The Helminth: Dev Workshop

[malk600 16]

Shaking my head at people crying "OMG BALANCE". Balance is already nonexistent, as proven by Steel Path's release. A reasonably competent player with a *decent* build (not anything crazy, no absurd 5k plat rivens, no niche combinations, just a good build on a good warframe) can solo everything, melt level 150+ armor boosted enemies for hours on end, lock down Interception to effortlessly farm... etc etc.

 

People crying bloody murder over Roar beign a thing need a reality check. First of all, you need to build high strength for it to be worth it, and not all builds actually do that, not by a long shot. Second of all, if you take a decent Excal, Baruuk, or, may Allah have mercy, Khora, with a decent - again, not insane, no rivens or other S#&$ - build and stat stick into Steel Path, you are hitting 2-3 mil damage per swing easily... what's the big fkn deal if you add Roar to her and hit for 5-6 mil instead? Overkill is overkill, enemies ain't gonna get any more dead than they already get at 0 hp. So it's just for fun and watching pretty numbers fly.

 

Which is *exactly* what Warframe is all about. Bonus points: some of these interactions will prop up B-tier warframes that are seldom played because they get overshadowed by other, stronger picks. Ember can now get swole, Inaros can finally get a decent use for strength and become a discount Rhino with more health, Chroma could get some cc, Nekros can have something more substantial than "press 3 once, then keep swinging your melee".

[Ben_Pls_ 29]

5 minutes ago, Roble_Viejo said:

You know whats the problem buddy? When you invest hours to have a cool loadout then DE breaks the meta and your stuff is useless. 

Then you need to play what everybody is playing or suffer. 

It keeps happening. And this system is like the godlike version or this issue. 

Expect mains of niche frames get their souls shattered (Quiver on any frame)

Expect the Saryn with Piercing Roar deleting everything before you can reload

Expect the ShieldGatin abuse that will come with these shield restoring abilities

Expect the nuke frame with Ore Gaze (extra loot chance that scales with strength)
to abolish ALL OTHER LOOTING ABILITIES 

You dont understand, do you? This was supposed to be gimmicky and niche, but adding such abilities they are literally making Warframes irrelevant. 
 

Thank you.

[n.ull. 139]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Roble_Viejo:

You know whats the problem buddy? When you invest hours to have a cool loadout then DE breaks the meta and your stuff is useless. 

Then you need to play what everybody is playing or suffer.

I have been playing this game for a long time and I have never been forced to play something just bc it is the meta. Even if DE needed a thing I liked i have never felt like that forced me to play a way I didn't want to. The only place where I really feel I can see this happening is ESO with saryn, but even then the funny thing is that more then one saryn actually makes both of them worse. Anyway outside of that one game mode I never pressured by the meta in anyway, mainly bc the game is so easy to begin with.

[Airwolfen 6,637]

Just now, 2ndPersonPlural said:

Can you put a helminth unique ability and a subsumed warframe ability on the same frame?

Just 1 change overall. To the system they are all just abilities in the same choice pool.

[(PSN)GyroDriveSmasher 4]

1 minute ago, Airwolfen said:

Totally not using Pillage to abuse Shield gate or anything or just give shield frames a massive buff. Don't mind me.

Pillage on Mag should be fun

[VGS038 6]

 

1 hour ago, --Q--Candy said:

This is incorrect. You have stuff like Volt - Shock there. With the Augment this is a crazy Ability to increase dmg. Can we get a limitation there too?

Shuriken + Seekign Shuriken = Remove Armor from all enemies... Now even grineer are a joke like all other factions.
Rest & Rage = Now you can bee your own Sleep Equinox to power level / fokus farm.
Nourish = Extremly strong toxin buff. The quote from above applies here.
Smite + Smite Infusion = Same thing as the Quote applies here and it even has scaling dmg...
Dispensary = Endless Energy for all Warframes.... This doesnt seem broken at all...

This system needs Heavy Nerfs and active maintenance.This has the potential to kill the balance in this game forever. If it will be relased like this and wont get balanced very often you can say goodbye to all sorts of Balance in this game.
I hope that you will do something about this, else we can say goodbye to ever have any challenge in this game.

 

(Shutout to the comment from --Q--FSK41 a few posts down. This System will kill everything)

 

1 hour ago, --Q--FSK41 said:

This System is broken and will break the game completely,it shouldn't come into the game so many broken  combinations,for example mesa and eclipse/roar = who the hell thought of this. its completely unbalanced PLEASE DE do NOT put this into the game,since you made enemies paper the game is already quite easy but with this its literally broken

Oh game's too easy for you huh? Well then, get an MK-1 stuff and go for Steel Path, please Tenshin a bit

[Rin-senpai 374]

Just now, EmberStar said:

Then you might want to say which Warframe that is and what broke, because I'm not seeing it from that image.  Sorry.

i write it...

