The Revenant Rework

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

1 hour ago, Padre_Akais said:

That'd be your job...

The Alchemist frame would've already been released at that point, thus making swaps to the powers in its' kit senseless.

For example: You haven't seen me attempting to make changes to Xaku's powers even though it clearly doesn't match its' initial theme.

I haven't done that because that would be dumb.

Because it is a personal preference...That's how.

Common sense would be seeing that it doesn't match what you wanted or expected and accepting that it doesn't. 

Ok then I guess DE should just stop doing themes for Warframes, because you clearly believe they should never adhere to one.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

1 hour ago, Pizzarugi said:

Personal feelings about how abilities don't fit the theme isn't a reason to nuke the frame. DE has never nuked a frame for having theme mismatches (in your opinion).

It’s not a personal feeling. It’s blatant f***ing fact that Vampire powers have no business being on a frame who’s theme is not vampire.

Also, the reason DE has never done that in the past is because they’ve never had a frame who’s theme and abilities don’t fit together. Revenants the first frame they let that happen to.

[Pizzarugi]

Just now, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

It’s not a personal feeling. It’s blatant f***ing fact that Vampire powers have no business being on a frame who’s theme is not vampire.

A corrupted vampire frame.

You disagreeing with it doesn't make it untrue.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

3 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said:

A corrupted vampire frame.

You disagreeing with it doesn't make it untrue.

It doesn’t make sense. WTF is the point of the Eidolon angle if there was no intention of incorporating it into the design. There’s not even a mention of vampires or equivalent anywhere in Revenants backstory, so there’s no reason those powers should be on him.

 

[Pizzarugi]

Just now, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

It doesn’t make sense. WTF is the point of the Eidolon angle if there was no intention of incorporating it into the design. There’s not even a mention of vampires anywhere in Revenants backstory, so there’s no reason those powers should be on him.

 

There's no mention of Mirage's backstory either.

Who cares?

And the Eidolon angle was incorporated into the design via corruption. Revenant, before he became what he is now, was a warden against the Eidolon after Gara shattered the Sentient colossus.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

Just now, Pizzarugi said:

There's no mention of Mirage's backstory either.

Who cares?

And the Eidolon angle was incorporated into the design via corruption. Revenant, before he became what he is now, was a warden against the Eidolon after Gara shattered the Sentient colossus.

Because Mirages story isn’t about the origin of her creation. Revenants is.

And it should make sense from a logical game design stand point that if you make a character that’s modeled after an in game boss. They better be a good representation of that boss. Otherwise you get people asking “WTF was even the point if you had no intention of capitalizing on the coolest part of the character?”

[Pizzarugi]

6 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Because Mirages story isn’t about the origin of her creation. Revenants is.

And it should make sense from a logical game design stand point that if you make a character that’s modeled after an in game boss. They better be a good representation of that boss. Otherwise you get people asking “WTF was even the point if you had no intention of capitalizing on the coolest part of the character?”

The only origin of Revenant's "creation" was that he got corrupted by the Eidolon. He was a warden first before he was Revenant. The Eidolon didn't just create a warframe.

If they were going to model Revenant after an ingame boss, one of his arms would also be prosthetic or a gun. You know why he doesn't? Because he wasn't modeled after an Eidolon. He was modeled on his own as a warframe who was supposed to be acting as a warden to stop them from returning before getting corrupted.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

3 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said:

The only origin of Revenant's "creation" was that he got corrupted by the Eidolon. He was a warden first before he was Revenant. The Eidolon didn't just create a warframe.

If they were going to model Revenant after an ingame boss, one of his arms would also be prosthetic or a gun. You know why he doesn't? Because he wasn't modeled after an Eidolon. He was modeled on his own as a warframe who was supposed to be acting as a warden to stop them from returning before getting corrupted.

Eidolons aren’t the ones who made Warframes. The Orokin did that. So DE did the logical thing with his backstory and took a nondescript frame and threw it to the Eidolons to be converted into an Eidolonframe.

