What do you find out as a Tenno when playing other games?

[844448]

Being dragged by my friends to play GTA V since it was free on epic, I realize something as a Tenno in heart

1. Co-op sucks and might be impossible in warframe

Co-op is such a pain since you have to make sure everything runs perfectly and a mission can fail just from a mistake your teammate did.

This is further reinforced that we have complaints about people not understanding what they want when they don't want to communicate. Not to mention public sortie spy is hell by many that it's better to run it solo so having trial back? Heh

2. I miss my power instantly

Being a human character, you are weak as heck and even the heaviest armor gone in 3 or 4 bullets especially when against NOOSE and you need heavy utility vest to avoid taking too much damage at the expense not being able to run and my mind was raging with "man, can't I at least get into my Excalibur and wreck these fools?"

3. The grind in warframe is pretty casual

To get a facility, the cheapest is around 1 million and you get only around 100k on heist, not to mention the upgrades and cargo is a risky thing where you can easily see a high level player wrecking you to steal your cargo

4. I'm a sucker for fashion

That Yusuf Amir finish is just irresistible and not a big deal to spend 50k for that sweet, sweet skin

What do you realize when you play other games?

[(PSN)NoTrollGaming]

imo grind in warframe isnt that casual, wayyy too much RNG

[0_The_F00l]

Me playing a different game: Why cant this character bullet jump , *loading for a few seconds* oh right bullet jump is not a universal concept.

[vegetosayajin]

16 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

Me playing a different game: Why cant this character bullet jump , *loading for a few seconds* oh right bullet jump is not a universal concept.

this, yes!
the movement is insanely addicting 
first time I got some little feel for the freedom was from prototype and wf got it on a whole new level

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

32 minutes ago, 844448 said:

Being dragged by my friends to play GTA V since it was free on epic, I realize something as a Tenno in heart

1. Co-op sucks and might be impossible in warframe

Co-op is such a pain since you have to make sure everything runs perfectly and a mission can fail just from a mistake your teammate did.

This is further reinforced that we have complaints about people not understanding what they want when they don't want to communicate. Not to mention public sortie spy is hell by many that it's better to run it solo so having trial back? Heh

2. I miss my power instantly

Being a human character, you are weak as heck and even the heaviest armor gone in 3 or 4 bullets especially when against NOOSE and you need heavy utility vest to avoid taking too much damage at the expense not being able to run and my mind was raging with "man, can't I at least get into my Excalibur and wreck these fools?"

3. The grind in warframe is pretty casual

To get a facility, the cheapest is around 1 million and you get only around 100k on heist, not to mention the upgrades and cargo is a risky thing where you can easily see a high level player wrecking you to steal your cargo

4. I'm a sucker for fashion

That Yusuf Amir finish is just irresistible and not a big deal to spend 50k for that sweet, sweet skin

What do you realize when you play other games?

It's not hard for me to play other games as the character I'm given personally. Lately it's been star wars Jedi fallen order, and I really feel like a jedi (surprise surprise lol), I play red dead 2 with my brother and his wife, and I genuinely feel like a badass cowboy who settles things with their firsts. The point is i play alot of games, so it's easy for me to not see myself as a Tenno when not playing warframe. It's not the only game I play despite putting a 1k+ hours into it.

[(PSN)Wil_Shatner_face]

20 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

Me playing a different game: Why cant this character bullet jump , *loading for a few seconds* oh right bullet jump is not a universal concept.

This. Warframe has pretty much ruined other games for me for the time being. I used to be an avid COD player, tried playing recently and couldn’t stand moving so slow. It was practically unplayable. Same with Overwatch but to a lesser degree.

I’m about to buy Ghost of Tsushima but I dont think single player games will have the same effect. At least I sure hope not.

[HoustonDragon]

Clearly Tenno are the futuristic inheritors of the Assassin's Creed. Or else they're all Batman :P

[JackHargreav]

From Vanquish I learned that less is more.

