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Justo ahora, KurtisPrime dijo:

Nefting Roar doesn't make Decoy any better it just make Roar S#&$tier.

 

but buffing decoy doesn't make it a better option than roar?

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This change from MR15 to MR8 will do more harm than good. MR8 players are still newbies, you can get there in just 8 days if you wanted after making a new account. New players are already too overwhelmed with stuff to do. An MR8 probably will have like 3-4 warframes and not optimized builds. Granting them an ability to remove a warframe is just harmful for them. I already see the hudnreds of support tickets coming in titled "Please refund my warframe"

 

And why does this feature require MR8 when ayatan sculpture autoequip is locked behind MR10?!

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3 minutes ago, Fl_3 said:

Question.

This thread is now 139 pages long as I type this.

How many of the people who have posted here are going to stop playing Warframe because of this change to an unreleased system?

Or is this all just so much hot air and butthurt?

This system hasn't even been played yet but it's ruined? How? How can we know that if we haven't even played it yet?

Throwing Roar on Saryn will still make her stronger than she was before, giving Nezah Larva will still make him more powerful, or are people not going to bother now? Are you all giving up simply because that ability isn't going to be as powerful as it was on it's original frame?

Why should an ability taken from one frame and slapped on another be as powerful as the original?

I think it's the people that aren't giving feedback who've got the right of it. The less players say about potentially non-obvious combos, the more work QA has to do to find them, and the better chance that the combo makes it into the game and we at least get to use it for a little while. The people who are commenting on this thread will likely at least test things out before ditching Warframe. They care enough about the game to give feedback, if that's any indication of things.

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Dear DE, if you didn't notice by now how much the playerbase is unsatisfied by these actions (for me personally its most importantly the MR requirement), let me put it into a new perspective: This is the first time ever I saw TacticalPotato loosing his cool/positivity. Like, ever.

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2 minutes ago, danberhe said:

yeah but nerfing roar was inevitable, Again you cant have other abilities be useful without roar and eclipse being nerf, with other abilities i hope they buff the usless rather than nerf the most used. but roar and eclipse are just too useful to have compared to other abilities.

of course it was, its DE we are talking about, the same people who thought, and no, this is no joke, archwings shouldnt have vaccum because vaccum is a sentinel mod...
this is the type of logic they work of,

and like i said, no amount of nerf will change the fact, most people will pick roar whenever they can. its just that good of an ability. however, like i also said time and again, roar isnt the best for every case, so long there are better options for what you need. people want a good survivability skill on squichy frames, and there are cases of frames that use negative str, or low duration, making roar borderline useless.

better options is always better than less good ones. higher floor, not lower ceiling...

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2 minutes ago, danberhe said:

but buffing decoy doesn't make it a better option than roar?

no one is asking it to be either though, some abilities are just not going to be amazing, that's inevitable.

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Let us pick any and all abilities from any warframe, in any amount on to any other. If someone wants to take all Rhino's abilities and replace all of Loki's with them, just let them.

It will be broken, overpowered and there will be buggy messes, but people will have fun with the game in a way they haven't had since they started mixing and matching mods.

I'm sick of the nerfs and the mythical journey towards some sort of "balance". Just let us have fun with it.

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5 minutes ago, danberhe said:

but buffing decoy doesn't make it a better option than roar?

The problem is not Roar being better than Decoy or a buffed Decoy being better than Roar.

The question is, how much better is it?

X > Y = Not a problem. Most people can take a small tradeoff.

X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y = Huge problem. Y is no longer an option at all.

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vor 8 Minuten schrieb KurtisPrime:

Nefting Roar doesn't make Decoy any better it just make Roar S#&$tier.

 

Nerfing roar will make people thinking hard about choosing shock, nourish or smite instead. Real choice instead no brainer cookie cutter.

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hace 13 minutos, Mr.Nasho dijo:

PLEASE REVERT THE MR REQUIREMENT TO 15 AGAIN NOW

Is still hard for a newer player get to the Helminith, you will need to farm resources, build a frame, is not that easy, increase the entraty, with no mr is hard, cause the maximun will be 8000 points per day, so in the meantime, they will be at mr 15, only the veterans will know how to access this part at the MR 8. no a newer player, also imagine if you have to kill High level enemies, a simply mr8 with no idea of how the game works wont be able to unlock it! the thing in here is mastery Rank need a rework, cause Mr15 DO NOT REPRESET a veteran player, also 28. do not represent a veteran player. They have to find another way to make a meaningful badge of your experience.

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Just now, Pzykdruhgs said:

no one is asking it to be either though, some abilities are just not going to be amazing, that's inevitable.

they dont need to be, they just need to be better than useless... like decoy is on anyone without a switch ability. and even on loki, its borderline useless, bar a couple of cases.

there's no reason to even pick decoy when molt does the same, buffs move speed, removes neg status, and can also be used as a heal... and lets not forget the most amazing mod ever... share damage on decoy, so you take his damage, and he takes yours... on an ability that force agro enemies towards it... which is reaching for levels of trolling never seen before!

