Sahansral Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 vor 5 Minuten schrieb kxZyle: I guess it's way less work to nerf the best abilities than to buff the bad ones. Easier said than done. Just imagine by which amount you would have to buff abilities like air burst, decoy or hydoid barrage to make competitive to the top abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kog12 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, [DE]Megan said: AUGUST 19TH UPDATE: Greetings, Tenno! The launch of Heart of Deimos grows near, and we have some Helminth updates since we last posted! Below are 2 parts of updated/clarifying information that touches both Infused Warframe Abilities and the Helminth Segment acquisition. PART 1 - Changes to select Infused Warframe Abilities Please keep in mind we’re still testing/playing around with the values for each, hence why the values are not present below: The following only apply to Infused Warframe Abilities: Rhino - Roar Diminished Damage increase Mirage - Eclipse Diminished Damage increase and cap Damage Reduction Valkyr - Warcry Attack speed increase reduced Protea - Dispenser Duration reduced Nidus - Larva Radius reduced Wukong - Defy Armor capped Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules? It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused. PART 2 - Helminth Segment Acquisition As already indicated in this Dev Workshops original post, the Helminth Segment is acquired in the Heart of Deimos in the Entrati Syndicate. To expand on that, this means you’ll need to progress within the Entrati Syndicate located within the Necralisk to obtain the Helminth Segment before you can start experimenting with everything Helminth. Without spoiling too much, the Helminth Segment is currently obtained in Rank 3 of the Entrati Syndicate. This reminder is simply to set expectations on what you’ll have access to upon logging into the Heart of Deimos. That’s all for now! you just killed the hype. This is why Warframe will always remain mediocre. And its locked behind a tedious grind to boot? Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcsyrine Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 @[DE]Megan will the armor strip from Embers Fire Blast be affected by mods while on other warframes? Or is it always set to a specific amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God_is_a_Cat_Girl Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, [DE]Megan said: To offer further clarification on why we changed the Mastery Rank Prerequisite to MR 8: There's many factors that come into play in order to engage with the Helminth system, such as: Having an ongoing supply of Resources that you don't need elsewhere to feed your Helminth Working your way up the Helminth rankings to unlock more features Having Warframes your ready/willing to Subsume Looking at the above, we can see that higher rank players will be more equipped to offer these things to Helminth out the gate, where a MR 8 player will start with more accessible/cheaper Helminth Abilities first before diving deeper. Thus allowing MR 8 players to participate in Helminth and grow as they go. That sounds good on paper, if we ignore all the other content they barely took part in and that exists at the same time as this system. MR8 player barely experienced 1/4 of the frames moretheless understood what each frame can do as a whole, that might as well lead to frustration when they lose mats at a stage where said mats are rather precious because they put a crappy Helminth ability (which most are) on a slot hat had a powerful ability they did not understand at the time. I'd even say that there's plenty of Mr20 and higher players that don't even know that any frame can use Inaros' devour to restore their own HP akin to a HP tower. It also divides their materials between crafting new equipment which unlocks Mastery ranks or feeding those materials to Helminth. At MR8 I doubt players have that many materials they don't need, or even know which materials they actually need. New players already have plenty of long term goals to focus on, be it acquiring new equipment or grind Focus and personally I don't think this system is all that great to have so early on. If anything unlocking it a few ranks later means they have a better understanding about their own stock piles and better understand about Warframes and the game as a whole. If the Helminth system was completely detached on every other system, I'd understand that, focus in part is the closest thing to a long term goal even though it fails at setting a feasible goal without grinding exclusively for it (plus the terrible lens farm), but Helminth uses multiple systems that are shared (and vital for progression) and that is likely to result in frustration at early stages rather than being a pleasant long term goal. We already see plenty of threads complain about the grind that players are exposed early on, plus some