Heart of Deimos IS NOT Helminth

[Denestation]

So, I've been following Forums, Twitter and Dev Workshop pretty closely for the past days and I think there are some major issues and I don't mean "Nerfs bad" or "Abilities useless". Everyone is talking about the Helminth as if it was the ONLY thing we are getting. I think it gains too much traction, when in fact the update contains a full open-world like Fortuna and Cetus, which were major updates on their own AND it completely reworks the new player expirience and I haven't heard ONE THING about it. I don't know wether I should tell my friends that are maybe trying out the game to wait, if they can replay the new beginning (hell, even if I can replay it), if they are losing stuff if they play now or if they wait. The Helminth , while being a big part don't get me wrong, is not the only thing contained in this update and should definitely not be treated as such. People are calling the update "ruined" because of the nerfs or the unbalanced state that some Warframe will get, while totally forgetting they are getting a way bigger update right next to the Helminth.

 

Before some people will try to attack me saying "Uuh, I actually am MR 29 and the only thing I care about is the Helminth so??" I myself and MR 24 and I cannot tell when the last time was, I had problem with my damage/survivability or mobility. Sure, I want War Cry on my Wukong because it works better, but do I need it? Hell no. Am I interested in seeing the actual new content? Hell yes.

[Kaotyke]

3 minutes ago, Denestation said:

Before some people will try to attack me

[DrivaMain]

Open Worlds? I sleep.

Reworked New Player Experience? Real crap.

Helminth system where it changes the way you play the game forever? A S C E N D E D.

I don’t mind having another open world, but a system where you can replace bad abilities of your favorite frames to something better or fit your playstyle intrigues me and probably a lot of players.

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

Personally I'm looking forward to playing the quest more than Helminth

[T-Shark69]

All the posts about the nerfs are getting annoying but these ones where OP and co pretend to be superior because they don't care are not any better.

[Gabbynaru]

Sure, but it is the most exciting bit. What else is there in Heart of Deimos? The open world? Yeah, we've been around for two of those, we know how it'll go (completely unbalanced, utterly broken and stupidly grindy for the first month or so). Xaku? Just another frame to throw in the pile. So obviously it's the Helminth system the people will focus on, cause everything else was already done and seen before.

[vegetosayajin]

idd
I hope the skull gundam suits are not another kdrive.

[Denestation]

14 minutes ago, T-Shark69 said:

All the posts about the nerfs are getting annoying but these ones where OP and co pretend to be superior because they don't care are not any better.

Oh I do care, in fact I have a very strong opinion on Helminth and the rest of the update, but I still think it sucks, that all the rest of work made by DE is being invalidated, because of poor choices with the Helminth.

[Oggyswe]

dont forget about the necromechs that we are also getting they look amazing. and even with the nerfs the helminth system is a awesome addition thats going to add alot of fun. i for one is super excited for this patch

[Alucard291]

40 minutes ago, DrivaMain said:

Open Worlds? I sleep.

Reworked New Player Experience? Real crap.

Helminth system where it changes the way you play the game forever? A S C E N D E D.

Well yeah pretty much this but unironically.

I don't care about another place where I have to mine or fish or whatever.

New player experience really doesn't matter to me either.

Helminth... could have been a nice little thing to play with for a while. But even that was under a lot of doubt.

12 minutes ago, Oggyswe said:

dont forget about the necromechs 

I wish I could, they look like a terrible shoehorned rip off of that one game you may have heard of, and they will likely be even less useful than archwing. Oh and the designs... straight from warhammer40k (as if that's something to be proud of)

39 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

Sure, but it is the most exciting bit. What else is there in Heart of Deimos? The open world? Yeah, we've been around for two of those, we know how it'll go (completely unbalanced, utterly broken and stupidly grindy for the first month or so). Xaku? Just another frame to throw in the pile. So obviously it's the Helminth system the people will focus on, cause everything else was already done and seen before.

Thank you sir. You nailed it.

[Katalistik]

44 minutes ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

Personally I'm looking forward to playing the quest more than Helminth

Mega mood. I'm personally looking forward the lore, can't wait to get some of that sweet Void juice lore. 

[(PSN)Deeceem]

vor 26 Minuten schrieb Oggyswe:

dont forget about the necromechs that we are also getting they look amazing. and even with the nerfs the helminth system is a awesome addition thats going to add alot of fun. i for one is super excited for this patch

I personally don't expect them to be much more than K-Drives, Railjack, conservation or fishing. You can use them only in the free roam areas to begin with as far as I know. That's three areas in the entire game two of which you barely play if you are already through them. Basically another content island that you can grind for mastery and then barely get to use after dumping a bunch of resources and time into them.

It's cool if you're looking forward to it and maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't look like something that will see a lot of use in general.

