So the Grendel alt helm is just going to be the only plat-only alt helm in the game then?

[(XBOX)TehChubbyDugan]

It's been available literally once since it was introduced.  It has never come back to the NW store.  Every other helmet has hit multiple times since it was here last with the exception of the new frame.  Where is the grendel alt helmet?

[(PSN)The1stAzrael]

I have a similar problem with getting the Gauss Mag helmet. I'm sure I've seen Grendel's and every other alt helmet, but I have never once seen Gauss's. I've been checking that shop for weeks, but now I'm really thinking about just buying it.

Hopefully you have better luck though

[kwlingo]

Not sure if console gets the same NW rewards as PC but yes all those helmets have circled their way into the table.

[EmberStar]

1 hour ago, (XB1)TehChubbyDugan said:

It's been available literally once since it was introduced.  It has never come back to the NW store.  Every other helmet has hit multiple times since it was here last with the exception of the new frame.  Where is the grendel alt helmet?

Gauss and Grendel's alt helm both seem to be incredibly rare.  I *think* I've seen Gauss's once so far this nightwave.  I know the youtuber OriginalWickedFun does a weekly "these are the new challenges" video and checks for the Gauss Mag helm, and it's never there.  And since the one time I did see it, it was clear at the bottom of the list I *almost* think that someone has to take the time and manually add it in.  I don't know that for certain and couldn't prove it if I did, but it certainly doesn't feel like an automatic part of the rotation.

And of course starting tomorrow there will be Xaku's alt helm to not show up every week as well.  On the other hand if they do have to manually add them for a week, maybe whoever is in charge of that will be less distracted once Deimos is live?

[trst]

I've certainly seen his in there more than once but they may be more rare than others due to being "newer". IIRC their original intention for new alt helmets, which never happened due to all the extended delays, was for new alts to now show up till after the season it was added to the game.

[0_The_F00l]

The mag gauss helm was notorious for being rare as an alert, 

Guess the gauss mag helm is following closely.

Cant make new items easily available, would reduce the incentive to spend plat.

I have seen both of these (Grendel and gauss alts) on PC maybe two times. 

[xcrimsonlegendx]

I think I've only seen the Nidus Prion helmet in the shop once, some of them are just excessively rare.

[Fallen77]

Well that's the point. If all helmets were easily available, there would be no incentive to buy them. Warframe is still a f2p game, and DE needs go keep the lights on.

But it's not "plat only", it's just expected that the newer shiny stuff is gonna be tougher to get. Be patient.

[(XBOX)TehChubbyDugan]

16 hours ago, EmberStar said:

Gauss and Grendel's alt helm both seem to be incredibly rare.  I *think* I've seen Gauss's once so far this nightwave.  I know the youtuber OriginalWickedFun does a weekly "these are the new challenges" video and checks for the Gauss Mag helm, and it's never there.  And since the one time I did see it, it was clear at the bottom of the list I *almost* think that someone has to take the time and manually add it in.  I don't know that for certain and couldn't prove it if I did, but it certainly doesn't feel like an automatic part of the rotation.

And of course starting tomorrow there will be Xaku's alt helm to not show up every week as well.  On the other hand if they do have to manually add them for a week, maybe whoever is in charge of that will be less distracted once Deimos is live?

I've checked for Grendel's alt helmet every single week since the one time it was available and I didn't pick it up since there were things I needed to get that week.  It hasn't been in rotation for an absurd amount of time.  I'm fairly certain that it was only available immediately after his release.

 

11 hours ago, Fallen77 said:

Well that's the point. If all helmets were easily available, there would be no incentive to buy them. Warframe is still a f2p game, and DE needs go keep the lights on.

But it's not "plat only", it's just expected that the newer shiny stuff is gonna be tougher to get. Be patient.

There's always one of you.