That game has a nice light arcade feel to it. I wish warframe would be more focused and fully develop the new game modes before moving on.

But at the same time there isn't a single game with such an incredible amount of freedom. The only thing missing is a crew for your ship and I guess a love interest. Tho the latter is not possible since we are kids. Hundred years old kids. But kids non the less.

[Aldain]

Me playing literally any other game: "Man I'm glad this game doesn't have stupid Riven Mod drama!".

[Loza03]

11 minutes ago, 844448 said:

1. Co-op sucks and might be impossible in warframe

Co-op is such a pain since you have to make sure everything runs perfectly and a mission can fail just from a mistake your teammate did.

This is further reinforced that we have complaints about people not understanding what they want when they don't want to communicate. Not to mention public sortie spy is hell by many that it's better to run it solo so having trial back? Heh

Advanced Co-op, yeah, probably.

Basic co-op like you see in Monster Hunter, where it's more 'you happen to be good at things other players aren't good at' on the other hand, I still believe is realisable.

15 minutes ago, 844448 said:

2. I miss my power instantly

Being a human character, you are weak as heck and even the heaviest armor gone in 3 or 4 bullets especially when against NOOSE and you need heavy utility vest to avoid taking too much damage at the expense not being able to run and my mind was raging with "man, can't I at least get into my Excalibur and wreck these fools?"

I mean... yeah?

GTA's a whole different brand of Power Fantasy. I've not played it, but it's about the power fantasy of not being constrained by laws and human societal structure. For that to land the game needs to sell that you are a normal human who would normally abide by those laws. There's a reason why people constantly poke fun at Batman for dressing up as a bat, but nobody questions Superman dressing up as the American flag - ones a (physically) normal person, the other one is a demigod alien, the human behaving in a way that's questionable for humanity sticks out more. 

Meanwhile, I'm still feeling really bloody powerful in Titanfall, pilot or titan, and of note, I feel way faster, despite the fact that Arcane Consequence is a mainstay of my kit letting me easily match or surpass the speed and agility of any given pilot, especially one that sucks at moving around as much as I do. Aside from the fact that the maps are just simply designed for you to move fast in, which very few in Warframe are, getting a one-up on a titan and beating the hastiest of retreats feels awesome. Honestly, in general, Titanfall has me utterly convinced of the 'Anchoring Heuristic' theory of power fantasy. Coming out of a fight where literally every possible odd was against me and not only coming off even, but better? That's certainly more of a power trip for me than running a literal Aimbot whilst having 90% damage resistance.

[Artekkor]

Probably that Warframe isn't really a well-designed game and lacks depth.

And by that i mean not "Badly" designed but rather "Simplistic". Our character is way too free, way too quick, way too mobile and ultimately way too powerful. Basically there are barely enough constraints on our character, and honestly i always found myself more gravitating towards games with limits - all the Dark Souls, Sekiros and whatever other games where you get your ass kicked on a regular basis and where gameplay has some kind of meaning and depth, as opposed to warframe casual carnage for the sake of carnage.

Related to that - the warframe's coop is also ultimately useless. Its not a cooperation, its more of a 4 nukes silently arguing about who gets to go off first. Which is not a form of coop i find... preferable.
Been a long-time advocate that we should reduce amount of players in a session from 4 to 3. Four tenno is too much power - i can literally just go afk and watch youtube and nothing will be different for the other 3 guys. If anything, they'll just have more enemies to kill and enjoy the game more instead of having to watch me kill-steal their targets.
Its not even like i'm saving them ammo or anything. We have infinite sources of both ammo and energy if we want to. I'm literally JUST kill-stealing. Saving them the trouble. Stealing their gameplay.
As compared to, lets say, L4D where getting separated from the squad is a potential death sentence - you only need to get grabbed by one of the special infected and that's that.
And any zombie i didn't shoot is 1 bullet saved for the next one when the horde comes.
Now THAT is co-op.