topics that go under the radar (like lens which I mentioned before), this system will only intensify those frustrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadurim Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Good thing i'm a Chroma main. Nerfing subsumed abilities won't make it even worse than Spectral scream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SirMilkfiend Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I was expecting something like this those abilities are far too potent to be handed out like candy. If you have an overpowered synergy in mind *don't tell anyone* it won't get nerfed 😉 The only clarification I'd like do the nerfs affect the original frame? - I'd hate for Valkyr to get prodded again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selig_fay Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Jarriaga said: The problem there is that the only way for, say, Mind Control or Reave to become viable options over Defy, Roar or Dispenser is to nerf them to 10% their current effectiveness. You can't expect for the nerfs to be just "mild" so the abilities remain good if the purpose is to make them all viable because the gap is way too large to begin with. The "good" abilities are so far ahead of things such as Mind Control that they might as well be in a different solar system. That's how big of a nerf they'd need. I think you're exaggerating. The problem is that good abilities are good abilities, and trash is trash. By the way, helminth has some good abilities, in case you haven't noticed. If Rhino gives 5%, I'll just take the ammo efficiency, because this thing will increase my DPS more than a measly 5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIREEK Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, --RV--Faras said: You gain MR as you play the game, I'm not trying to say that every mr29 knows everything about the game, nor am I trying to say that every lower MR player knows nothing about the game - don't get me wrong What I'm trying to say is that with playing the game, comes using different gear. With experiencing changes the game goes through comes, again, using different gear. So with all that, MR comes naturally. And I can easily prove that by just checking your own profile. You having went through all the changes in the game, have accumulated a decent, respectable amount of MR, while on the other hand, an MR 8 didn't; an MR 8 typically isn't an old player nor veteran in the game, an MR 8 is typically a newer player which is an audience this update isn't targeting. But the gate is trying to be the same as with raids, or liches, it's trying to introduce the system early on so that players become familiar with it and then advance and upgrade it over time. The jackal also introduces the finisher system yet it will only be used heavily on lich content, but these hints serve to help players later on (if they want to learn that is) Newer players will likely use the 1st few abilities the helmith has unlocked, while veterans will use essentially everything to their disposal, with beefy mods and lots of modding experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ginja-_-Ninja_87 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 2020-08-12 at 6:27 PM, [DE]Rebecca said: THE HELMINTH: DEV WORKSHOP.Tenno the time has come for our comprehensive Dev Workshop on The Helminth System (formerly known as ‘Helminth Chrysalis System, we reduced the name length for ‘Mouth’feel)! This Dev Workshop is subject to change, but here is everything you need to know about THE HELMINTH!We debuted this system at TennoCon 2020 - rewatch here:https://youtu.be/KoKO1nAk0MQ?t=1693The Helminth System is an expansion of the Helminth room on your Orbiter - you may only know this room as an infested space that allows you to remove the Helminth Cyst. With the ‘Heart of Deimos’ Update, that’s all changing. The Helminth system enables you to customize your Warframes by infusing new Abilities in place of existing Abilities. How does it work?To participate in the Helminth, you must obtain the ‘Helminth Segment’. This is acquired in the Heart of Deimos in the Entrati Syndicate and is then installed on your Orbiter in the Helminth Room to begin your Helminth journey!Once ready, there are 2 key things this System offers:- You can replace 1 Ability per Warframe.