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I went in not knowing the flower colors would be the same as the warframe subsumed, and now deeply regret my first two subsumes because i wanted them to be default frame colors. Perhaps the ability to re-subsume a warframe to change the flower color, or un-subsume a 'frame to remove its flower and ability (and subsume slot before the 10th metamorphosis) would be warranted?

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I really think we need better Helminth original abilities, the ones we got are incredibly unimaginative.

Press 1 to get shield.

Press 2 to conserve ammo.

Press 3 to hack a console.

It would have been much more compelling if they actually did something.

Like some infested skills that fit the theme of the update, some kind of shield sapping spore attack or spawning an infested pod that gives everyone around it a buff of some kind. I have zero interest in any of the Helminth original skills not because they aren't viable but because they're dreadfully boring. Which really sucks because the whole subsume thing lost my interest when I realized all the skills I'd like to transfer weren't available and I was really hoping for some interesting original skills to play with but the ones we got are the epitome of generic.

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I just want to say that this is an extremely cool system and an overall good update. And best of luck under Tencent.  I'm starting a hobby channel on youtube. Might start off talking about this stuff. You got a ball rollin' since deadlock protocol, so I'm feeling a little reinvigorated. :)

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7 hours ago, Educated_Beast said:

Give us the ability to correct the creature in how it addresses us.  I find it insulting to be called a demon.  The context of the conversation is evil.  I'm not going to play a game that I often play with my kids where being an evil creature is cool.  I know there is reference by other NPC, but never by one we take care of and interact with and have the ability to correct.  We need to be able to have the option to correct this creature and change dialog on how it addresses you.

It's enough for me to leave the game.  

 

 

Then leave, you're making something thats not a problem into a problem. For no reason. 

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5 hours ago, -Loko- said:

But what assumptions? I just don't understand how subsuming a non-prime warframe (of which you have only one copy and don't want to farm more), no matter if it has umbral forma or not, doesn't take away the ability to play that warframe before it gets primed.

Dude, I made a whole thread about it, before the system launched, showed the math and the problems and the reasons why it needed to happen, it's still here, you can search it, I'm not redoing the whole thing here for you.  The assumption you're making is what makes sense and why and that I didn't think it through very well.  I did.  Before the system launched, and still nothing happened.

It's about what happens to player investment, particularly newer players and how they are penalized for investing in a frame that doesn't have a prime just because it's their favorite.  When explained in detail nobody had an issue with it.  You are welcome to go research it for yourself.

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As I've seen others mention, I do agree the the amount of Bile resources that are required seems a bit too much.  I think the other resource types are fine, but Bile I feel should be toned down some. 

As a side note (and minor gripe), I was hoping to finally see something a little more happen with the cysts/Helminth virus since it was mentioned a good while back that there was more planned for it than it just being used to make Helminth Chargers.  The Chargers don't even get a unique interaction with Helminth and instead are just treated like normal Kubrows.  Nothing is mentioned regarding the original interaction between Helminth and Nidus either.  I've no doubt that whatever the original vision for the cyst/virus was is not going happen now, but there's a small bit of hope that it might be adapted to the current system eventually, even if only to not have another system that feels like it's been forgotten about and left collecting dust.   On the subject of cysts, a cosmetic toggle option and ability to change its color would still be nice.

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Here's a genuine question: Why the time gates? Do you really want me to not play the game? Because all time gates help me do is forget to log in. I get you want to entice people by holding these shiny trinkets in front of them but time gates just fuel the overall burnout. I remember a time where you played this game at your own pace and back then I couldn't put the controller down.

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11 hours ago, Educated_Beast said:

Give us the ability to correct the creature in how it addresses us.  I find it insulting to be called a demon.  The context of the conversation is evil.  I'm not going to play a game that I often play with my kids where being an evil creature is cool.  I know there is reference by other NPC, but never by one we take care of and interact with and have the ability to correct.  We need to be able to have the option to correct this creature and change dialog on how it addresses you.

It's enough for me to leave the game.  

