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We know they're buffing some abilities to make them more desirable, but it's possible that some may be nerfed in the overall balance pass.

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5 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

We know they're buffing some abilities to make them more desirable, but it's possible that some may be nerfed in the overall balance pass.

Please don't nerf Explosive Legerdemain. I like my nuke Mirage for defense missions and ESO. And for ESO she doesn't really shine unless you have a Trin support (for max range and strength build).

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1 minute ago, rawr1254 said:

This is also assuming the augments will also be transferable.

They said augments can be used on transferred abilities.

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il y a 46 minutes, (XB1)DarkForceLegend a dit :

For example, if say you where to put Ivaras Navigator on Nova to control her Antimatter Drop.

Navigator probably only work with weapon projectile.

il y a 46 minutes, (XB1)DarkForceLegend a dit :

While we will soon find out what abilities are going to be the big game changers, it will be manageable. If the all the abilities were released then it would be like trying to put out a fire with a bucket of water

As i said, with this, it would be easy to make a change. If reduce the duration of somthing to 50% is not enougth, it is very esay to reduce to 35% instead.

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 il y a 46 minutes, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- a dit :

Even a toned down Vex Armor or Spores on other frames, combined with their own specialty, would leave no reason to actually play those frames.

the reduction of effect is enougth to totaly change the ability.

if on chroma, it multiply the damage by 4, and on the other warframe, by 1.8, there is a good reason to play chroma.

or for saryn ; kill everthing on the map, or just kill a pack of monster is totaly diferent.

And 2nd point : only one ability can be change ; you steel have to play the warframe to have the other. if only one ability make the identity of a warframe, this warframe probably need to be change. (exeption for the exalted weapon. that also should not be usable on other warframe)

il y a 46 minutes, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- a dit :

And even a weakened Spores is better than most of the worst abilities in any frame's kit so it would be an obvious upgrade, just for the contagious corrosive procs if nothing else.

true, but it is already the goal of this, to remoove the usless ability for somthing usefull.

but it need to have a choise between lot of usefull effect.

if i have the choice between a weakened Spores ; or a small Molecular Prime, or a short invisibility, ... all of this are interesting, and my choice would depend of the warframe, of the type of mission that i will do with it, ....

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I wouldn’t count on DE doing anything except what they are with the prebuilt Khora parts from stream drops. Except for a few frames they can be gotten quite easily again and the point of the system is for that “sacrifice” to enhance others. 
 

Just like the rest of the game have to grind or buy. Choice is yours. 

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19 minutes ago, Nez-Kal said:

....Wait, am I missing something? How is Mirage's "Sleight of Hand" a Nuke ability? Is there something I don't know here, like Nukong?

At the lower levels with the augment she outdamages all other nukes. Problems start at about lv70 (don't quote me on that one) where it falls off harder that the quality of Game of Thrones.

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9 hours ago, keikogi said:

I agree with your point , I'm just poiting out it is already way too good even as it is. Especially on frames that have useless or redundant skills. I feel sad about the system because well desined frames get the least benefit from this system because they have to sacrifice something usefull. 

well, when the frame is 'well designed', there isn't really a reason as to why you should exchange something. most people play specific builds with frame, which usually leads to one or more of the frames abilities to be of 'not much use' - if we can exchange those for other abilities which can profit with a certain modding, then its a good thing... ofc, other frames that you formated often enough so it can be used for 2 or more builds (e.g. nova or nekros) might be a bit more difficult to profit here.

personally i'm not quite sure if the whole idea of re-configurating our frames is a smart move from DE, but i'll pass judgement about it when they release it - it might yet turn out to be ok (yes, even DE sometimes think things through - or get lucky ^^)

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What if the switch ability was is not cap for as in switch any of your 1-4 abilities, able switch any ult power, able switch your passive to any passive that you liked as how would you turn this to be into your field of making your great creation of single that you chose frame and which one you choose and why? (Note you can have more then 1 frame if you feel like adding to it)

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For me which frame I will pick is obviously either Chroma, for this boy is going have that thick regen health, change his Dragon Breath to be Rhino's Roar on his 1st ability, then I'll change Chroma's 4 to be actually Syran's alt more likely I would nuke the room for the time being and see how powerful does it get even further beyond.

Another frame I would make it more powerful is Inaros for what ability I will change is his 1 ability to be Iron skin because I can and wanted to see how strong does it goes beyond the limits if there is no cap for it but see how greatly the armor becomes, then I probably will change Inaros's 3 ability switch it with Atlas's golem rock buddy because a king need his guards men.  As for his passive I will just be Nidus's healing passive again.