- Every Warframe can be Subsumed to permanently provide 1 specific Ability to Helminth.Who is this for?We consider this a customization system for very experienced Warframe players (Mastery Rank 15 8 Prerequisite). We do not intend to let newer players unlock this system. We intentionally placed the Segment deep into progression to ensure only experienced players could access the Segment and begin their journey with Helminth.What are Resources / Secretions?Virtually every Resource you’ve ever earned can be fed to Helminth - your stockpiles have a new home! This Feeding creates SECRETIONS, which allow you to utilize the Helminth for Ability customization.Helminth has a diverse appetite - make sure you feed Helminth Resources they want to eat to get the best Secretion results! Your choices on what you’ve fed Helminth will determine its willingness to reward secretions - change it up for best results! Permanent?Infused Abilities are removable with the click of a button - they will stay within a given Warframe as long as you decide you want it! Subsuming a Warframe is permanent - only Subsume Warframes you are sure you do not want to play with. You can always re-earn or re-buy a subsumed Warframe. Do Configurations matter? You can deeply customize by only replacing Abilities on certain Configurations, as seen in the Demo! But we would like to expand this further to demonstrate just how deep you can go.You can have 1 different Ability infused PER config!So if you have Excalibur in the chair - you could put Shock on Configuration A, Molt on Configuration B, and Firewalker on Configuration C! For example, if you wanted Shock applied to Excalibur on Configuration A but wanted Configuration B and Configuration C to stay default with Slash Dash, you can do so! What does Ranking Helminth do?As you feed and use the Helminth system, you will rank up! Each Rank unlocks something different - from a new power, to more Subsume Slots (max Rank Helminth = unlimited Subsume Slots), make sure you progress through the Ranks by regularly Feeding Helminth, Subsuming, and Infusing your Warframes! What are the Helminth Abilities?Helminth Provides unique abilities of their own - these are subject to change before launch, but here is the current list: "EMPOWER" "Increase the power strength of your next ability." “ENERGY MUNITIONS" "Imbue your weapons with ammo efficiency." "INFESTED MOBILITY" "Increase your sprint and parkour speed." "MARKED FOR DEATH" “Stun an enemy, next damage you deal to it, will be dealt to all enemies around it." "REBUILD SHIELDS" "Instantly restore shields." "PERSPICACITY" "Your next hack will be automatic." "COMPANION HEAL" "Heal your companion and call it to your side." "EXPEDITE SUFFERING" "Hit enemies in a cone, affected enemies will have their Bleed and Toxin status removed and their remaining damage dealt in a burst."What is Infusion?Infusion is the process of injecting a Warframe with an Ability - whether it be one of Helminth’s own, or another Warframes. Every Warframe can receive 1 Infused ability at a time in any Ability slot (i.e you could place Shock on any of the 4 Ability slots). What is Subsuming? In addition to Helminth’s own Abilities, you can Subsume a Warframe to obtain 1 specific Ability permanently in Helminth’s memory (list below). We do not allow the Subsuming of any Prime Warframes, but you can Infuse Abilities on Prime Warframes! Subsuming is the act of permanently providing a base Warframe into the Helminth’s biology. 1 Warframe can be subsumed every 23 hours. The Warframe can be any Rank. What Abilities are earned on Subsuming a Warframe?The following table outlines the current Ability a given Warframe will provide on the Subsume action. This is subject to change before launch. WARFRAME ABILITY AUGMENT DEV NOTES Ash Shuriken Seeking Shuriken Atlas Petrify Ore Gaze We will not create Rubble. Banshee Silence Savage Silence Baruuk Lull Endless Lullaby Chroma Elemental Ward Everlasting Ward Ember Fire Blast Healing Flame Equinox Rest & Rage Calm & Frenzy We will use Rest or Rage depending on your Energy Colour. Excalibur Radial Blind Radiant Finish Frost Ice Wave Ice Wave Impede Gara Spectrorage Spectrosiphon Garuda Blood Altar n/a Gauss Thermal Sunder n/a Grendel Nourish n/a Keeps the heal and give Nourish Strike only. Harrow Condemn Tribunal Hildryn Pillage Blazing Pillage Drains 50 Energy instead of 50 Shield. Hydroid Tempest Barrage Corroding Barrage Inaros Desiccation Desiccation’s Curse Ivara Quiver Empowered Quiver Tap Cloak, Hold Noise. Augment only affects Cloak and Dashwire. Khora Ensnare n/a Limbo Banish Rift Haven Base Ability Change: Add ‘Cancel ability on Hold’ to let enemies out of Rift. Loki Decoy Savior Decoy Mag Pull Greedy Pull Mesa Shooting Gallery Muzzle Flash Mirage Eclipse Total Eclipse Nekros Terrify Creeping Terrify Nezha Fire Walker Pyroclastic Flow Nidus Larva Larva Burst Nova Null Star Neutron Star Nyx Mind Control Mind Freak Oberon Smite Smite Infusion Octavia Resonator Conductor Protea Dispensary n/a Revenant Reave Blinding Reave Rhino Roar Piercing Roar Saryn Molt Regen Molt Titania Spellbind Spellbound Harvest Trinity Well Of Life Pool of Life Base Ability Buffed - Now does small amount of heal over time over a large range. If you hit the enemy, a % of the damage dealt gets converted into AoE heal. Valkyr Warcry Eternal War Vauban Tesla Nervos Tesla Bank Volt Shock Shock Trooper Wisp Breach Surge n/a Wukong Defy n/a Xaku Xata’s Whisper n/a Zephyr Airburst n/a Base Ability Buffed - now has a HOLD or TAP