Here's the thing: i NEVER missed playing warframe. I like to play it, but i never miss it. I never daydream about going back and shooting another 30 grineer with a kuva karak or something, unlike lets say Sekiro where occasionaly i just remember fighting some mini-boss (not even a boss) and just wanna do it all again.

Warframe is not even that great of a shooter too. I'm a big sucker for anything that has guns, but there's just something missing here... When compared to something like Titanfall 2 or... Star Wars: Battlefront (the originals) there's just something missing here that doesn't make it feel quiet as good. The guns don't have as much punch as i want them to, enemies are apathetic to taking damage and there's always this annoying race if i don't nuke this guy with my Kuva Drakgoon right now - the other guy is gonna do it with his Bramma. A race that i ineviatably give up on and do something else... Like watching youtube in the steam overlay and occasionaly popping back into the game to give the team a Roar buff.

I guess the main lesson here is that i like the games with stakes more. And that Warframe doesn't have any stakes. Stakes are defined by difference between lows and highs. And as it stands... Warframe doesn't have any lows. Its just highs. And when everything is high - nothing is actually high. Its just normal. The bland mediocrity.
"Oh boy, i massacred another squad of 20 grineer while they could barely scratch me... That's 50th time in this mission alone. What a joy."

The only thing that keeps me here is the aesthetics, the lore and the checklists. Get all the guns, get all the mastery EXP, max out all the mods...
I play for the check-check on a list and a pretty picture on the screen, not so much the gameplay itself. And its worrying me...
And - of course - a little bit of that sunken cost fallacy. I didn't bought all those skins for nothing, right? Gotta get that value back...

Oh well. Still a pretty good and enjoyable way to spend those 2 early morning hours before work. Just must not give it too much thought... Just shoot that grineer... Just shoot him good...

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

1 hour ago, (PS4)NoTrollGaming said:

imo grind in warframe isnt that casual, wayyy too much RNG

True. I don't mind the grind itself, more so the RNG nature of it. A token system like with Arbitrations has been far more bearable. You have to put in the time and effort, but there's always a clear end in sight even if you know you're not even half way there yet.

[Mr.ToastForPresident]

Why does it seem like everytime people compare Warframe to other games, they be like "lol, why cant i bullet jump in this game XD" and continue to buy more grounded shooters. Like ???? what were you expecting.

I recently played through Sunset Overdrive on PC, and wish that Warframe had a more fluid movement system like in that game. Going from point A to B in that game felt so good as you could grind on any railed surface, bounce around on most objects, and dash to keep your momentum felt really good. Movement is also very incentivized as you could easily get rushed down in that game, but you can still keep track of the action while moving at high speeds. Warframe feels stilted in comparison, and movement during combat in warframe juist makes you lose track of your targets easier.

I also think Warframe could do with more unique weapons like what Destiny 2 does with its exotics. Most weapons in Warframe are mostly the same, just point and shoot with very little variety, while IN D2, you can have entire builds based around certain weapons you bring.

Ive also been playing Hades, a surprisingly fun action roguelike with tons of variety per run. I think one of the features of that game i like the most that i think Warframe could implement is a modifiable difficulty system that rewards you for increasing the difficulty for yourself. The difficulty options include different types of buffs on enemies, increased spawns, damage mitigation, timers, faster attacks, different boss attacks, etc. Each run grants you reward for how high the difficulty you put, which goes into upgrades or base cosmetics.

Another game i played is Stardew Valley, and tbh i wished that game had bullet jump so i wouldnt waste time going to my farm to the village.

Theres also Helltaker, Warframe could use some sharply dressed demon girls. Also Arknights, cause im stuck in gacha hell.

[Cloud]

1 hour ago, (PS4)NoTrollGaming said:

imo grind in warframe isnt that casual, wayyy too much RNG

I disagree. There are parts of Warframe grind which are frustrating (riven as best example) but for the rest, I find warframe perfect for casual gaming. People who say Warframe has an harsh RNG and grind never tried an actual terrible grind game in their lives.

