh in China, South Park, anything that doesn't paint communism and socialism in any other light then the massive failure that it is, while the average citizen is controlled in nearly every aspect of their life. 

China would love to own the world, that's why they enjoy buying capitalist companies, that did well under capitalism. Like Warframe! 

Again but they can’t.

and China isn’t buying warframe a multinational company is. Lad people have literally show you who owns tencent yet you still claim “ China this” “China that”

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Sorry, but your lying, and I'm smarter then that. But at that point, the Corona Virus was most likely already in America. The Chinese government isn't known for being honest, since they only care about control. 

That's why they censor people, so the truth never gets out- 
 

As an American who I’m experienced it first hand our president ignored advisory for months. Was caught doing it and blamed it on China 10x

the Chinese-government is dishonest and known for lying true

our president ignored such to until people were game ended for how many months?

and how would China censor an internal affair happening in another country.

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Wrong. I disagree with Sjws fundamentally speaking. 

Sjws love censoring others they don't agree with. Meanwhile, I do not believe in censorship, nor will I support anyone or anything that rejects freedom of speech. 

For example, I believe in your right to speak, about anything, no matter how stupid it is. 

Doesn't change how stupid it is, you have the right to speak. Even when not a single thing you have said has been true. (Like now

Your practicing their same backwards logic you condem actually “you’re wrong my opinion is right. Your information is wrong and my information is right” 

youre blidnly following your status quo because you don’t care to look at things objectively because it’s not your truth. 

Youre masking it in “freedom of speech” yet you don’t care about that you care about “you’re opinion being right “ 

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Hilarious. Actually, I couldn't care less. 

Hey, tell me how funny the Chinese sweat shops are. I'm sure its a hoot. I'm laughing so hard. No really. 

 

You asked. Don’t get snarky when I answer buckaroo

oh and you seem to think they are super fun and care a lot using a phone with parts again manufactured where? 

 

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

Actually China did. See China censors anything they can't control, so they make their own companies, that they allow instead of Western Companies. 

Tencent for example exists because China censors the internet, stuff like google, and purposely propped up Tencent to do stuff like what Steam does. 

Tencent runs the Chinese equivalent of Steam btw. 

Mhm yeah okay yeah.

now they do censor things they can’t control or do not like nobody is disagreeing on this. But tencent wasn’t solely made by tencent and brought to power by them it was a multinational effort.

you also forget tencent has been actively cutting ties and servering a lot of business done in China due to the amount of money they lose in that region. MHW being a prime example. 

They own we games yes. Because China allows it to operate 

read that list of chinese owned companies. Is we games there?  Or tencent??

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

DE could sell to anyone in the world. If that company supported Censorship, I would be against it.

So you’re agaisnt them selling to Sony nintendo and the latter two companies who are notorious for censoring opinions they don’t like? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boundingintocomics.com/2019/04/23/sony-confirms-existence-of-strict-content-censorship-policy-regarding-playstation-4-releases/amp/

How several games are censored to get into japan as well? And Changed vice versa to fit the global stores? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regionally_censored_video_games

Omega Labyrinth Z - Release outside of Japan was blocked by Sony

 

Nekopara Vol. 1 - The PS4 release is censored by Sony's decision due to its sexual content. As a result, the PS4 version received an "E" rating by the ESRB by comparison to how the game received an "M" rating on the Nintendo Switch and Steam

there is more lol.

so by your own logic you don’t support any major gaming company because ALL practice censorship on a global level.yet you only see tencent as the bad one. ?

4 hours ago, (PS4)UltraKardas said:

must be the world's first person who was born in multiple countries. 

I said I'd be fine if Sony bought Warframe, is Nintendo, or Microsoft bought warframe, or if Warframe never sold to anyone. 

I’m speaking because you seem to suooort the American govement so well while excusing everyone else’s acts of censorship but chinas sad lad 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

4 hours ago, Felsagger said:

I see that you edited your post two times. Looks like you are not in control anymore hammering your keyboard in angst and anger. Sorry but pressing the keys randomly in your keyboard will not produce smart replies. It doesn't work that way. 

Let me borrow few words.

"I don't roll in the mud to please the pigs", Sweat Shawp. "You chose inconsistent interactions, and in doing so established your brand here, and it is not to my taste. "

Have a nice day. 