Well the guy who made Revenants concept was the same guy who made the Eidolons. In fact he drew up Revenant while drawing the Eidolons and it was labeled as “Eidolon Warframe”. He doesn’t have to be copy/paste of an Eidolon. He has the aesthetics of one. He has the backstory to make the existence of a frame with Eidolon powers make sense. So what reason is there to not give him Eidolon powers?

[Pizzarugi]

2 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Eidolons aren’t the ones who made Warframes. The Orokin did that. So DE did the logical thing with his backstory and took a nondescript frame and threw it to the Eidolons to be converted into an Eidolonframe.

Well the guy who made Revenants concept was the same guy who made the Eidolons. In fact he drew up Revenant while drawing the Eidolons and it was labeled as “Eidolon Warframe”.

To repeat what Padre said:

3 hours ago, Padre_Akais said:

Concept art and intentions are irrelevant because the frame came out as it is today.

Everything else is irrelevant to the realities of that fact.

The "Eidolon Warframe" was also codenamed "Vlad". You choose to ignore the vampire mentions of the frame's design and just focus solely on the Eidolon aspect.

4 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

He has the backstory to make the existence of a frame with Eidolon powers make sense. So what reason is there to not give him Eidolon powers?

Because he was corrupted by the Eidolon. Corruption doesn't mean creation.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

Just now, Pizzarugi said:

To repeat what Padre said:

The "Eidolon Warframe" was also codenamed "Vlad". You choose to ignore the vampire mentions of the frame's design and just focus solely on the Eidolon aspect.

Because he was corrupted by the Eidolon. Corruption doesn't mean creation.

Well Rebecca chose to ignore the Eidolon aspects of Revenant up until Steve told her “The Eidolon frame actually has the be Eidolon themed”, and that’s how we got his one and only Eidolon themed ability in Danse Macabre.

You’re just deliberately being stubborn now. Corruption doesn’t mean creation. But it’s the only way to actually put an Eidolonframe into the universe. IDK how you can defend the idea that Rev spent decades being transformed by the Eidolons and it makes sense that he got next to nothing out of it.

[Pizzarugi]

1 minute ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Well Rebecca chose to ignore the Eidolon aspects of Revenant up until Steve told her “The Eidolon frame actually has the be Eidolon themed”, and that’s how we got his one and only Eidolon themed ability in Danse Macabre.

Considering Revenant's previous 4 was putting enemies to sleep, which is more or less an expensive version of Baruuk's Lull, I can see why they scrapped it in favor of Danse Macabre.

3 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

You’re just deliberately being stubborn now.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Mr. "Frame Theme Bad So Whole Frame Bad And Should Have Entire Kit Thrown Out".

5 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

IDK how you can defend the idea that Rev spent decades being transformed by the Eidolons and it makes sense that he got next to nothing out of it.

Have you played the Heart of Deimos quest? It's explained that warframes are a mix of both void and infestation. The infestation are immune to the Sentient (and vice versa) and the void is "poison" to them. This would mean warframes are, at the very least, highly resistant to Sentient influence.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

4 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said:

Considering Revenant's previous 4 was putting enemies to sleep, which is more or less an expensive version of Baruuk's Lull, I can see why they scrapped it in favor of Danse Macabre.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Mr. "Frame Theme Bad So Whole Frame Bad And Should Have Entire Kit Thrown Out".

Have you played the Heart of Deimos quest? It's explained that warframes are a mix of both void and infestation. The infestation are immune to the Sentient (and vice versa) and the void is "poison" to them. This would mean warframes are, at the very least, highly resistant to Sentient influence.

Now you’re starting to sound like Ervin.

it doesn’t matter if the infested flesh is immune and void energy is poisonous to Sentient energy. Revenant was corrupted over thousands of years by what we have to assume is a ceaseless amount of sentient Eidolon energy. A drop of ant poison isn’t going to stop 1 billion ants.

Like if your argument was true Revenant wouldn’t have been hostile when we found him.

[Pizzarugi]

1 minute ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

it doesn’t matter if the infested flesh is immune and void energy is poisonous to Sentient energy. Revenant was corrupted over thousands of years by what we have to assume is a ceaseless amount of sentient Eidolon energy. A drop of ant poison isn’t going to stop 1 billion ants.

