Helmith just reminds me of how bad grinding for frames are

[Fayth2567]

 

BP from similaris needs another reduction cost.

I really feel like DE sometimes just don't understand the grind required for certain frames. To get copies of warframes for helminith you need about 900,000 Similaris standing to get all the parts. To put this into perspective you get about 18k per day from 3 scans + the quest bonus. So, it will take players who want another copy to subsume about 49 days of straight similaris scans. This isn't fun, but more grind on top of more grinding.

I was really excited to be able to mix warframe ability but it just reminds me of how bad warframe grinding is.

Ash- Manic defection grind isnt fun

Atlas- Jordas archwing grind isnt fun

Grendel- Arbitration grind up top of 3 missions that you can't use mods in

Harrow- Defection grind isn't fun

Khora- Eso grind with kavat scans isnt fun

Mesa- Mutalist Alad V invasion grind isnt fun

Nidus- Infested Salavge grind...who plays this mode anymore?

Trinity- Grinding amino beacons to grind the boss

Gara/Garuda/Baruuk/Revant- Just more bounty grind and open world resource grind

And now simaris grind on top of it.

Have DE even grinded for these frames to see what it like?

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

You still have to farm Rank 3 with the Entrati to even use the system.

Do a little bit each day and you'll be closer than you think instead of thinking you need to have everything day one.

No ones making you rush.

Online games are a marathon and you're only making yourself suffer by trying to get everything all at once.

A couple defense waves with a speed nova will get you like 12 animo beacons in like 10 minutes. 

Simaris scans for standing take like 10 minutes with a speed running frame. 

All the tools are there. It's up to you to use them and manage your time.

 

[Lazarow]

Free to play games want you to be in the game as much as possible as its FREE, well its acceptable still as noone is forcing you to do these, so you doing it for you. I got a few frames done about 8 some I had parts already few I farmed like trinity. Protea is nice but F that not going to granuum void T3 just to get those shoulder about 20/30 runs(unless they changed that after I was done doing runs). Nidus is meh, good ot have but no wort hit. Anyways more nefs may be coming so dont go wasting all your time getting them all just yet, you still need to farm standing for the new syndicate to access the Helminth anyways

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

They completely understand, and I'm sure they're counting on players simply buying all of the hardest ones. 

[krisvek]

The week after the Helminth system was announced, I started farming frames. I already had Titania and Inaros, but I've built every frame except the Simaris ones as of today, and I've already got two more Simaris frames built too. That's about three weeks to farm every regular frame in the game, four or five if we include the time it will take me to finish the Simaris frames.

I didn't no-life this. I fit in maybe 3 hours a day of gaming, some days more, some days less, and none on the weekend. Maybe RNG smiled on me more often than not, IDK, but I think it's a reasonable time. I will also grant that my late-game status granted me easier access to planets, nodes, resources, etc. that may have sped the farm time up some due to efficiency of having these things already available.

[-AoN-CanoLathra-]

You do realize you van use the Simaris scanner on normal enemies/objects to get Simaris standing, right? Assuming you have the infinite scan widget for the scanner, you should be able to go into any mission and just scan as many enemies as you can to max out your standing after doing your daily (or in place of the daily, if you don't like the offered target).

[Wyrmius_Prime]

45 minutes ago, -AoN-CanoLathra- said:

You do realize you van use the Simaris scanner on normal enemies/objects to get Simaris standing, right? Assuming you have the infinite scan widget for the scanner, you should be able to go into any mission and just scan as many enemies as you can to max out your standing after doing your daily (or in place of the daily, if you don't like the offered target).

The problem is the rep cap.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

12 minutes ago, Wyrmius_Prime said:

The problem is the rep cap.

Then I guess they also have a reason to rise their Mastery Rank, huh?

[Wyrmius_Prime]

Just now, (PS4)Madurai-Prime said:

Then I guess they also have a reason to rise their Mastery Rank, huh?

DE better release like a 10k new weapons and warframes so that the MR gets raised to like 100+ and u could get multiple pieces per day. It is still bad at MR 29.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

4 minutes ago, Wyrmius_Prime said:

DE better release like a 10k new weapons and warframes so that the MR gets raised to like 100+ and u could get multiple pieces per day. It is still bad at MR 29.

Sure. They'll get right on that.

[(PSN)AllOrNothinDays]

They're going to make you grind again for mesa and not make the node permanent or anything without the need for a key..? lol

[KitMeHarder]

Ash- DE already gave him away for free

Atlas- Instant juggernaut kill, cut scene, instant golem kill.

Grendel- Didn't need to grind arbitrations, just jumped in some guy's squad that didn't want to go solo. Trinity+Arca Titron = easy. Even more-so when you're pumping up frames like Octavia, Frost, Nekros, etc...

Harrow- DE already gave him away for free

Khora- DE already gave her away for free

Mesa- 3 insta-kill Phorid missions followed by an insta-kill Alad mission

Nidus- Was pretty easy solo with Khora. 9 minute C rotations, no down time.

Trinity- I'll give you this one. The Trinity grind sucks, but I had all the beacons I needed from normal play.

Gara/Garuda/Baruuk/Revant- Had ample parts from past nightwave and relic grinding bounties

[(NSW)Kirbys-Epic-Yarn]

I mean if you hate the grinding so much and really desperately want a specific frame then just buy it and support DE a bit.