[(PSN)The1stAzrael]

12 hours ago, Fallen77 said:

Well that's the point. If all helmets were easily available, there would be no incentive to buy them. Warframe is still a f2p game, and DE needs go keep the lights on.

But it's not "plat only", it's just expected that the newer shiny stuff is gonna be tougher to get. Be patient.

Gauss and Grendel have been out for almost a year though, and they don't seem to be all that popular, so I doubt their cosmetics are making DE a whole lot of extra money. It's rare for me to run into another Gauss or a Grendel anywhere, really. It might make more sense if the helmets for the current primes or more popular frames were less common, but that doesn't seem to be the case, since I consistently see atleast one alt helm for frames like Saryn, Mesa, Ash, and Loki.

Some of these helmets just seem almost absurdly rare for some reason.

[Fallen77]

Il y a 10 heures, (XB1)TehChubbyDugan a dit :

There's always one of you.

Oh my bad, you wanna donate 5 million bucks per month to DE then ? That way the helmets and other incentives to spend plat would be toned down.

Think about how the world works. You know the gigantic amount of expenses any business of this size is subject to ? I'd guess not. I'll let you to your naive view of the world, you tell me how you live without money.

I WONDER why there's always one of us as you say.

[Fallen77]

Il y a 9 heures, (PS4)The1stAzrael a dit :

Gauss and Grendel have been out for almost a year though, and they don't seem to be all that popular, so I doubt their cosmetics are making DE a whole lot of extra money. It's rare for me to run into another Gauss or a Grendel anywhere, really. It might make more sense if the helmets for the current primes or more popular frames were less common, but that doesn't seem to be the case, since I consistently see atleast one alt helm for frames like Saryn, Mesa, Ash, and Loki.

Some of these helmets just seem almost absurdly rare for some reason.

They are litteraly the two most recent frames after Protea. 

You think because other things get them more money that any business would go "ah well let's just give that much away". You wanna pay the difference ?

No it wouldn't make sense to do this for 5 years old helmets that most people already have. They let those be available often because it's worthless to them now.

Rare " for some reason" ? The reason is because those are making them money. You may think that those are not popular, but if that was the case, they would get the same treatment as older helmets. 

[(PSN)The1stAzrael]

9 hours ago, Fallen77 said:

They are litteraly the two most recent frames after Protea. 

You think because other things get them more money that any business would go "ah well let's just give that much away". You wanna pay the difference ?

No it wouldn't make sense to do this for 5 years old helmets that most people already have. They let those be available often because it's worthless to them now.

Rare " for some reason" ? The reason is because those are making them money. You may think that those are not popular, but if that was the case, they would get the same treatment as older helmets. 

Just because something is "new" doesn't mean it is at all profitable for them. It makes zero sense to limit the quantities of an item that hardly anyone seems to be buying; that could actually result in a loss if already no one is buying it, and then they're purposely making it hard to come by.

I seriously doubt these alt helmets are making DE anything more than pocket change.

[Fallen77]

Il y a 11 heures, (PS4)The1stAzrael a dit :

Just because something is "new" doesn't mean it is at all profitable for them. It makes zero sense to limit the quantities of an item that hardly anyone seems to be buying; that could actually result in a loss if already no one is buying it, and then they're purposely making it hard to come by.

I seriously doubt these alt helmets are making DE anything more than pocket change.

Warframe is full of systems making only pocket change, but that's the sum of it all that matters. If you're just looking at every system individually, of course it doesn't amount to much, but looking at it this way doesn't make sense.

Also you ASSUME that no one is buying those. But when you think about it, novelty IS a great incentive. Since few people had the occasion to get the new helmets, having the choice of waiting an undeterminate amount of time or spending plat right away weighs heavily in the balance. The sole existence of this thread should give you a hint that people indeed ARE looking for those helmets.

You're just going off personnal assumptions. Why is it so hard for people to understand that DE needs to generate money any way they can to keep the game going. And when you consider that everything is still obtainable for free with little effort, demanding that more and more stuff be given away is just ridiculous.

