Dear Heart of Deimos Update, please don't forget about the Infested.

[Zahnrad]

A hyperbolic title I know. But I assure you there is merit to it. I will potentially come off as harsh but it's because I don't want to see the Infested in their own Open World be backstage to the Entrati.

The Infested and The Corrupted are my two favourite factions in Warframe and unfortunately I feel they often get the short end of the stick no matter what they're given. The Corrupted aren't updated much if at all so I don't really need to talk about that.

The Infested however have had several Infested-centric updates containing lore...but not about the Infestation, and unfortunately this is a trend I've seen happen time and time again in Warframe.

Whenever we see something major or minor involving the Infested, the Infested always seem to be a side-character to the story, yes it's Infested theme, but not Infested centric. They exist as an obstacle to a greater means, rather than an faction with their own means. They seem to only exist to be canon fodder or to dress up an extra for the main spotlighted character, quest, lore or etc. An Appetizer until the Main Course arrives.

Jordas, the Infestation controlled him but we were concerned with Jordas's story and didn't learn anything about the Infestation.

Mutalist Alad V, the Infestation kind of controlled him but he was more dangerous than the Infestation for his potential to produce new strains.

There's probably more examples but there's also the case of Infested bosses saying the same "We are your flesh" thing for the 1000th time. We know it senses itself in us and is confused and doesn't understand why we're against it. But there is seemingly no higher thought or function behind its actions. the "Gray Strain" of Deimos seems to be different, or at least the Hiveminds with the Sun/Moon Worm assumingly taking control over the Infested puppets while the other is inactive.

The point I'm trying to make with this thread is I really hope that the Heart of Deimos isn't another Infested themed update, that stars something other than the Infestation. Necramechs and Entrati and the wellspring of our Void powers is cool and all but I hope that the Infestation also get a role beyond "mindless zombie horde threat". The Infestation are as much as a valid faction as any of the others and it'd be a shame for nothing to be developed with them in the Heart of Deimos.

[Circle_of_Psi]

It is highly likely we'll get Lore for the Infested with the Update

[Zahnrad]

1 minute ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

It is highly likely we'll get Lore for the Infested with the Update

I hope so. I just don't want to get my hopes up and be dissapointed again.

[Circle_of_Psi]

2 minutes ago, Zahnny said:

I hope so. I just don't want to get my hopes up and be dissapointed again.

I am unsure if you seen the Demo, so not wanna spoil anything, but there is a room that gives a ton of lore, so it is highly likely it will.

[PookieNumnums]

We didnt get a whole lot of lore with cetus really. We only learned a little about the ostrons, mostly about saya konzu and onkkos love triangle and thats pretty much it. 

With vallis we learned more about the dynamic relationship between solarians and nef anyo and how they handle debt. 

We learned a little about zuud and that was pretty much it. 

I dont really expect a whole lot of lore outside of a xaku quest which will likely involve the entrati and thatll be it. 

The story will probably explain how everything turned infested and how it relates to us and the void.. but in terms of the infested hive minds character.. really doubt it. 

[Rawbeard]

21 minutes ago, Zahnny said:

The Infested

the who?

[Zahnrad]

Just now, Rawbeard said:

the who?

[JackHargreav]

Well the infested is tricky since It's just a thing that wants to consume. And that's about it.

I don't know what kind of stuff could we hear about them. At best we could get a more in depth explaination about the relation between the infested and the warframes. Like how we make the warframes actually. Do we just clone them or is there something else to them maybe?

[Loza03]

Even in the worst-case scenario, at least any Entrati lore we get will almost certainly be inherently more tied to the rest of the World. They are, after all, a sub-group of the Orokin, rather than a completely new group, so their lore is by proxy Orokin lore. Entrati is, after all, a family name for a specific family of Orokin, not a race or cultural name like Ostron or Solaris (or at the very least, it used to be before several members got Necra-fied and the rest half-infested.)

 

Whilst I'm personally fairly fond of the Solaris and Ostrons and have my own theories on how they fit in the grand scheme of things, it'll be nice for a new group to not need any fenangling to fit for once.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

tbh, the infested backstory isn't necessarily underdeveloped, it's just Simpler than the other factions:

- enter the Old War: Orokin vs Sentient

- Orokin wants and makes Infested: a bio-weapon to combat Sentients

- Infestation fails and becomes a problem (like everything the Orokin Made)

- Infestation is eventually somewhat contained after a long-a$$ time

- enter Alad V and Dr Tengus, who start meddling with the original strains in an infested arms-race

- Alad creates Mutalist Strain which subsumes synthetic and organic material, Tengus also screws up and causes half of Mercury to become overrun.

- turns out colonies exist that can live alongside infested (Myconians), as long as they have a ruler who is partially infested.

pretty much all the infestation and/or it's Hivemind wants is to endlessly consume, because that's all they were made to do: they have no desire to advance their culture, they already see themselves as being perfect (just like the Orokin did). one could argue that they are basically the Zombies of Warframe, and Zombies are always goign to be the most one-dimensional villains in any game. the point where the Infestation actually starts having Lore is with Helminth, but you could argue that Helminth is his own thing, with no desire to consume recklessly, and only do as his "master" commands, so while it could link to the wider Infestation, it would actually be Infested backstory, it would be Helminth's backstory.

personally i'm more interested in the Vitruvian fragments to do with the "Void Words" introduced with requiems that are now going to be a major part of the Deimos update. 