 

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33 minutes ago, rawr1254 said:

Yea but when has anything they ever said been set in stone

They've said it multiple times now, latest is here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/699451606?t=00h43m33s

Reb says "if an augment exists it will be included".

 

Also in that stream she says some base abilities will get a buff, e.g. Zephyr's air burst will have an alt-fire (hold to cast) that will pull enemies to the point of impact.

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Just now, fr4gb4ll said:

well, when the frame is 'well designed', there isn't really a reason as to why you should exchange something. most people play specific builds with frame, which usually leads to one or more of the frames abilities to be of 'not much use' - if we can exchange those for other abilities which can profit with a certain modding, then its a good thing... ofc, other frames that you formated often enough so it can be used for 2 or more builds (e.g. nova or nekros) might be a bit more difficult to profit here.

personally i'm not quite sure if the whole idea of re-configurating our frames is a smart move from DE, but i'll pass judgement about it when they release it - it might yet turn out to be ok (yes, even DE sometimes think things through - or get lucky ^^)

Overall good power lvl with a balanced kit ( powerbudget spread out from all skills ) don't benefit from this system badly desined kits with both overpowered and useless skills benefit a lot from this. For example mesa can swap her one for volts 1 and use thr shock argument , she lost nothing and got a really good buff for her peace makers. On the other hand a well designed frame like Nezha can't really benefit that much from this system because he has no skill he can't just yet out at no cost.

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27 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said:

What if the switch ability was is not cap for as in switch any of your 1-4 abilities, able switch any ult power, able switch your passive to any passive that you liked as how would you turn this to be into your field of making your great creation of single that you chose frame and which one you choose and why? (Note you can have more then 1 frame if you feel like adding to it)

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For me which frame I will pick is obviously either Chroma, for this boy is going have that thick regen health, change his Dragon Breath to be Rhino's Roar on his 1st ability, then I'll change Chroma's 4 to be actually Syran's alt more likely I would nuke the room for the time being and see how powerful does it get even further beyond.

Another frame I would make it more powerful is Inaros for what ability I will change is his 1 ability to be Iron skin because I can and wanted to see how strong does it goes beyond the limits if there is no cap for it but see how greatly the armor becomes, then I probably will change Inaros's 3 ability switch it with Atlas's golem rock buddy because a king need his guards men.  As for his passive I will just be Nidus's healing passive again.

 

da fug?  Why my post move into this when it didn't have the same subject?

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1 minute ago, ChaoticEdge said:

da fug?  Why my post move into this when it didn't have the same subject?

Thread merge. This is what happens when mods figuratively take the thread out back with a loaded shotgun.

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2 minutes ago, Blexander said:

Thread merge. This is what happens when mods figuratively take the thread out back with a loaded shotgun.

It shouldn't merge at all for my thread is base on figure of "What if switching abilities has no cap limit" and so on stuff, this didn't made to be the following of follow of the leading post of this for it did not say of type of example sum it up similarities in the 1st place.  Also I phrase it if a frame received a different and multiple type of abilities that it could cross if it doesn't have the cap.

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1 minute ago, ChaoticEdge said:

It shouldn't merge at all for my thread is base on figure of "What if switching abilities has no cap limit" and so on stuff, this didn't made to be the following of follow of the leading post of this for it did not say of type of example sum it up similarities in the 1st place.

I don't know what to tell you. Like, I don't think you can even talk to any mods about it. This happens often.

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Just now, Blexander said:

I don't know what to tell you. Like, I don't think you can even talk to any mods about it. This happens often.

I just sent in a report and if they don't reply I'll get going talk one of them like I did last time and put questions why did my thread fuse another person thread as an honest person would do go off ask question.

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Just now, ChaoticEdge said:

I just sent in a report and if they don't reply I'll get going talk one of them like I did last time and put questions why did my thread fuse another person thread as an honest person would do go off ask question.

Best of luck with that, I guess.

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5 minutes ago, Blexander said:

Best of luck with that, I guess.

Also I didn't use feedback page in general back and categorizing it feedback draw me little to the point being offended by the moderator without provided thoughts and just slap it off fusing into someone else page for assuming it is "FOR CLAIMING THE SAME THING" this is also violation of policy for it was assumed it was same thing but it is not for it isn't a sum it up as same for I am only discussing if there limitless bound of saying this but this person who own this thread did not sum it up like of mine and my own thread that was force to submerge into the person thread.  This is clearly is act of incorrect for saying and making faults statement on the side of that moderator.

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