[844448]

19 minutes ago, Mr.ToastForPresident said:

Arknights, cause im stuck in gacha hell.

KO~ KO~ DA~ YO~

[(PSN)deathwolfclaw666]

Co-op is good when with friends (although depending on the game we may also try to kill each other for the fun of it) and if one of us doesn't understand or know about something we can explain it.

A couple of days ago I had to put up with a player complaining about me using Limbo's 4th in a Syndicate mission. After a bit of back a forth I established that they weren't using any loot mods not realising that they show marks on the map as container icons nor did they know that Limbo's 4th cracks open containers making it easier to see marks.

1 hour ago, 844448 said:

To get a facility, the cheapest is around 1 million and you get only around 100k on heist, not to mention the upgrades and cargo is a risky thing where you can easily see a high level player wrecking you to steal your cargo

Try to get a Solo Public Lobby (A public session where you're on your own) by hitting "find new session a few times", watch a TV in the hopes that people leave or there might be a trick for PC to get in one. Your friend can then join the session  

Do the Diamond Casino Heist. I've been playing with a friend and getting a few 100K per run. A solo setup can take me 1-2 hours, combine that with the two of us doing it and it's an easy million.    

[TARINunit9]

40 minutes ago, Mr.ToastForPresident said:

Also Arknights, cause im stuck in gacha hell.

Thanks for the warning, the YouTube ads on mobile almost wore me down enough to take a look

[Mr.ToastForPresident]

1 minute ago, TARINunit9 said:

Thanks for the warning, the YouTube ads on mobile almost wore me down enough to take a look

its actually really fun game if you like strategizing. its a tower defense, so if youre into that, its pretty good. each unit has their own niche, at you can pretty much get by using whatever units you got while still not paying a single dime. uses a stamina system, but everyday you can plan out you levels without using stamina. one of the hardest events so far also didnt use a stamina system, and it had a difficulty option select that rewarded you for doing harder stuff, but the rewards diminished over higher difficulties so you can still get most of the things you want from lower difficulties. im just stuck in gacha hell cause im hopelessly addicted to waifus

[TARINunit9]

42 minutes ago, Mr.ToastForPresident said:

its actually really fun game if you like strategizing. its a tower defense, so if youre into that, its pretty good. each unit has their own niche, at you can pretty much get by using whatever units you got while still not paying a single dime. uses a stamina system, but everyday you can plan out you levels without using stamina. one of the hardest events so far also didnt use a stamina system, and it had a difficulty option select that rewarded you for doing harder stuff, but the rewards diminished over higher difficulties so you can still get most of the things you want from lower difficulties.

I know full well the good f2p games have a steady trickle of everything you need to win for free. I mean these are the Warframe forums. But thanks for the tower defense warning too, those are just not for me

[cakee_]

From playing a bunch of monster hunter games I realize how truly weak I am, and it leads to some really fun and genuinely scary situations. Also feels nice having a mission/quest take up to 30 minutes because stuff doesn't die when I blink at it.

[(PSN)NemitheNem]

I realized that I really like NPC interaction, or at least reaction. The new Baro thing for instance made me giggle when I realized he just wanted to go on an adventure with a childhood hero.

I want to go to his parties and be bored because they are a posh brining party, I want him to bring something extra special for me next time.

I also realized I wish I could ninja more--like get enemies to open up otherwise sealed doors for me--not mission required, maybe has a chance of spawning rarer drops inside or something?

These realizations come from Untitled goose game.

2 hours ago, Cloud said:

I disagree. There are parts of Warframe grind which are frustrating (riven as best example) but for the rest, I find warframe perfect for casual gaming. People who say Warframe has an harsh RNG and grind never tried an actual terrible grind game in their lives.

The thing with warframe you can grind on one thing for 5 minutes or five hours. With the exception of bigger bosses like Orbs and Eidolons which can be over in under an hour, max. Meanwhile other MMO grinds, esp for boss/raid grinds start at an hour.