 

 

What Helminth calls you is based on lore. It calls the Tenno (operator) a demon (or as in the past "those devils") and it calls the Warframe master. This is because Warframes are infested and are treated by some infested as their own. This happens with Lephantis when he says "(Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh.)" or "(We embrace you. Why do you defile us?)". 

So just understand the lore and don't be a child or leave if you are so fragile. Btw it's not calling you personally a demon, it just hates your Operator and loves your Warframes. Warframe is a role-playing game.  

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11 hours ago, Educated_Beast said:

Give us the ability to correct the creature in how it addresses us.  I find it insulting to be called a demon.  The context of the conversation is evil.  I'm not going to play a game that I often play with my kids where being an evil creature is cool.  I know there is reference by other NPC, but never by one we take care of and interact with and have the ability to correct.  We need to be able to have the option to correct this creature and change dialog on how it addresses you.

It's enough for me to leave the game.  

 

 

This is probably the most ridiculous piece of feedback I have ever seen on these forums.

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I love it so farr, but upon activating the Hellminth for the first time there should be a clear warning for players; letting the player know that this system is extremely resource demanding,

because it can easily drain a players full resource catalog if he/she hasn't ben playing and gathering resources for years.

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Can Ivara's Quiver replace the Noise Arrow with Dashwire? Dashwire was kinda my reason for subsuming Ivara as it's one of the few abilities that can really change a map physically. It'd also mean the augment could benefit from both abilities.

P.S. If it's not too much to ask, can retired abilities be given as Helminth abilities? Things like Vauban's Bounce or Excalibur's Super Jump. Not asking for any powerful abilities like World on Fire or that kind of thing unless approved of by DE.

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Hello,

First I want to say I am loving the Heart of Deimos. Great job on this one DE. 

I'm now a few frames into the Helminth system and noticed that my third subsumed frame (Equinox) did not get a flower! A minor thing, but seems sad for one of my frames to not get a memorial for their sacrifice. 

With regards to resource costs, things seem pretty good overall. The only resources that seem to have costs far too high are the Railjack resources. Hopefully these costs will come down in a Hotfix. 20,000 titanium (if I remember correctly) is pretty intense..

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  • RJ res should be x10 less.  Current sacrifice is almost my entire supply of stuff and I've done alot.  For example Trachyons 10-20k???  Yea right im gonna sacrifice that!! Eat crap.
  • Should warn or block when u try to apply second ability (I thought I was gonna have uber cheated Nekro lol)

Otherwise the whole thing was super easy to get into and understand.

When i hit rank 3 w/ Entrati I do NOT remember seeing segment as free rank up reward.  Was just chance I spotted it in Son's offerings.

Octavia BP should be 25k since u also have to buy 25k mandachord.  (would love a refund.... Need a helstrum riven :p

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my only big gripe right now is the Bile economy and costs , given i dont think everyone uses boosters and such and plays through normally

causes a problem for BILE as it needs only rare resources . this economy draws way to much from low drop grindy resources were everything else has 1 - 2 HUGE  resource pools and bile however has (none) and drains large excess amounts for what it does. 

in testing for farming no boosters  for  30 min -1 hour i can yield using nekros or khora  2-3 and on a rare shot 5  solo farming argons

for sludge i could get 73 from circling entire map and checking every spot in a 1hour+ time frame 

for railjac resources r/Warframe - I can't possibly imagine why people are so salty about some of the railjack resources.

lets just say thats a joke 

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4 hours ago, Zahnny said:

Can Ivara's Quiver replace the Noise Arrow with Dashwire? Dashwire was kinda my reason for subsuming Ivara as it's one of the few abilities that can really change a map physically. It'd also mean the augment could benefit from both abilities.

P.S. If it's not too much to ask, can retired abilities be given as Helminth abilities? Things like Vauban's Bounce or Excalibur's Super Jump. Not asking for any powerful abilities like World on Fire or that kind of thing unless approved of by DE.

I second this. I also subsumed Ivara for dashwire alone :(. It would make positioning Mesa ideal on some multilevel maps. 