Trinity Prime... but i see also Titania have same issue


@[DE]Rebecca pls poke technicans 😧

[ABlindGuyPlays 4,781]

2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

Gauss

Thermal Sunder

I am assuming this is going to have effective duration and output as if 'zero batery charge' were in play?

What of chroma's elemental ward?

Why does equinox's rest/rage have an energy color mechanic why not tap/hold?

[GEN-Son_17 147]

This sounds....EPIC!! I can't wait to get in on this system!!

[EmberStar 2,667]

Just now, 2ndPersonPlural said:

Can you put a helminth unique ability and a subsumed warframe ability on the same frame?

I believe you can only inject one ability *per configuration.*  So you could put a subsumed ability on Config A, and a Helminth ability on Config B.  But you can't swap out two abilities in the same Config setup.  I could be reading it wrong, but it seems like the game mechanic doesn't see a difference between "Subsumed" and "Helminth," you're just allowed one injected ability at a time.  I could be reading it wrong though, I don't know.

[(PSN)Phyrexian_Augur 22]

1 hour ago, --Q--Candy said:

This is incorrect. You have stuff like Volt - Shock there. With the Augment this is a crazy Ability to increase dmg. Can we get a limitation there too?

Shuriken + Seekign Shuriken = Remove Armor from all enemies... Now even grineer are a joke like all other factions.
Rest & Rage = Now you can bee your own Sleep Equinox to power level / fokus farm.
Nourish = Extremly strong toxin buff. The quote from above applies here.
Smite + Smite Infusion = Same thing as the Quote applies here and it even has scaling dmg...
Dispensary = Endless Energy for all Warframes.... This doesnt seem broken at all...

This system needs Heavy Nerfs and active maintenance.This has the potential to kill the balance in this game forever. If it will be relased like this and wont get balanced very often you can say goodbye to all sorts of Balance in this game.
I hope that you will do something about this, else we can say goodbye to ever have any challenge in this game.

 

(Shutout to the comment from --Q--FSK41 a few posts down. This System will kill everything)

Incredible that the first reply post is the fun police decrying this MR15+ content for being imbalanced. Wait until it's out before you make this snap judgement.

And even if it is a powerful tool, good. I deserve my power fantasy after 3k hours and all frames built 3x over for this (original then Primes then Helminth fodder).

Honestly shaking my head, I just don't get this kind of reply straight OUT THE GATE. 

[(PSN)Oracle-Raven 505]

I really love the new system, and I really want to praise DE for it from the bottom of my heart...

...but having it being locked at MR 15 is one of the stupidest decision I've seen. It's incredibly frustrating. I'm MR29, but I play with a lot of MR 8-10 friends, and the MR15 lock is just going to make them all quit the game entirely at this point... I'm very disappointed by that.

[Simply_The_Cat 53]

1 час назад, --Q--Candy сказал:

-say goodbye to all sorts of Balance in this game.

-I hope that you will do something about this, else we can say goodbye to ever have any challenge in this game.

 -This System will kill everything

Bwahahahah, too late for that. Rivens are already in the game. 

[Ben_Pls_ 29]

1 minute ago, n.ull. said:

I have been playing this game for a long time and I have never been forced to play something just bc it is the meta. Even if DE needed a thing I liked i have never felt like that forced me to play a way I didn't want to. The only place where I really feel I can see this happening is ESO with saryn, but even then the funny thing is that more then one saryn actually makes both of them worse. Anyway outside of that one game mode I never pressured by the meta in anyway, mainly bc the game is so easy to begin with.

You see. That is because, up until this point, DE has done a good job with new updates.

[Tesseract7777 15,563]

Just now, EmberStar said:

I'm just curious, but how is this any different than "Every Operator already takes Zenurik or you're doing it wrong?"  Some Warframes will be able to use abilities more often.  In exchange for losing an ability (arguably not a big deal in many cases.)  And also *standing around* for up to 30 seconds at a time waiting for it to spit out energy balls.  Also, nearly anyone who wants energy can just craft, you know, five hundred energy charger consumables already and drop them four or five at a time.  Especially now that we have a version that anyone can get without Syndicate ranking and craft literally a hundred at a time.

Yeah Dispensary doesn't sound like an "a config" ability to me, even though I want to try it on a couple frames. 

If not only the frame, but the mission doesn't call for some decent standing around it's just a waste of an ability slot. 

[(PSN)palebluelight 110]

1 hour ago, --Q--Candy said:

This is incorrect. You have stuff like Volt - Shock there. With the Augment this is a crazy Ability to increase dmg. Can we get a limitation there too?