Like I said, at the very least, he's highly resistant to Sentient influence which is why you have a corrupted vampire frame and not a full-blown Eidolon recreation.

[Rakosta_Kai]

2 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Ok then I guess DE should just stop doing themes for Warframes, because you clearly believe they should never adhere to one.

And by your logic, Loki needs a re-work because his ult isn't giving birth to an eight-legged horse.👀

 

2 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Eidolons aren’t the ones who made Warframes. The Orokin did that. So DE did the logical thing with his backstory and took a nondescript frame and threw it to the Eidolons to be converted into an Eidolonframe.

Well the guy who made Revenants concept was the same guy who made the Eidolons. In fact he drew up Revenant while drawing the Eidolons and it was labeled as “Eidolon Warframe”. He doesn’t have to be copy/paste of an Eidolon. He has the aesthetics of one. He has the backstory to make the existence of a frame with Eidolon powers make sense. So what reason is there to not give him Eidolon powers?

Short answer: Because there is no specific reason to give him copy/paste Eidolan powers...You literally state as much yourself by asserting they are aesthetic.

                       Revenant is using Eidolan-flavored versions of Warden's powers.

 

Long answer: Eidolans are obviously ghostly Sentients...They aren't the same but exhibit abilities that have similarities to each other.

                      Revenant is obviously not Warden...They aren't the same but exhibit similarities to each other.

                      Revenant is an Eidolan corrupted version of Warden.

Feel free to disagree but their names aren't by accident.

[tennomantra]

I can't really comment on specifics for ability changes because I am far from an expert in that regard, but revenant isn't currently a kind of a frame that should be in the game. I've used him to skip a lot of content and it felt, it was, quite simply, cheating.
Permanent invincibility when 2 is active, can be recast any time without any danger when utilizing Rolling Guard of at least rank 4 iirc.
Any enemy who touches revenant gets cc'd.
Revenant can thrall any enemy with 1 and then kill it in one cast with 3. Good for skipping lich content in seconds, for example.
And now with marked for death + thrall+reave combo, revenant will not only be an undamageable frame, but will also be able to kill whole room with one cast combo.
A Saryn, 'Marked for Death' Revenant and Limbo walk into a bar...

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

3 hours ago, Pizzarugi said:

Like I said, at the very least, he's highly resistant to Sentient influence which is why you have a corrupted vampire frame and not a full-blown Eidolon recreation.

That doesn’t justify the vampire abilities. Because there’s absolutely zero indication where they came from.

[Pizzarugi]

1 minute ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

That doesn’t justify the vampire abilities. Because there’s absolutely zero indication where they came from.

They came from Warden. There doesn't need to be a story about it.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

49 minutes ago, Padre_Akais said:

And by your logic, Loki needs a re-work because his ult isn't giving birth to an eight-legged horse.👀

 

Short answer: Because there is no specific reason to give him copy/paste Eidolan powers...You literally state as much yourself by asserting they are aesthetic.

                       Revenant is using Eidolan-flavored versions of Warden's powers.

 

Long answer: Eidolans are obviously ghostly Sentients...They aren't the same but exhibit abilities that have similarities to each other.

                      Revenant is obviously not Warden...They aren't the same but exhibit similarities to each other.

                      Revenant is an Eidolan corrupted version of Warden.

Feel free to disagree but their names aren't by accident.

Frame names should never be held up against their theme. Otherwise we could literally argue all day how Mesa doesn’t turn into flatlands or Rhino isn’t an actual Rhino. The fact that you’re trying this angle is already showing you’re straining to find a good argument.

The is a specific reason. Because he’s supposed to be a f***mothering Eidolon frame. Otherwise they wouldn’t have bothered making a frame with an Eidolon theme to begin with.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

1 minute ago, Pizzarugi said:

They came from Warden. There doesn't need to be a story about it.

There needs to be a in game explanation as to why the frame that’s supposed to be the Eidolon frame has f*** all to do with Eidolons.