functionality. HOLD to receive original functionality. TAP to suck enemies in a wind Vortex. What are my safeguards? Since you can remove an Ability at any time with the click of a button, you’ll be able to safely experiment with many creative combinations. For example, if you replace Grendel’s ‘1’, your kit doesn’t really work! If you change around or re-assign Abilities already assigned to Railjack Tactical use, you simply may not have one, or have a new one in its place! If you put Hildryn’s PIllage on Inaros, you don’t get Shields, but you do get diminished Armor/Shields on enemies on cast. It’s all up to you - have fun experimenting, Tenno! What about Damage buffing Abilities?As you can see, we have two Abilities that increase damage: Mirage’s Eclipse, and Rhino’s Roar. We are creating a special case for these Abilities when infused on Warframes with similar Abilities (i.e Chroma, Mirage, Rhino, Octavia). When you infuse these, you will receive a prompt that you can only have 1 Damage Buffing ability at a time, and thus you are limited to replacing said ability type. Which is to say - Damage Buffing abilities can only be swapped with Damage Buffing Abilities on Warframes that already have them. However, that limitation does not apply to the other 30+ Warframes. What exactly is going on here with the Warframe Subsuming?Warframes that are Subsumed join the Helminth in an eternal bond. They will live on in a Lotus flower that matches the colours of the Subsumed Warframe, as a permanent honor. See below for an example of the Helminth garden after 5 Subsumes: Reveal hidden contents Is ‘Helminth’ a permanent name?Don’t like it? You can rename your Helminth at any time! Is Helminth a Cat or Dog ‘Person’? Well, you’ll find out… Thank you very much for reading our Dev Workshop on the upcoming Helminth Feature - see you in game on August 25 on all platforms! ====================== AUGUST 19TH UPDATE: Greetings, Tenno! The launch of Heart of Deimos grows near, and we have some Helminth updates since we last posted! Below are 2 parts of updated/clarifying information that touches both Infused Warframe Abilities and the Helminth Segment acquisition. PART 1 - Changes to select Infused Warframe Abilities Please keep in mind we’re still testing/playing around with the values for each, hence why the values are not present below: The following only apply to Infused Warframe Abilities: Rhino - Roar Diminished Damage increase Mirage - Eclipse Diminished Damage increase and cap Damage Reduction Valkyr - Warcry Attack speed increase reduced Protea - Dispenser Duration reduced Nidus - Larva Radius reduced Wukong - Defy Armor capped Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules? It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused. PART 2 - Helminth Segment Acquisition As already indicated in this Dev Workshops original post, the Helminth Segment is acquired in the Heart of Deimos in the Entrati Syndicate. To expand on that, this means you’ll need to progress within the Entrati Syndicate located within the Necralisk to obtain the Helminth Segment before you can start experimenting with everything Helminth. Without spoiling too much, the Helminth Segment is currently obtained in Rank 3 of the Entrati Syndicate. This reminder is simply to set expectations on what you’ll have access to upon logging into the Heart of Deimos. EDIT: We have also changed the Mastery Rank Prerequisite of the Helminth Segment to 8 (was 15). That’s all for now! Guys (was) so excited for this... No jus feels like a bad taste in the mouth, video games are supposed to be for enjoyment at the core i thought? Tbe effort (and time more importantly) it takes to refarm frames, reforma etc etc etc, you guys can do so much better, the porential this has along with so many other aspects of the game... C'mon warfam where's the love gone? :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey_Star_Rival_Defender Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, (PS4)IrOrphanCrippler said: "Very experienced players" also doesn't mean a player played for no more than one month. Which is all it takes to get MR 8 while Not trying. And I base this not only from the 24h required but also MR points required. What would you consider a better lock? MR12. At the very least Helminth deserves a higher MR lock than Paracesis, which itself is a good mark between "player who doesn't know what they're doing" and "someone who ought to understand what 1K ducats are in terms of getting good weapons and mods." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoplipop Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, [DE]Megan said: AUGUST 19TH UPDATE: Greetings, Tenno! The launch of Heart of Deimos grows near, and we have some Helminth updates since we last posted! Below are 2 parts of updated/clarifying information that touches both Infused Warframe Abilities and the Helminth Segment acquisition. PART 1 - Changes to select Infused Warframe Abilities Please keep in mind we’re still testing/playing around with the values for each, hence why the values are not present below: The following only apply to Infused Warframe Abilities: Rhino - Roar Diminished Damage increase Mirage - Eclipse Diminished Damage increase and cap Damage Reduction Valkyr - Warcry Attack speed increase reduced Protea - Dispenser Duration reduced Nidus - Larva Radius reduced Wukong - Defy Armor capped Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules? It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused. please let it only be around a 30% decrese of the original so around 2/3 as powerfull at worst otherwise wome of these beceome wothless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey_Star_Rival_Defender Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, (XB1)SirMilkfiend said: I was expecting something like this those abilities are far too potent to be handed out like candy. If you have an overpowered synergy in mind *don't tell anyone* it won't get nerfed 😉 The only clarification I'd like do the nerfs affect the original frame? - I'd hate for Valkyr to get prodded again. No effects to the original frame. Assuming things work as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kxZyle Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sahansral said: Easier said than done. Just imagine by which amount you would have to buff abilities like air burst, decoy or hydoid barrage to make competitive to the top abilities. And every ability being competitive is bad, because...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)TONI__RIBEIRO Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 2020-08-12 at 6:27 PM, [DE]Rebecca said: EDIT: We have also changed the Mastery Rank Prerequisite of the Helminth Segment to 8 (was 15 And there it is, the beginning of the end. The nerfs are coming to us soon August 25th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey_Star_Rival_Defender Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 What is actually wrong with Defy? 1.5K armor is a lot for frames with no or low armor, but it's not as much as the 90% damage reduction most meta frames tout as being an ingrained part of their kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nooneyouknow13 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, ---Swaggi--- said: they still have overseen shock trooper and oberons 1st ability which are just insanely strong Shock Trooper and Smite/Smite Infusion are quite good. The issue with Shock Trooper and Smite Infusion, compared to the rest, is not only does your build need an open ability slot, but an open mod slot as well. And high power strength. That makes them less universally adoptable, so they'll go unnoticed for quite a while, even as players talk about them. So many of the subsumed skills are just trash though. And the only 3 subsumed mobility skills, Molt, Firewalker, and Reave aren't the greatest. Like, I feel like Wukong should never have given defy in the first place, his offering should have been Cloudwalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENGINEEEEER Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim22 said: can we get numbers please you cant just say damage reduction capped and expect us to know what the capped number is. Did you not read at all? The numbers aren't done yet. They'll tell us when they're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaun Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I feel lowering the MR requirement is a bit of a mistake for one reason: at MR8 the player will be inundated with a bunch of systems already in place. The helminth system will be another layer of complexity a player at that level doesn't really need. At that MR they'll have to deal with building up their arsenal, collecting mods, Relic hunts, Eidolons/Profit Taker, Focus farming, Liches and that whole system, Factions, and more that I can't really remember at this particular moment. They may have the resources to burn but those resources will best go to places like building new frames/weapons, building up dojos, or whatever else. Also having something tied to the progression adds a goal for the player. In fact, it probably would have worked best to increase the requirement because as it stands right now once MR16 is reached there's no real reason to go beyond that. However, if Helminth required say - MR18 - then there's another system to work towards beyond rivens. I mean in my part I'll likely just ignore the Helminth system altogether until I feel like opening another avenue so it doesn't really bother me either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdarts Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, [DE]Megan said: AUGUST 19TH UPDATE: Greetings, Tenno! The launch of Heart of Deimos grows near, and we have some Helminth updates since we last posted! Below are 2 parts of updated/clarifying