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Anyone on the forums can tell you that I'm all for nerfing overpowered abilities, but the question you should probably be asking is why everyone wanted those ones.

Maybe you should be making sure that all of the abilities you added to the system were actually worth having, because clearly many abilities in this game were simply fluff that was thrown in because frames needed 4 abilities before you could release them. 

There shouldn't be a single ability on that list that you have to have a fanboy justify its use through some niche purpose. Every single one should've had practical use in most missions...and many abilities in this game don't even have practical use on the frame they were designed for....

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MR literally has no meaning at this point. "This system is certainly not for newer players" then WHY did you give it to MR 8's. When someone joins warframe they ask, oh what do you do later on in the game, and all I can say is NOTHING because there is no system which requires you to have HIGHER MR for HIGHER end players. Please for the love of god revert it to MR 15.

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23 minutes ago, mikakor said:

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Oh come on. Just imagine that DE would made this 6 abilties totally unavailable instead of toning them down, each and every frame still would get stronger and more interesting with the remaining abilitites in comparison to now.
I saw enough OP things in this game that took the fun out of the game.

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27 minutes ago, [DE]Megan said:

EDIT: We have also changed the Mastery Rank Prerequisite of the Helminth Segment to 8 (was 15).

Mr 8 it's too low, mr 8 players have a lot to do already, lot to learn and lot to farm, and they will be overwhelmed by this. I'm not "flaiming" new player but this is just too low.

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another powercreep system. No balance, nothing.... disappointed over 90000000000000000000000000000000000000000000!

Press one buttom for kill. *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING"

You know what? Just balance the game. ¬¬

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Just now, Voltage said:

XP levels are standard in so many games. If you want to stay at MR 16, you do you, but things should start being gated at 20, the halfway mark, especially with power like the Helminth system. If you want to partake in every system the game has to offer, you should have to gain the main XP levels to do so.

but you don't explain WHY we should do it.

You expect me to raise 4 MRs, grinding pointless content because what? you told me to?

So raids where what, MR3 gated, trading MR2, but helmith should be 20. Absolutely reasonable...............-____-

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hace 5 minutos, KIREEK dijo:

0 or 29, it doesn't matter, MR doesn't show progression, it's just a grind, a pointless one i might add.

He is right, I planned ahead to get from MR 10 -> MR 15 by launch (2 week plan) by just farming frames and weapons as much as I could and I know I could be playing for months before I reach that at my current playstyle. MR is not a reliable base to say if someone is a begginer or not.

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1 minute ago, Sahansral said:

Oh come on. Just imagine that DE would made this 6 abilties totally unavailable instead of toning them down, each and every frame still would get stronger and more interesting with the remaining abilitites in comparison to now.
I saw enough OP things in this game that took the fun out of the game.

we would still be left with more mediocres abilities. that's a FACT. there's the good, and the bad one. if everything's left is the abd abilities, then it was a negative.

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Who is this for?
We consider this a customization system for very experienced Warframe players (Mastery Rank 15 8 Prerequisite). We do not intend to let newer players unlock this system. We intentionally placed the Segment deep into progression to ensure only experienced players could access the Segment and begin their journey with Helminth. <------- THIS MAKES NO SENSE. I'm sorry but MR8 is NOT very experienced WHATSOEVER

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why lower to MR8? you are giving way too many things to low level players. Rivens, Liches, and now this. makes no sense, the game is overwhelming as is for a new player and this will be even more to pile on. 

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3 minutes ago, mikakor said:

"respect my time. i suffered so everyone should."

Yeah so its no suffering to farm a medaillon which just give 1k freaking standing AND has a ridiculous drop chance in only one game mode? xD

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1 minute ago, PachucaSunrise said:

why lower to MR8? you are giving way too many things to low level players. Rivens, Liches, and now this. makes no sense

Its actually more overwhelming for new players which dont even have good weapons to kill stronger enemies then complain and enemies got nerfed xD

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That reminds me of something

Do you know why most new players don't stay? Because the game can be too overwhelming, most likely because not much is explained 

DE's solution? Give Helminth power swap at MR 8

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1 minute ago, ---Swaggi--- said:

Yeah so its no suffering to farm a medaillon which just give 1k freaking standing AND has a ridiculous drop chance in only one game mode? xD

hey, they wanted to feel like they actually accomplished something. that's a change from the real life world for them. kinda like a medal 😛

 

when you think about it, the universal medallion farm was actually harder than the conclave farm.

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1 hour ago, [DE]Megan said:

AUGUST 19TH UPDATE:

Greetings, Tenno!

The launch of Heart of Deimos grows near, and we have some Helminth updates since we last posted! Below are 2 parts of updated/clarifying information that touches both Infused Warframe Abilities and the Helminth Segment acquisition.  