[Pizzarugi]

Just now, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

There needs to be a in game explanation as to why the frame that’s supposed to be the Eidolon frame has f*** all to do with Eidolons.

No it doesn't. Just because you can't handle a vampire frame getting corrupted by Eidolons, as explained in the quest to unlock Revenant, doesn't mean the game needs to spell it out for you.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

4 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said:

No it doesn't. Just because you can't handle a vampire frame getting corrupted by Eidolons, as explained in the quest to unlock Revenant, doesn't mean the game needs to spell it out for you.

No it very much does. Because I would love to know the ass backwards logic someone comes up with to justify how thousands of years of corruption has next to no effect on Revenants abilities when it corrupted him for long enough to completely change his appearance to looking like an Eidolon.

[(PSN)Grand_Sheba]

On 2020-08-03 at 6:08 PM, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

It’s finally completed.....mostly

So, for those unaware Revenant has had major theme issues since his release. My intention with this rework is to make Revenant’s original intended theme of an Eidolon frame a reality while also giving him unique mechanics that not many other Warframes have. As Eidolons are part of the sentient faction it also makes sense to apply some of their properties to his abilities.

PASSIVE: 10% of weapon damage is converted into adaptive damage.

Adaptive damage will be like the damage of Baruuks 4 augment where it has access to all available damage types and not just the 3 Danse is limited to.

FIRST ABILITY: Summon Vomvalysts

Holding the ability button summons 6 Eidolon Vomvalysts to Revenants side. These will actively seek out enemies to draw their fire and stun them with their dash attack.

Pressing the ability button will command the Vomvalyst to specifically target whatever enemy your reticle is over. Sending one to an Ally consumes the vomvalyst and grants the Ally 50% DR and 25% additional adaptive damage to their weapons for 25s. You can also command a vomvalyst to go to a downed ally where it wil revive them instant and the vomvalyst will be consumed.

If Revenant becomes downed while at least 2 Vomvalysts are active they will rush to his location and revive him instantly. Again, they will be consumed in the process.

The Vomvalysts will survive off charges, with each one having 7 at base. Upon the consumption of all charges the vomvalyst will enter its spectral for, fly towards an enemy, and explode for 500 adaptive damage.

The duration of the Ally buff and enemy stun are affected by duration.

the number of charges a vomvalyst has is affected by power strength.

the size of their explosion is affected by range.

SECOND ABILITY: Adaptive Shielding

Revenant creates an AOE effect in a visual manner similar to when the Eidolon Teralyst is calling Vomvalysts to prepare for its final phase. The visual effect will be the green roots that usually appear on Revs shoulder during Mesmer skin, but there’s far more of it that coils around Revenants body and limbs.

This AOE strips a % of enemies armor and shields and converts it into the “health” for his adaptive shielding. A special UI display will pop up (Like Nezhas Warding Halo) displaying the abilities current health level.

Adaptive Shielding will grant 90% Damage reduction. Upon taking damage the shielding will begin to stack up the most prominent damage types of enemy attacks, adding 10% progress to a visual indicator around the shielding health indicator. Upon reaching 100% progress to a damage type Revenant will have 10s of 100% DR to that damage type. The ability can keep track of multiple damage types and provide the 10s buff for multiple damage types at the same time. (Think adaptation mixed with Gauss’s battery).

If a Vomvalyst is within the AOE then Revenant is healed for 100 health for every Vomvalyst hit by the ability. Taking 1 charge from each affected Vomvalyst.

Enemies afflicted by Eidolon Wail will have twice the armor and shields stripped from them. Boosting the amount of health Adaptive Shielding will gain.

% drain is affected by strength.

AOE reach affected by range

100% DR buff duration is affected by duration.

THIRD ABILITY: Eidolons Wail

Revenant lets out a wave of energy that shares the visual design of the large energy wave Eidolons release when a Synovia is broken.

This energy wave travels forward in a widening cone for several meters. When the energy wave hits enemies it staggers them and applies a unique debuff to them.