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Please make all helminth abilities linkable in chat and appear in the UI when hovering over someone's proFile glyph in squad.

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Here's why:

Lets say you're recruiting a squad For something.

In this instance we'll say, Steel path endo Farm.

Traditionally this squad would need a nidus in it to group enemies.  With larva being transFerable, we don't need a nidus necessarily, any Frame that builds For range and has larva on it will do, and specifically nekros, who already builds For range and is required For this squad could Fill that role.

By linking in chat we can show the ability just as we can link a Frame, additionally showing in squad can help the team prepare the proper load out, or alert a player they are on the wrong conFig, which certainly happens now that we're using tons More conFigs than ever.

Something like [subsumed lava] For chat
And For subsume abilities, showing them right under the Frame would be best. 

IE:

Nidus [30]
Subsumed: (insert whatever or disable iF none)
Steel Charge
Etc.

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There should be some sort of timer for how long the Helminth can retain the resources you feed it. Due to personal ethical dilemmas I do not want to subsume or infuse my Warframes, but I was still looking to at least rank up the Helminth as a way to get rid of my millions of alloy plate and nano spores.

It could be a month long timer for all I care, just something so that it's not a 100% completely dead system for me.

 

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On 2020-08-25 at 5:41 PM, xcrimsonlegendx said:

I just went to speak to helminth with my Nidus and it automatically popped his cyst. The cyst he's had since I started playing the game. It didn't say "cure cyst" like it normally does, it just said "Helminth". I actually kept it because i liked how it looked and now I can't get it back. So I'm just going to have to get a new Nidus, even though this one has all of my damned umbral forma in it.

Some kind of warning would be nice, this experience has totally ruined my mood and I'm done playing for today.

You put umbral forma on a non prime frame? Yikes 

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2 hours ago, Ozzyman89 said:

You put umbral forma on a non prime frame? Yikes 

So? Nidus prime at the time was over a year off. I guess I shouldn't get the most out of my favorite frame because he hasn't been primed yet. Even if he had, that still doesn't change the issue at hand. Dozens of people I've seen on the forums and reddit have had their cysts removed automatically without warning.

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11 hours ago, Klokwerkaos said:

Dude, I made a whole thread about it, before the system launched, showed the math and the problems and the reasons why it needed to happen, it's still here, you can search it, I'm not redoing the whole thing here for you.  The assumption you're making is what makes sense and why and that I didn't think it through very well.  I did.  Before the system launched, and still nothing happened.

It's about what happens to player investment, particularly newer players and how they are penalized for investing in a frame that doesn't have a prime just because it's their favorite.  When explained in detail nobody had an issue with it.  You are welcome to go research it for yourself.

Now I have an assuption. I'm assuming you think my time is worth so little that I'm going to spend it looking through your posts instead of providing me with a link or tl;dr version.

Everybody gets "penalized", sooner or later, when new things are added to the game. Helminth was not even aimed at "newer players". Everyone was so mad about the MR requirement that it got lowered, and now we have countless posts about the costs being too high.

Even if the dude who's post touched you so badly was indeed trying to be as much **** as possible, he was still right. When you invest in things in Warframe (or any other game for that matter), you should be prepared that this investment may become worthless eventually. It was, is, and always will be like that. Complaining about Helminth, rivens and other meta-related stuff when it gets nerfed or becomes no-longer viable is ridiculous, pure and simple. Especially if it's not the one and only option.

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47 minutes ago, FrostyNovaPrime said:

There should be some sort of timer for how long the Helminth can retain the resources you feed it. Due to personal ethical dilemmas I do not want to subsume or infuse my Warframes, but I was still looking to at least rank up the Helminth as a way to get rid of my millions of alloy plate and nano spores.

It could be a month long timer for all I care, just something so that it's not a 100% completely dead system for me.

This doesn't make any sense. The system serves no purpose if you're not going to subsume or infuse. You effectively just want to throw your resources into a pointless trashcan and set them on fire? 

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