 

 

[(PSN)Silverback73]

7 hours ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

It is highly likely we'll get Lore for the Infested with the Update

Yeah, between Warframe guts, Helminth “feed me Seymour, feed me all night long” infested Chrysalis system, Infested-Avatar-worm-mom-networked-planet, and ever-battling Sun-Moon Tower Worms...I think we might  get some elaboration.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

6 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

Well the infested is tricky since It's just a thing that wants to consume. And that's about it.

I wouldn't say that's true.

Sure the broad set of units just want to consume but most of the infested NPCs that speak have more to say, there's certainly something hidden in there that we're not getting. The seeds of some awesome lore are there, the writers just don't utilize them. At least with the Emissary we got Arlo, who was just an infested puppet who formed an entire cult around him for some reason. I'd say the infested are not only more complex than mindless zombies, they're extremely intelligent.

We just need good writing to unravel the threads that have been started and forgotten.

[Zahnrad]

I don't want to say I want the Infestation to become the Necromorphs from Dead Space or the Flood from Halo but if you look into them, there's so much more that can be done about space zombies. Seriously, I recommend checking their lore out it's immense and shows you can flesh out "zombies" into something just as dangerous as the Sentient while still retaining a "feral" level to them and a level of sapience.

[(PSN)Ravenger-MRIB]

I'm really digging the idea of factions forming among the Infested with Fass and Vome warring for control with one another, but they're described as Brother and Sister, which has me worried that in the end it's just going to be that they're the byproduct of Mother and Father Entrati's children becoming infected and them fighting is just an old sibling rivalry because they're still in control.

 

I feel its really hard distinguishing the Infested from the other factions of the game when literally every enemy has the same Bum Rush Horde AI.  When every enemy just runs at you, some having weapons and others not, a zombie faction just gets lost in the mix, so the only thing you can really do is flesh them out with lore.   I'm in the same boat in hoping that this update will introduce some new and interesting aspects to the faction as a whole, similar to what the Emissaries did by showing that the Infested are evolving their tactics to combat, but like you I'm also worried they're just going to just be a backdrop to Entrati lore. 

[Circle_of_Psi]

7 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

Yeah, between Warframe guts, Helminth “feed me Seymour, feed me all night long” infested Chrysalis system, Infested-Avatar-worm-mom-networked-planet, and ever-battling Sun-Moon Tower Worms...I think we might  get some elaboration.

Hopefully

[0_The_F00l]

I personally don't think there is much to the infested lore. 

There are some very obvious points missing (how it came to be and who is the mad scientist that helped design helminth variants and such). 

It could be that it was originally a singular orokin entity that "evolved" instead of being cultivated from a carnivorous fungus. 

But the only cultural lore on infested is the one you would get on a petri dish. 

But I do want the infestation to say sweet nothings to me like it does in the salvage missions. 

 

[CuChulainnWD]

2 hours ago, 0_The_F00l said:

I personally don't think there is much to the infested lore. 

There are some very obvious points missing (how it came to be and who is the mad scientist that helped design helminth variants and such). 

It could be that it was originally a singular orokin entity that "evolved" instead of being cultivated from a carnivorous fungus. 

But the only cultural lore on infested is the one you would get on a petri dish. 

But I do want the infestation to say sweet nothings to me like it does in the salvage missions. 

 

You have not done your lore research.... Ballas.

[0_The_F00l]

25 minutes ago, CuChulainnWD said:

You have not done your lore research.... Ballas.

You dare challenge the lore of the fool!

Ballas is a user, a manipulator a presentor not a creator. 

he is Jobs, not Wozniak.

He knows how to use it but he does not understand the core and could not recreate a technology if he wanted to. 

[Zahnrad]

I would like a more biological study on the Infested, how it spreads and what it does as it happens.

[Hayrack]

I really liked infested manifestation in form of Zealoid Prelate, it's passive-agressive bipolar taunts. It felt like you stumbled on them in the middle of some serious bussinesss going on, you just don't know what is their plan. I really like that kind of atmosphere.

Infested should take a role of "psycho sibling" or "psycho teen", an entity that's entering in transition, growth, evolution spike, an unpredictable future threath or unexpected ally, but you never know until it's too late.

Imagine that you enter kitchen at 2 am for a little night snack. You flip the switch and see your dog laying in front of the fridge.The dog is slowly wagging his tail, his ears are up, but he just stares at you. You may think "hi girl/boy, hungry too?" and that's it, but consider: you don't know what is your dog thinking. He may think "I haven't eaten since 6 pm. Food box opens when he/her comes near and closes when he/her goes away. Maybe if I wait for him/her by the fridge, slash the throat, they will stay here, keep the door open, and I will be able to gorge on all the delicious food inside".

THrilLinG

[GeorgeFernell]

On 2020-08-19 at 5:19 PM, Zahnny said:

The point I'm trying to make with this thread is I really hope that the Heart of Deimos isn't another Infested themed update, that stars something other than the Infestation. Necramechs and Entrati and the wellspring of our Void powers is cool and all but I hope that the Infestation also get a role beyond "mindless zombie horde threat". The Infestation are as much as a valid faction as any of the others and it'd be a shame for nothing to be developed with them in the Heart of Deimos.

"My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment?"

 

You were right m8, no info on infested just a couple of Orokin bois and their problems :)

[Serafim_94]

Yeah, this one aged like fine wine.

 

Hey, at least Entrati are infested? Kinda...

[Zahnrad]

So uh, did we learn much?