Afflicted enemies will be twice as weak to the damage types most effective against them and half as resistant to the damage types that they resist.

Holding the ability will create the same energy wave but this time in an AOE with half the range.

FOURTH ABILITY: Eidolon Arm Cannon.

Revenant summons sentient pieces to form an energy cannon around his arm. This will be an exalted weapon that uses primary weapon mods. And will deal adaptive damage.

Upon activation of this ability a new counter will appear in the top right corner (where all the buffs and stuff show up) and keep track of incoming damage. This number does not passively decrease and maxes out at 50k. We will call this converted damage.

The arm cannon will have 3 firing modes: Laser beam, burst, and mortar shot.

Laser: Will fire 2 High Status/Low Crit beams. The converted damage will be applied to the damage and will decrease by 2% per second.

Burst: Will fire a slow 3 round burst of large explosive energy shots. The converted damage is applied to the damage and will consume 30% of the converted damage (10% for each shot). This will be even in Crit and Status.

Mortar: Fires a chargeable energy burst that arcs when fired, upon contact it creates a large explosion and deals high damage. Converted damage will be applied to the damage and will consume 50% of the converted damage per shot. Homing projectiles will also be released from the explosion and seek nearby enemies. This will be High Crit/Low Status.
 

Base damage is affected by strength.

efficiency and duration affect the energy/second drain.

STAT CHANGES: At Max Level

Armor: 200

Energy: 187

Health: 400

Shield: 350

Sprint Speed: 0.90

(I don’t really focus on stats much so some of these may be a little higher than they should be)

 

Leave Revenant alone, he is a perfect warframe his abilities are fine the theme is as they wanted and represents the power of the sentient and warden well. Let's not ever bring this up again.

Revenant's entire kit revolves around everything sentient, idk how you missed this. Please delete this forum, if you want a new frame cool thats fine but lets not encourage messing up a very good warframe. It sounds to me like you're jealous of the frame and want to see him nerfed for some reason.

If you dont know how to use Revenant just try another frame, there is literally nothing other than a new skin that needs to happen for this frame.

I pray to God DE never reads this and if they do know that you guys did a perfect job with Revenant dont change a thing ever!

[(PSN)Grand_Sheba]

4 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

It’s not a personal feeling. It’s blatant f***ing fact that Vampire powers have no business being on a frame who’s theme is not vampire.

Also, the reason DE has never done that in the past is because they’ve never had a frame who’s theme and abilities don’t fit together. Revenants the first frame they let that happen to.

Its not a vampire its an undead, zombie like sentient frame which is what eldilons are. Guruda is a vampire frame, again please just delete your post. Revenant is a perfect frame with awesome visuals.

[Rakosta_Kai]

2 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Frame names should never be held up against their theme.

You do realize that this is precisely what you've been doing this whole time, right?

Because asserting that Revenant is an Eidolan frame and assigning the theme you wanted to it does just that.

You double standard is showing, bud.

2 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

The is a specific reason. Because he’s supposed to be a f***mothering Eidolon frame. Otherwise they wouldn’t have bothered making a frame with an Eidolon theme to begin with.

Not according to you...

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

13 hours ago, (PS4)Grand_Sheba said:

Leave Revenant alone, he is a perfect warframe his abilities are fine the theme is as they wanted and represents the power of the sentient and warden well. Let's not ever bring this up again.

Revenant's entire kit revolves around everything sentient, idk how you missed this. Please delete this forum, if you want a new frame cool thats fine but lets not encourage messing up a very good warframe. It sounds to me like you're jealous of the frame and want to see him nerfed for some reason.

If you dont know how to use Revenant just try another frame, there is literally nothing other than a new skin that needs to happen for this frame.

I pray to God DE never reads this and if they do know that you guys did a perfect job with Revenant dont change a thing ever!

He’s not fine. He’s one of the worst designed frames in the game.

Only 1 of his abilities has anything to do with Sentients or Eidolons. The rest are just vampire abilities with Eidolon visuals.

I know how to use Revenant. How many times to I have to say this to you people.

Pray to me all you want. I’m not listening 😜