[(PSN)The1stAzrael]

11 hours ago, Fallen77 said:

Warframe is full of systems making only pocket change, but that's the sum of it all that matters. If you're just looking at every system individually, of course it doesn't amount to much, but looking at it this way doesn't make sense.

Also you ASSUME that no one is buying those. But when you think about it, novelty IS a great incentive. Since few people had the occasion to get the new helmets, having the choice of waiting an undeterminate amount of time or spending plat right away weighs heavily in the balance. The sole existence of this thread should give you a hint that people indeed ARE looking for those helmets.

You're just going off personnal assumptions. Why is it so hard for people to understand that DE needs to generate money any way they can to keep the game going. And when you consider that everything is still obtainable for free with little effort, demanding that more and more stuff be given away is just ridiculous.

I have a reason to believe no one is buying these items because Gauss and Grendel are frames I rarely ever see. The last time I saw another Gauss was weeks ago, and last week I ran into a Grendel, possibly only the third time since his release, so going off of that anecdotal evidence, I reasonably assume that if barely anyone is playing these frames, then barely anyone would be buying their cosmetics. Novelty can be a good incentive if it's in regards to something people find even moderately desirable, otherwise, they will not bother getting it, regardless of how rare it seems to be. Another thing to consider is that these helmets still cost the NW currency, and unless you've completed all the ranks or haven't really been buying things, I doubt any amount of novelty will make you spend your limited amount in of creds on something that is entirely useless to you.  

No one is demanding DE give away anything or make more stuff obtainable with little effort, and I believe we're all aware that DE needs to make money, I don't think anyone here is denying that, what I am doing is simply questioning your opinion of how they're making that money. To me, it's an amusing stance, and one that I see taken in most gaming communities. If an item is hard to come by, it must be because the devs are up to something nefarious, it can't possibly be because of something going wrong in the game (which has been known to happen with atleast two other items, a Nakak mask and a Hildryn helmet).

Also, your entire argument is built off of an unfounded assumption that DE is purposefully withholding these items. This entire discussion (and a large majority of the forums, for the most part) is based off of personal assumptions, speculation, and opinions, you, I, and others are making, so way to state the obvious. 

[Fallen77]

Il y a 11 heures, (PS4)The1stAzrael a dit :

I have a reason to believe no one is buying these items because Gauss and Grendel are frames I rarely ever see. The last time I saw another Gauss was weeks ago, and last week I ran into a Grendel, possibly only the third time since his release, so going off of that anecdotal evidence, I reasonably assume that if barely anyone is playing these frames, then barely anyone would be buying their cosmetics. Novelty can be a good incentive if it's in regards to something people find even moderately desirable, otherwise, they will not bother getting it, regardless of how rare it seems to be. Another thing to consider is that these helmets still cost the NW currency, and unless you've completed all the ranks or haven't really been buying things, I doubt any amount of novelty will make you spend your limited amount in of creds on something that is entirely useless to you.  

No one is demanding DE give away anything or make more stuff obtainable with little effort, and I believe we're all aware that DE needs to make money, I don't think anyone here is denying that, what I am doing is simply questioning your opinion of how they're making that money. To me, it's an amusing stance, and one that I see taken in most gaming communities. If an item is hard to come by, it must be because the devs are up to something nefarious, it can't possibly be because of something going wrong in the game (which has been known to happen with atleast two other items, a Nakak mask and a Hildryn helmet).

Also, your entire argument is built off of an unfounded assumption that DE is purposefully withholding these items. This entire discussion (and a large majority of the forums, for the most part) is based off of personal assumptions, speculation, and opinions, you, I, and others are making, so way to state the obvious. 

Not spending more time here. Sorry but you're giving me arguments that I already covered and/or are purely biased and incorrect and/or are debunked by the sole existence of this thread.

I can only suggest that we agree to disagree.