Oh it was just to fix spelling errors since I know a few of you lads like to pick out spelling.

non the less I’m calm. You seem to be avoiding the topic at hand at going off this platform to discuss things like this.

so I’m a pig now jeez. Remember the whole insult thing that got you in trouble with a lot of us?

and I’m having a great day. Got into day trading and have been making a lot of money since ! Why would I get upset at someone who I could buy out if I liked 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

3 hours ago, Felsagger said:

Problem with your reasoning. 

 

If Tencent values their independence why they remain installed in China? 

That defeats your whole argument, entirely. 

America still trades with China on multiple resources why are we still doing business with them. Many American companies outsource to China and etc. morally every country in the world is wrong by these standards 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

6 hours ago, Felsagger said:

Would you stay in China if the government tries to control your assets and your people or make you lose money so often? 

Answer. No. 

They can be located elsewhere and work their market in China. 

The thing is a lot of there assets that are successful aren’t sourced in China. So they don’t have to move to make money. You do realize  this is a company who dosent like spending money and often then not if they aren’t loosing way to much it’s more cost effective to keep your building in the same place 

[Felsagger]

4 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Actually that is exactly what it is since it is based on fear with no foundation in facts. There are no actual precedents for this matter.

And since you bring up the CCP, it is not off topic when I tell you that other products you use are also tied to that imaginary connection to the CCP, including your beloved Sony. You just pile that S#&$ up in bigger and bigger stacks throughout this thread.

Your "It's not fear mongering" claim is worth a bur, a kek and a lol.

I never brought up the CCP. You don't pay attention to the board. 

Again you go off topic for the fourth time. Don't accuse me about something that I was not the author of it. I am not the one who brought up fear mongering here. My only concern was the parent company and the reputation it has. That is it. A company who has a different agenda other than game development, quality will not be in their list of priorities. You simply can't have this type of conversation. It's too much for you. You get confused way too often. 

 

 

[(PSN)Jason_V_Jade]

Soooo I take it the Mods cleaned out all the negative things done by tencent, they shouldn't try to cover up tencent's bad behavior as it does have everything to do with the topic at hand as it shows why people distrust or even hate tencent such as when they threw their weight around which caused the whole blizzard/ea debacle in the first place and the very pro-china statement released by EA.

 

Even a blind man can see that tencent is a Chinese company no matter how much disinformation is thrown out there.

[SneakyErvin]

51 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

I never brought up the CCP. You don't pay attention to the board. 

Again you go off topic for the fourth time. Don't accuse me about something that I was not the author of it. I am not the one who brought up fear mongering here. My only concern was the parent company and the reputation it has. That is it. A company who has a different agenda other than game development, quality will not be in their list of priorities. You simply can't have this type of conversation. It's too much for you. You get confused way too often. 

 

 

You did earlier, but your post got removed by the mods. This was after the mod had already cleaned up the thread once and posted that nice info banner up top aswell.

edit: And you keep fear mongering in this post, by claiming there is some specific reputation etc. Yet have no proof of it. That "reputation" comes from earlier fear mongering elsewhere online and nothing else.

[Felsagger]

4 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

You did earlier, but your post got removed by the mods. This was after the mod had already cleaned up the thread once and posted that nice info banner up top aswell.

edit: And you keep fear mongering in this post, by claiming there is some specific reputation etc. Yet have no proof of it. That "reputation" comes from earlier fear mongering elsewhere online and nothing else.

False. 

I never spread fear or related the CCP with Tencent. You are confusing posts. Sorry but you are simply out of the loop. 

 

[SneakyErvin]

3 minutes ago, Felsagger said:

False. 

I never spread fear or related the CCP with Tencent. You are confusing posts. Sorry but you are simply out of the loop. 

 

That is easy to claim when you've had those posts removed. I'm not the first here to call you out on it.

[Felsagger]

27 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

That is easy to claim when you've had those posts removed. I'm not the first here to call you out on it.

And you keep going off topic doing a 'prosecution'. 

The evidence doesn't exist. I never posted anything related between those two subjects. You are simply lying. Sorry but I have to call you out on that. 

 

[BlueGuy13]

Oh no, me hate chinese. Chinese bad. Down with the chinese

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

3 minutes ago, BlueGuy13 said:

Oh no, me hate chinese. Chinese bad. Down with the chinese

你討厭中國人嗎？ 審查他！