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hace 1 minuto, Keyhound dijo:

of course it was, its DE we are talking about, the same people who thought, and no, this is no joke, archwings shouldnt have vaccum because vaccum is a sentinel mod...
this is the type of logic they work of,

and like i said, no amount of nerf will change the fact, most people will pick roar whenever they can. its just that good of an ability. however, like i also said time and again, roar isnt the best for every case, so long there are better options for what you need. people want a good survivability skill on squichy frames, and there are cases of frames that use negative str, or low duration, making roar borderline useless.

better options is always better than less good ones. higher floor, not lower ceiling...

it might not be the best for every case but is still the best for the majority of cases and that's the problem yeah i wouldn't put damage buffs on loki or ivara most of the time but almost every other frame would be happy to sacrifice a useless ability for being able to oneshot everything.

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How do some weapons have a higher MR requirements than a system that deletes warframes for power? Please go back on lowering the MR, it was nice to finally have a system for vets and because you guys scared to leave new players out, your giving a system that let's newer players delete warframes.

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10 hours ago, bibmobello said:

They even gave khora parts for free on twitch.

If only I had the foresight to build a 2nd Khora, or paid attention to Twitch promotions. Time for me to git gud.

I still don't see what all the salt is about, you can already trivialize the entire game into an I-Win button if that's your thing, Steel Path endurance kuva farms are a solved meta described as "95% AFK except the Khora spam." Helminth gives us new toys to play with and lets everyone RP their frame "rework" fanfiction essays in game. I'll be enjoying my sandbox while the power fantasy potatoes cry ITT that their faceroll Roar Wisp is only doubling their damage and not tripling it.

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At first I was hyped for that but instead of buffing bad abitlities (decoy, spectrorage, ice wave, terrify, mind control, etc...) You chose to nerf de good ones.

There was an opportunity to buff/changes bad abilities without doing total reworks of those frames. What about Decoy that is a less usefull lantern (titania), or mind control that is single target (wich in this game doesn't work with the gameplay).

You could buff those on the base frame so ppl will have harder choice to replace but chose the nerf mentality again. I played for 6+ years and I don't understand why is it so hard to make frames powerfull ? This ISN'T a hard game. It's a looter/shooter vs hordes of ennemies and that's OK ! That's the fun of it. Shooting TONS of ennemies with crazy powers.

 

(Also MR8 is too low. MR 11/12 would be a good choice since ppl with that MR continue to play or stop but aren't in the "beginning" phase of the game anymore).

 

I'm still waiting for this but less than at tennocon. I'm waiting for the open infested area too. Love the look of it. Keep up the good work, don't focus on nerfing stuff but bump what needs to be and don't hesitate to make it powerfull.

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Just now, Sahansral said:

Nerfing roar will make people thinking hard about choosing shock, nourish or smite.

in other words, nothing changed, since they still would even before this nerf... also, no reason to pick shock, when smite is better for the majority of cases.

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These nerf are stupid. Please just revert it. Utilitize your mastery rank system. This is supposed to be powerful content for more experienced players. Mr 8 is not experienced. If there is a higher MR for the system there is more incentive for players to play more and experience the cool content. I’m not surprised by the nerfs but let us enjoy the system. We want to feel powerful and really utilize the system at its fullest. You’re angering a lot of your community. Because most of the other chosen abilities are terrible. Gosh I love this game so much. But I’m so tired of these nerfs.  

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38 minutes ago, (XB1)DEVIL 666 PL said:


 

Hello DE, why do you want Rhino Roar nerfs?
This is my favorite frame I put into Rhino 2 Umbra forma
if you start nerfing abillties you will take the pleasure of this game
Please do not nerf abilities Roar or change to other abilities
I really like this game, I have already spent over 3300 hours in this game
most of the time I was playing Rhino
I will be very sad and angry if I have nerfed Roar abilities and I have to think about to continue playing this game

They aren't touching rhino, only the ability when you put it in other frames

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Some of the abilities seem like they could be overwhelmingly used by the playerbase? Why? Maybe because they are good and the other ones suck. No one in their right mind would use decoy in its current state, and making desirable abilities less desirable only makes all the abilities non-desirable. This was a system I was pretty excited for, it gave potential for new interesting builds, but with nerfs like these it'll just be more mediocre content. And why bother giving it to MR 8? It was supposed to be powerful endgame content anyway. 

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1 minute ago, danberhe said:

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it might not be the best for every case but is still the best for the majority of cases and that's the problem yeah i wouldn't put damage buffs on loki or ivara most of the time but almost every other frame would be happy to sacrifice a useless ability for being able to oneshot everything.

which is why people want better choices. this nerf dint change that. roar still remains a top tier choice, because of how it works.

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I give you the last tips before releasing this update:

You had to test the game on a serious levels with experienced players for each frame.

Testing against level 20 enemies nowadays it's just stupid.

Some abilities are totally broken for some frames, now you can use ivara cloak on equinox destroying everything on every level without dying once.

Speedruns, Killing level 20 enemies is not fun anymore.

This is not fun at all but  if you are releasing this update just for little kids without money in their wallet...

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