[(XBOX)CaptainSeth5423]

New player experience? I sleep

Helminth system? Not bad

New open world with lore, with mechs and underground caves maps changing? I Have Awoken

Edit: and nice music 😄

[Colyeses]

1 hour ago, Gabbynaru said:

Sure, but it is the most exciting bit. What else is there in Heart of Deimos? The open world? Yeah, we've been around for two of those, we know how it'll go (completely unbalanced, utterly broken and stupidly grindy for the first month or so). Xaku? Just another frame to throw in the pile. So obviously it's the Helminth system the people will focus on, cause everything else was already done and seen before.

I want to add to that that this is something DE's talked about as well: Content islands. 

Heart of Deimos is going to be the open world, and that's neat and all, but that's just another content island. You do it, you get through it, you're done. That's all. 

But Helminth is going to change things up and expand your options when playing -anything-. Whether you like to play Railjack, 3 hour survivals, ESO, Steel Path, Arbitrations, Open World, no matter what Warframe you like to play, Helminth is going to add to your experience. That's a big deal, and if executed right could seriously rekindle a lot of appeal. Every single fragment of content is made a little more interesting through the Helminth system.

Same can't be said of the Cambion Drift.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

well, I for one am not going to forget the effort that the art team clearly put into Deimos, but people tend to focus on the bad more than the good. plus many people actually like the idea of swapping out warframe powers. chances are though that having to reach rank 3 with the Entrati is probably going to kill their hype, if they're already sick of bounties that is.

one thing nobody's mentioned is that there are still a bunch of NPCs we haven't seen yet, and one of them - I think - is a modular weapon vendor like Hok and Zuud. obviously there will be a mining guy, a conservation/fish person, perhaps more. we've still only really some of what Deimos will offer.

 

[elZach]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb Colyeses:

I want to add to that that this is something DE's talked about as well: Content islands. 

Heart of Deimos is going to be the open world, and that's neat and all, but that's just another content island. You do it, you get through it, you're done. That's all. 

But Helminth is going to change things up and expand your options when playing -anything-. Whether you like to play Railjack, 3 hour survivals, ESO, Steel Path, Arbitrations, Open World, no matter what Warframe you like to play, Helminth is going to add to your experience. That's a big deal, and if executed right could seriously rekindle a lot of appeal. Every single fragment of content is made a little more interesting through the Helminth system.

Same can't be said of the Cambion Drift.

This is pretty on point.

[Berserkerkitten]

I'm super happy for you looking forward to Heart of Deimos, but not everyone is like that. I wasn't a massive fan of Eidolon, I didn't enjoy Orb Vallis and I could only care less about Heart of Deimos if they didn't make us play it in order to unlock the Helminth Chrysalis stuff. I'm just grateful it only takes three syndicate ranks in order to unlock it as opposed to the usual five. 

If Deimos turns out to be fun - great, I'm all for it. But really, I'm just expecting more bounties, maybe followed by a new boss or two, which will be nerfed and made easier as soon as the first lot of players complain about it being too hard. I don't like the open world stuff. It's just not for me. So excuse me if I'm only excited for a very specific part of the upcoming update.

[SmokinDice]

2 hours ago, Denestation said:

So, I've been following Forums, Twitter and Dev Workshop pretty closely for the past days and I think there are some major issues and I don't mean "Nerfs bad" or "Abilities useless". Everyone is talking about the Helminth as if it was the ONLY thing we are getting. I think it gains too much traction, when in fact the update contains a full open-world like Fortuna and Cetus, which were major updates on their own AND it completely reworks the new player expirience and I haven't heard ONE THING about it. I don't know wether I should tell my friends that are maybe trying out the game to wait, if they can replay the new beginning (hell, even if I can replay it), if they are losing stuff if they play now or if they wait. The Helminth , while being a big part don't get me wrong, is not the only thing contained in this update and should definitely not be treated as such. People are calling the update "ruined" because of the nerfs or the unbalanced state that some Warframe will get, while totally forgetting they are getting a way bigger update right next to the Helminth.

 

Before some people will try to attack me saying "Uuh, I actually am MR 29 and the only thing I care about is the Helminth so??" I myself and MR 24 and I cannot tell when the last time was, I had problem with my damage/survivability or mobility. Sure, I want War Cry on my Wukong because it works better, but do I need it? Hell no. Am I interested in seeing the actual new content? Hell yes.

well then speak for yourself (not trying to be rude or anything!), but your argument is besides the point many people point out.. many of us have played the game for 7 years, and some (like you maybe, i dont know) can get excited just for a bit of new content, and thats totally fair and good for you! but to many of us a far more relevant topic that has been neglected for years is HOW you experience each of those new content updates.. GAMEPLAY the thing the robot you actually run arround with and spent every second with in warframe.. how is it fair than some have 4 interesting uniquly and fun buttons to press that make a diverse and compelling gameplayloop diffrent of anything you can experience in the game, while others have been left alone for nearly a decate now, unchanged, with only 2 or in some cases even just one real button to press.. thats the issue here.. 35~ warframes are great and thats a huge and good number! but why not all 44? why? why make an interessting system to maybe shine some light on these neglected warframes but then say, "oh well nvm, sry lol thihi"..

then why introduce this system in the first place when you just dumb it all down like that and strip it from any meaniningful value..