Shuriken + Seekign Shuriken = Remove Armor from all enemies... Now even grineer are a joke like all other factions.
Rest & Rage = Now you can bee your own Sleep Equinox to power level / fokus farm.
Nourish = Extremly strong toxin buff. The quote from above applies here.
Smite + Smite Infusion = Same thing as the Quote applies here and it even has scaling dmg...
Dispensary = Endless Energy for all Warframes.... This doesnt seem broken at all...

This system needs Heavy Nerfs and active maintenance.This has the potential to kill the balance in this game forever. If it will be relased like this and wont get balanced very often you can say goodbye to all sorts of Balance in this game.
I hope that you will do something about this, else we can say goodbye to ever have any challenge in this game.

 

(Shutout to the comment from --Q--FSK41 a few posts down. This System will kill everything)

Wah wah 😭 

[Zoero 717]

How are augments like blazing pillage going to work in other frames?

fyi: augment requires enemies to be affected by Haven (third ability) which is not possible with subsumed abilities.

[ShogunGunshow 978]

I'll never understand the people that shout down appeals for balance with 'it's already unbalanced, let it get broken further.'

Like, I know you guys want your shiny toys, but it isn't helpful to the long-term health of the game.

[(XBOX)TheRedPandaGamr 0]

Could we possibly get a reduction in the prerequisite mastery rank DE?  

[BigWillBlue 45]

People were speculating and complaining all the subsume abilities would be weak, and that the new system would be useless. You add a handful of good abilities and now suddenly everyone is up in arms about the "balance" of the system. 

 you really can't win, can you? DE

Don't get me wrong: I have my own doubts about the strength of Roar or eclipse on already powerful frames. Perhaps the answer is to just cop-out and pick the weaker abilities, but you can't please everyone and people will say the system is useless. So I look forward to seeing how crazy this new system is. It's gonna be a wild ride. If it doesn't work out, it will be nerfed, no sense worrying about it.

[Bathynomus 202]

Don't like it in the slightest. This is going to be a mistake of the grandest scale.

[(PSN)BURNMEDUSA 4]

26 minutes ago, kgabor said:

Considering the replacement abilities, this system wasn't given as much thought as it should have, this will be really broken.

Only 2-3 must haves and some niche abilities worth using, the rest...

And some frames give their straight up best ability...

So poorly thought out.

I wonder why DE do this.... They literaly give us Mirage Eclipse and Rhino Roar like WTF, let's see how broken this 2 skill, Eclipse can be huge damage boost or immunity ( yes its 95% ) but 5% damage from enemy is a joke it Will never touch my health even if i don't use redirection or Vigor. Rhino Roar is also huge damage buff and it works very well on tricap even though without it tricap already fast. They should change mirrage elcipse with her 2nd skill and Rhino Roar change with his 1st skill or maybe his 2nd considering its stack up with armor, not everyone have a lot of armor. But look at this, because this system they force wukong and saryn to give one of their ability and its more broken because every saryn skill only fits for her and they choose molt because its not part of the nuke, but its mean with her augment every frame can get constant regen especially high strength builds. And wukong, they also Fked up because they don't know what to sacrifice with wukong, his 1st means free Spectre which is good but broken if its use with every frame ( u can just afk in mobile defense and excavation with this skill ) his 2nd also work the same like saryn molt but better and they choose his 3rd because its the only NON OP skill from wukong and yes its still op tbh it can give u 1.5k armor. So yeah saryn and wukong is a big deal considering both doesnt have any trash skill to sacrifice for helmint, and they also not picking Mirage and Rhino trash skill, instead they give their damage buff. This night be the end of warframe fun, everyone Will use 1 frame with spesific helminth ability just like every people loadout its a boring Bramma combine with Nukor and a meler either gram, Kronen, pennant , dual keres, paracesis, kripath, dokrahm. Edited because fixing some typo :)

Edited August 12 by (PS4)BURNMEDUSA
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[(PSN)wizardly-coat 2]

That's bs give me celestial twin.

[Cono_Nova 0]

I personally would much much rather have Gauss march rush, having his thermal sunder makes no sense, plus mad rush on some frames would be so much fun!

[Banelingline 37]

10 minutes ago, Atalandros said:

Hildryn

Pillage

Blazing Pillage

Drains 50 Energy instead of 50 Shield.

Did you just kill Zenurik? 😲

Maybe, but that's Dispensory. Pillage is doing the same as it does now, but costs Energy on other 'Frames, so it's "just" a defense-stripping shield recharger.

My own take is that Roar is probably not going to be the meta for the simple reason that it's a team buff, so only one person needs it, so why not bring Rhino and stick some other big useful thing on the damage buffer that's virtually immortal? Like Dispensory to make that damage buff actually stick around forever and keep him not dying, while simultaneously giving everyone access to ammo and energy so they can actually make use of the damage buff?