[DragoonStorm1]

My twitch stream bugged out at the harrow systems drop and I'm realllllllllly hating the farm, it DEFINITELY is terrible. Terribly diluted table in a nasty gamemode, even with all the speed boosts possible.
So frustrating. This is certainly a good opportunity for DE to actually look at the problem... but they just did a giveaway which made all the players look away too >.< I'm sure the same applies to Khora. My first khora farm was hell. I'm glad I do not have to do it again, but it's still hellish for new players and others who missed the stream drop.

And the annoying part about Trin farm is two-fold: beacon farm as well as a "boss" fight that simply can NOT be sped up. 12 minutes of sitting around and waiting. And I still need one part.

And finally, as an MR29 player, farming the simaris standing is certainly overwhelming. I already know I'm lucky to be able to hit 30k standing in 15 minutes, but that hardly nets me one BP, and there is just SO MUCH required, when you check out simaris' terminal. They definitely need to halve the costs again, if they aren't going to do away with standing caps.

(But Atlas was definitely fun though. Hadn't fought Jordas in years, and one shotting the dude was satisfying as hek.
Nidus was a pain, but got lucky with friends, didn't take 6 hours like it did for me on release day so I'm glad.
Equinox also, I luckily got exactly the one BP I was missing.
And I'm looking forward to Grendel because I enjoy that the gamemode requires you to think of synergies with augment mods and weapons, and that it will make me play arbitrations again lol. But why Grendel works, is guaranteed drop. Stuff like harrow/khora/nidus/octavia neuroptics/trin etc are really frustrating because of all the time invested for ONE dice roll. DE please.)

[trst]

Not really, the core issue is coming into the system after having done all this content and scrapping excess parts or the frames themselves already. Anyone who has yet to get some frames isn't going to have nearly as many problems as you're likely to get duplicate parts before finishing said frame. As well this system lets us "retire" frames for their Primes instead of just scrapping them for 25k credits.

So sure it sucks being an older player here but I'd argue that with such experience re-grinding all of these shouldn't be that much of a hassle. Plus plat farming isn't hard to figure out.

[stormy505]

Have you considered not getting every frame? Majority of the abilities from this system are probably going to be completely useless. No need to break your back farming for something you won't ever use.

[Gentleman_Bird]

Harrow and Khora were definitely annoying, also Ash for newer players, which is why they did twitch drops for them

 

I'm not gonna bother with Infested Salvage, I played one game, then noped out and bought Nidus, and I'll #*!%in do it again!

 

And don't get me started on Equinox, that nightmare of statistics. When I grinded Equinox the first time, it was the most boring slog I've ever done in the game, and the sunk cost fallacy kept me going. After I finally did it, I rejoiced at the thought of never doing that boss battle ever again. I sold all the blueprints so I would never be reminded of the slog, and I sold my Equinox after I got Equinox Prime.I will refuse to grind Equinox again on principle.

[Hypernaut1]

maybe doesnt want you maxing out the system in a few days.

[(PSN)jaggerwanderer]

This new system isn't going away nor is it a timed locked event that comes once a year like Plague Star. There is until the server shut down to farm for the frames again. As well as getting the needed warframe slots to hold onto those frames to be fed. Remeber that we need to wait a whole 24 hours just to complete diguest the warframe to be able to use their respective ability. It's no long a questing of how much time is needed. It's now a question of having the WILLPOWER to keep grinding for the require parts. So who has that kind of willpower to play the game?

[Ghogiel]

In the case of using the frames. Grinding for and having them was already a major part of the game since the begining, it's not an added new grind, it's for the most part something to do with regular frames you already had or were aiming to have already.

[xcrimsonlegendx]

I hated getting the animo beacons, dear god.

I lucked out on Mesa though, got all 3 parts in 3 mutalist alad runs.

[TioMegaManX]

4 hours ago, Fayth2567 said:

I really feel like DE sometimes just don't understand the grind required for certain frames.

Sometimes? they don't even play their game outside of their developer mode for streams.

[0_The_F00l]

Is the farm for frames grindy? Yes, that's the incentive to purchase the actual frames with plat. 

Is it still doable? Since I have only ever purchased one regular frame for that one charity event the regular frames (and then still farmed it later) it is pretty clear it is doable. 

Simaris is limited by standing and daily caps, yes. But that is a limit if you choose not to increase your MR and get the rep smartly (at MR 29 you can get 35k to 40k per day) it's possible to max it in less than 20 minutes. 

I have already gotten most of em, leaving Titania, Inaros, Garuda, Gara of which I plan to get Titania next. 

Of the regular frames I am still needing parts for Nidus and khora cause those are out of the way missions, I may just buy one for plat if ever I run out of other frames and still don't have the parts. 

I also have spares of the original (and don't want to subsume them for sentimental reasons) along with their Primes where applicable. 

You can also only subsume one frame every 24 hours, so you are looking for a 44 day wait minimum to get them all from launch. So I suggest to not rush and take your time. 

[Lutesque]

I'm surprised people can even forget how bad these Grinds are.... It's been a while since Grinded Equinox but That's not the type of pain IL ever forget...

4 hours ago, Fayth2567 said:

Grendel- Arbitration grind up top of 3 missions that you can't use mods in

Grendel Isn't Actually a Grind...

You earn his components the same way you earn Limbo's... Through a one time Guaranteed Drop. Won't take more than an Hour...

The problem is this will be the absolute worst Hour of your life 😮 !!!

4 hours ago, Fayth2567 said:

Nidus- Infested Salavge grind...who plays this mode anymore?

Supposedly this is the best Spot for Nanospore Farming... Even better than the Derelict. However the way you go about doing it is rather complicated.

4 hours ago, Fayth2567 said:

Have DE even grinded for these frames to see what it like?

What do you think ? 😐

 

[(PSN)SolarPhantom82]

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