 

A totally personal thing: I am one of the very few people who is or was excited for nullstar and defy, because I just love to be lazy and tanky and dont care for anything.

Defy was MY way to FINALLY have some AMAZING new fun with banshee for example who is such a great frame but for me personally always lacked survivability.... it was MY way to experience this new content and enjoy it.. because I have dozens of hours on all my favorite tanky warframes already and I want something fresh and exiting..

but lets say the armor defy provides now is only 1000, thats a HUGE diffrence, and will make my banshee take almost DOUBLE damage what it could have been have it had been left alone at 1500 armor, which is already not that high but at least its something! why nerf it?

 

I mean at least I still ahve nullstar to make my ego harrow, or maybe ego excal which I am still excited for, because they too where to squishy at their base for me.. and I despise having to use adaptation to rely on and using all those bandaids like rollin guard... its a personal thing, but they once again destroyed that hype for me a little.. and it hurts when this happens all the time over and over again.

[0_The_F00l]

You dont know that,

The story might play out such that helminth actually is the heart of deimos 😛 (i mean that literally)

[Aazhyd]

We have gotten mostly news about the Helminth system. The other parts of the expansion are more or less a mystery.

However, since you need to be level 3 with the Deimos syndicate to actually be able to start using the Helminth, people will have to play missions in the new open world. So the interest for it will come. I have the impression most people don't realize this and think they can start subsuming straight from release.

 

 

[Urlan]

15 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

You dont know that,

The story might play out such that helminth actually is the heart of deimos 😛 (i mean that literally)

That is a good point considering that we have learned from the workshop that the Helminth Segment is obtained from the Entrati Syndicate rank 3; that seems to suggest that the Helminth is at least connected deeply with Deimos and its inhabitants.

[(XBOX)CI shadow2397]

2 hours ago, Denestation said:

So, I've been following Forums, Twitter and Dev Workshop pretty closely for the past days and I think there are some major issues and I don't mean "Nerfs bad" or "Abilities useless". Everyone is talking about the Helminth as if it was the ONLY thing we are getting. I think it gains too much traction, when in fact the update contains a full open-world like Fortuna and Cetus, which were major updates on their own AND it completely reworks the new player expirience and I haven't heard ONE THING about it. I don't know wether I should tell my friends that are maybe trying out the game to wait, if they can replay the new beginning (hell, even if I can replay it), if they are losing stuff if they play now or if they wait. The Helminth , while being a big part don't get me wrong, is not the only thing contained in this update and should definitely not be treated as such. People are calling the update "ruined" because of the nerfs or the unbalanced state that some Warframe will get, while totally forgetting they are getting a way bigger update right next to the Helminth.

 

Before some people will try to attack me saying "Uuh, I actually am MR 29 and the only thing I care about is the Helminth so??" I myself and MR 24 and I cannot tell when the last time was, I had problem with my damage/survivability or mobility. Sure, I want War Cry on my Wukong because it works better, but do I need it? Hell no. Am I interested in seeing the actual new content? Hell yes.

We’re are literally all ignoring the fact that you have to PLAY heart of Deimos to even use the Helminth system. On top of the fact that we are getting some serious lore about the Tenno the void and the infestation.  Not to mention a whole new inventory of new stuff for us to use

[Xylena_Lazarow]

2 hours ago, Denestation said:

Everyone is talking about the Helminth as if it was the ONLY thing we are getting.

I'd be taking another break for a few months if not for Helminth. I'm looking forward to the Entrati lore and hoping for maybe some buffs to Infested enemies, but another open world map holds zero appeal to me unless they can pack it with enough enemy density for a proper horde shooter experience, never mind the utter tedium of past bounty missions, or the insulting MMO minigame garbage like fishing, mining, snowboards, pokemon captures...

[JackHargreav]

Let's face it. Most of us just know what the new expansion will bring and we know that can't be changed. Deimos will be the same as every other Openworld area. While the New Player experience is pretty much unkown to us. We don't know what it will teach/show to new players and such. So how would we criticise it?

Helminth on the otherhand is something we know a lot about and it's also something new. So no surprise that all the attention is on Helminth.

[(PSN)Yggranya]

2 hours ago, Colyeses said:

I want to add to that that this is something DE's talked about as well: Content islands. 

Heart of Deimos is going to be the open world, and that's neat and all, but that's just another content island. You do it, you get through it, you're done. That's all. 

But Helminth is going to change things up and expand your options when playing -anything-. Whether you like to play Railjack, 3 hour survivals, ESO, Steel Path, Arbitrations, Open World, no matter what Warframe you like to play, Helminth is going to add to your experience. That's a big deal, and if executed right could seriously rekindle a lot of appeal. Every single fragment of content is made a little more interesting through the Helminth system.

Same can't be said of the Cambion Drift.

I wouldn't even mind a content island, if the things you do in the open world were fun. But since they are not and it's unlikely that DE will change the old formula, deimos is going to be ignored, by me at least. If it is the same, then i will take another break. No point in wasting time on that.