PART 1 - Changes to select Infused Warframe Abilities

Please keep in mind we’re still testing/playing around with the values for each, hence why the values are not present below:

The following only apply to Infused Warframe Abilities:

Rhino - Roar
Diminished Damage increase

Mirage - Eclipse
Diminished Damage increase and cap Damage Reduction 

Valkyr - Warcry
Attack speed increase reduced

Protea - Dispenser
Duration reduced

Nidus - Larva
Radius reduced

Wukong - Defy
Armor capped


Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules?
It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused.


PART 2 - Helminth Segment Acquisition

As already indicated in this Dev Workshops original post, the Helminth Segment is acquired in the Heart of Deimos in the Entrati Syndicate. To expand on that, this means you’ll need to progress within the Entrati Syndicate located within the Necralisk to obtain the Helminth Segment before you can start experimenting with everything Helminth. 

Without spoiling too much, the Helminth Segment is currently obtained in Rank 3 of the Entrati Syndicate. This reminder is simply to set expectations on what you’ll have access to upon logging into the Heart of Deimos. 

That’s all for now!

how to ruin hype, 
i mean yeah its logical to nerf these but i hope the nerf isnt way too much like to the point where you just ignore the helminth segment all together
 

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Big suprise the vocal majority of this community ruins something else in this game. Now I see people saying "Wow, there goes DE again nerfing stuff." Like yeah because when they posted this originally, 98% of the posts were complaining about how "OP" this system is. This game isnt a MOBA, there is no meta...

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58 minutes ago, [DE]Megan said:

Wukong - Defy

You realize the only reason why overwhelming majority of players looking for a survivability increase would pick Defy only because the other options are simply godawful? Defy isn't even that stellar, it's rather annoying to use with the long cast time forced on you by having to soak enemy damage, and relying on enemy damage to get the buff to begin in. But let's see what else we have.

Null Star - practically no value unless it completely dictates how you mod your frame, and even then it also needs an augment slot. Very few frames, if any, would be able to use the rest of their kit effectively under those conditions.

Eclipse - far too unreliable. It's something you'd take when you don't really need anything, but might as well take something extra. Absolutely not the right choice when you really need one of the things it offers.

Elemental Ward, Warcry armor buff - those work off of the frame's base stats so again, no value at all for frames that need survivability to begin with.

But I guess hitting Defy and bringing it to the same level is easier than examining why no one cares for the other defensive abilities, eh?

And you know, you picked Defy as subsumable ability and created the entire problem yourself to begin with, even though Celestial Twin would have been a 100% fine and consequence-free option. The damage we deal is already beyond overkill for pretty much all content that people do without going outside the intended gameplay loop, so who cares if everyone gets a clone, big whoop. Not every frame would even be able to make good use of it because it needs some base survivability unless you want to spend your life recasting it constantly.

So what's next? Ability disposition? Exceptions to exceptions to exceptions? Having to read an entire wiki article to know the difference between an ability in it's natural state and the helminth version? Currently it's exaggeration of course, but the way signs are starting to align, it doesn't seem that unlikely anymore.

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I dont see why we need to make every part of the game available to players in the first few weeks. Can we get some endgame please? Also how many new Players will mistakenly sacrifice their warframes and later regret it? Because MR8 is ***** NEW and in no way or form experienced at all. Please revert this DE.

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Who is this for?
We consider this a customization system for very experienced Warframe players (Mastery Rank 15 8 Prerequisite).

 

I'm not against changing the MR requirement, but at the very least, stop selling and promoting this as a thing for "experienced" players then. MR8 can barely be called intermediate. My guess would be that you don't want to experience another Empyrean situation, but if you are going forward with this try to be truthful.

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Abilities should be balanced and meaningful, but MR8 seems too low. I've seen low MR players frequently mismanage resources/time and get overwhelmed by many of the already existing systems (e.g. accidentally spawning Kuva Liches, forgetting about Focus entirely unless they fight against Eidolons).

Unlocking the Helminth this early will potentially reduce the game's clarity for these players, maybe even give them the impression that Warframe is much grindier than it actually is.

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9 minutes ago, KIREEK said:

but you don't explain WHY we should do it.

You expect me to raise 4 MRs, grinding pointless content because what? you told me to?

So raids where what, MR3 gated, trading MR2, but helmith should be 20. Absolutely reasonable...............-____-

No. But when de said that the system is for "very experienced warframe players", I expected the MR required to match that of the highest MR requirement in game. Currently MR 16 riven mods. 

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A little reactionary but I get it.

Though I feel you should buff things to meet the power of the others. Buff / give mechanics to some of the more lackluster abilities, like Hydroid's barrage. Make them more desirable while buffing weak abilities.

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28 minutes ago, [DE]Megan said:

EDIT: We have also changed the Mastery Rank Prerequisite of the Helminth Segment to 8 (was 15).

I'm not sure if the funniest part is the 1 week experienced players or the fact it got pushed just before the MR9 test so many people complain about because it's been even more infuriating than before since the enemy detection changes with the Fortuna update. game design amirite fellas.

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