[kevoisvevo]

4 hours ago, 844448 said:

Being dragged by my friends to play GTA V since it was free on epic, I realize something as a Tenno in heart

1. Co-op sucks and might be impossible in warframe

Co-op is such a pain since you have to make sure everything runs perfectly and a mission can fail just from a mistake your teammate did.

This is further reinforced that we have complaints about people not understanding what they want when they don't want to communicate. Not to mention public sortie spy is hell by many that it's better to run it solo so having trial back? Heh

2. I miss my power instantly

Being a human character, you are weak as heck and even the heaviest armor gone in 3 or 4 bullets especially when against NOOSE and you need heavy utility vest to avoid taking too much damage at the expense not being able to run and my mind was raging with "man, can't I at least get into my Excalibur and wreck these fools?"

3. The grind in warframe is pretty casual

To get a facility, the cheapest is around 1 million and you get only around 100k on heist, not to mention the upgrades and cargo is a risky thing where you can easily see a high level player wrecking you to steal your cargo

4. I'm a sucker for fashion

That Yusuf Amir finish is just irresistible and not a big deal to spend 50k for that sweet, sweet skin

What do you realize when you play other games?

i mean you can compare it's grind to games like borderlands or dark souls. i would refrain from using grand theft auto online as a benchmark for online multiplayer. it's mostly filled with hackers who give you billions upon billions of dollars and you can find modded players in every 2 or so servers.

[(XBOX)ShonOfDawn]

Whenever I happen to hop back on Titanfall 2, I really wonder "why doesn't warframe integrate its mobility into combat like this game does", and much more importantly "why is my momentum reset every time I wall hop, this is dumb". 

When I played Nier Automata, I found it extremely hard to go back and enjoy Warframe's combat. I had a sentinel over my head, much like a Pod in Nier, but it acted just as a stat stick, died in a breeze, and couldn't be controlled directly. Melee lacked the weight, flair and god tier animation of 2B/A2's moves. Enemy design felt wasted, as nothing challenged my mobility or reaction times like Nier's combined bullet hell and melee scenarios, and instead enemy fire was a passive DoT that I either needed to outheal or outdamage, both things achieved in the arsenal, not through skill. Right after playing Nier, for a while I couldn't use any other frame other than Wisp for some reason...

Sekiro and Monster Hunter remind me of the joy of overcoming a tough enemy. 

 

[Chicken-Biryani]

4 hours ago, 844448 said:

What do you realize when you play other games?

That I was a fool for sticking to Warframe too long, even after realizing that it wasn't working out for me. I have played like 3 hours in July (this is a generous estimate and it's likely less than that in all probability), and I don't miss it that much anymore. Ofc, I am interested in the new developments, maybe something will come up and I might get back. Idk.

[Tinklzs]

9 hours ago, 844448 said:

Co-op is such a pain since you have to make sure everything runs perfectly and a mission can fail just from a mistake your teammate did.

In GTA Online this is true, but in most Co Op games I've played you have more wiggle room. Failing the drill on the first heist for example ruins your bonus + more cops to deal with because you were slower. Don't even get me started on the 4th bank heist, running from cops to get out via sea, many ways of doing it - but that one typically requires perfection. I miss GTA:O, stopped playing due to cheaters, and getting called a cheater (6.5K/D, I would kill griefers).  

One of the main reasons I play Warframe is the parkour system, very satisfying when you perfectly move through the map flipping, shooting etc, without bumping into anything. The only other game I can think of that I've played that gives satisfying movement that is anywhere in the same spectrum is Team Fortress 2, and since I can't play that current (lack of real internet) here I am.

 

The neat thing about GTA:O specifically though, is the plethora of tools, vehicles and ways you can approach most missions, which is one reason I played it so long (4153 hours), but cheaters ruin any fun you could have, which is why I 'retired'.