information that touches both Infused Warframe Abilities and the Helminth Segment acquisition. PART 1 - Changes to select Infused Warframe Abilities Please keep in mind we’re still testing/playing around with the values for each, hence why the values are not present below: The following only apply to Infused Warframe Abilities: Rhino - Roar Diminished Damage increase Mirage - Eclipse Diminished Damage increase and cap Damage Reduction Valkyr - Warcry Attack speed increase reduced Protea - Dispenser Duration reduced Nidus - Larva Radius reduced Wukong - Defy Armor capped Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules? It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused. PART 2 - Helminth Segment Acquisition As already indicated in this Dev Workshops original post, the Helminth Segment is acquired in the Heart of Deimos in the Entrati Syndicate. To expand on that, this means you’ll need to progress within the Entrati Syndicate located within the Necralisk to obtain the Helminth Segment before you can start experimenting with everything Helminth. Without spoiling too much, the Helminth Segment is currently obtained in Rank 3 of the Entrati Syndicate. This reminder is simply to set expectations on what you’ll have access to upon logging into the Heart of Deimos. That’s all for now! Hi, Megan. While I understand the changes, I can't help but feel that DE took a lot of the vitriol too seriously from a small part of the community who didn't even think through and just looked at the original ideas superficially. Take Rhino's Roar for example, people kept complaining it would break the game if a DPS Warframe got it as an ability. Which couldn't be farther from the truth, otherwise every time a DPS Warframe was in the same team as a Rhino and received the Roar buff, it broke the game... Rhino is in the game for years and years, and it never broke the game in that way. Yet people kept complaining about issues like this which aren't really issues. Another thing to take into consideration is that for Solo players who never get the benefit of easier missions due to being 1 vs a team of 4, abilities like Rhino's Roar would be great to help them compliment their Warframe's abilities and specially weapons' damage, which if you are levelling weapons and the damage output is low, missions can take considerably longer because of it and a DPS boost is exactly what would help make these missions faster. If the decrease in boost is permanent, I would at least ask that the developers at DE consider keeping the "damage buff abilities" with the same original power for weapons. This way it circumvents the imaginary "broken" scenario in which a DPS Warframe gets a damage buff, while allowing weapons to get the damage buff. I just hope this doesn't make people now start complaining that weapons getting damage buff will brake the game... when you can use any weapon with any damage increasing ability Warframe for years and it has always been fine. Anyway, I hope this reach the developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 LMAO at people crying about a system before its released. Every one of you are still going to bumrush helminth and rage about it when its released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince_El-Ahrairah Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, ---Swaggi--- said: Not really since w/o his 1st augment iron skin is rather weak with its ~6k hp. Also you would need the 2nd augment in order to recast it otherwise you would be vulnerable if it runs out If only you had 3 seconds of complete invulnerability to build up ridiculous amounts of Iron Skin health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRVoidGuru Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Grey_Star_Rival_Defender said: MR12. At the very least Helminth deserves a higher MR lock than Paracesis, which itself is a good mark between "player who doesn't know what they're doing" and "someone who ought to understand what 1K ducats are in terms of getting good weapons and mods." I find that another acceptable lock is to have completed the steel path starchart But may seem too extreme for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahansral Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 vor 1 Minute schrieb kxZyle: And every ability being competitive is bad, because...? You misunderstood me. I‘d like to see all abilities viable and competitive. But some abilities are so low/bad at the moment, that I cannot fathom a way to make them competitive to things like roar. DE would have to rebuild them from the scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_TTV Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 dang and they said stuff was gonna get nerfed right away.... next level nerfs before it even comes out! real innovation with these new updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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