(XBOX)Ancient Mutt Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Will Heart of Deimos show how Infested stuff might infect sentient units? We've seen them take over moas and Grineer, etc, so will the virus mutate and adapt to take control over sentient technology? Or is it the other way around, did sentient beings somehow create infested? I don't understand that bit of lore, the past involving Orokin and the Sacrifice and alliegences with Corpus investors and Grineer Engineers and Tau interactions all seems a bit too murky for me to understand. Can someone help me clear this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, (XB1)Primus Patronum said: Will Heart of Deimos show how Infested stuff might infect sentient units? We've seen them take over moas and Grineer, etc, so will the virus mutate and adapt to take control over sentient technology? Or is it the other way around, did sentient beings somehow create infested? I don't understand that bit of lore, the past involving Orokin and the Sacrifice and alliegences with Corpus investors and Grineer Engineers and Tau interactions all seems a bit too murky for me to understand. Can someone help me clear this up? spoiler cause ... Spoiler SENTIENT: sentients were created as drones by orokin (black starfish like drones) these were transported to tau (somehow not void related) and due to weather and harsh conditions adapted and developed larger and bigger till they gained sentience and were able to appreciate the world the created. apparently the orokin discovered this and tried to destroy them through some means. this caused sentients to send army after orokin and humanity (old war) sentient can take control of most technology and mechanical devices wirelessly or make it into new sentient (so warships , weapons like moas would turn on orokin /humanity ect) GRINEER: were the clone pseudo clone race of humans created to be the builders/slaves of orokin , okokin on attack from sentients armed them and they revolted and follow twin queens (so a three way war ... INFESTED: this was a revived bio weapon that was revived from old data orokin had stored from humanities past. a cannon link to the DARKSECTORS game . the technocyte virus, a bionanomachine tech that infects and corrupts organic cells , hope was to use on sentient and develop bio devices sentient could not hack, turn against humanity/orokin . this later lead to the great plague (mire codex) which unleashed it on the system to create gardens of resource bio creations. warframes , helmith , orokin towers, ect were derived from this and caused a huge population loss on human side but allowed orokin to develop anti sentient bio countermeasures basically nano spore which is core of everything in the game was derived to be use din various ways ALADV: only in recent times did a new strain tweaked by alad v have the capability to infect technology aka infested moas, ospery . not sure if this effects sentient still but normal technology is affected , no sentient affected at this time per jordus we know they can affect cephalons though hope this clears it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailclipper Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 An infested corrupted amalgam who drank Kuva blood would be the greatest being ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheePrime Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Nailclipper said: An infested corrupted amalgam who drank Kuva blood would be the greatest being ever! A weapon to surpass metal gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 "The Quills speak of Sentient Immunity to the Infestation". The Infestation was created to destroy the Sentients and failed miserably in the process, because the Sentients managed to evolve immunity. The Sentients are even somewhat toxic to the Infested, although that might just be the Eidolons. It's unlikely that the Mutalist strain changed this, as this information came from the Plague Star event, which involved Mutalist strain infested, was still vulnerable to the Eidolon Phylaxis. Besides, the Quills can see into the future somewhat, so if they say Sentients can shrug off infestation, then it's probably going to stay that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyreaus Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 There is unlikely to be infested Sentients due to their probable immunity. Political cooperation, on the other hand...well, it'd be a neat insight into how the Sentient operate, possible parallels or contrasts with the Infested hive-mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ShadowBlood89 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Eidolon PhylaxisSentient immunity to the Infestation is exploited with this refined phylaxis. Formulated specifically to combat Infested boils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Ancient Mutt Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 Thanks for the responses, a lot to think about. Thanks to @EternaldrkMako for the explanation too. It kinda clears up, still a bit wooly to me, though. ... DE really should do a Warframe movie at some point about all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lumen2ne1 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Loza03 said: "The Quills speak of Sentient Immunity to the Infestation". The Infestation was created to destroy the Sentients and failed miserably in the process, because the Sentients managed to evolve immunity. The Sentients are even somewhat toxic to the Infested, although that might just be the Eidolons. It's unlikely that the Mutalist strain changed this, as this information came from the Plague Star event, which involved Mutalist strain infested, was still vulnerable to the Eidolon Phylaxis. Besides, the Quills can see into the future somewhat, so if they say Sentients can shrug off infestation, then it's probably going to stay that way. Aren't Kavats supposed to be immune to infested as well? yet we're getting an infested Kavat in this update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Ancient Mutt Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, (PS4)lumen2ne1 said: Aren't Kavats supposed to be immune to infested as well? yet we're getting an infested Kavat in this update. That's the problem with viruses, they adapt and mutate and overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, (PS4)lumen2ne1 said: Aren't Kavats supposed to be immune to infested as well? yet we're getting an infested Kavat in this update. Gene manipulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, (XB1)Primus Patronum said: Thanks for the responses, a lot to think about. Thanks to @EternaldrkMako for the explanation too. It kinda clears up, still a bit wooly to me, though. ... DE really should do a Warframe movie at some point about all this. There are some bits he skipped over about the Sentients. They were send to Tau through REAL SPACE. "Somehow not void related" because there was no Solar Rail in Tau to make a "corridor". They made the journey the same way we would in the real world: the old fashioned way. Sentients were build with a flaw: Void energy would destroy them in the case they tried to come back and were sentient as they feared (Crewman Synthesis). I imagine the Orokin did discover they became exactly what they feared, the old war began, Sentients came to Sol... and were not destroyed, but sterielized. The Orokin shat they collective pants, the Sentients became even more murderous and everything escalated. There was also a misconception on Grineer. They did NOT fight against the Orokin during the Old War, it was AFTER the Fall that they rebelled (Eviscerator Synthesis). DE has said time and time again that Warframe is the spiritual successor to Dark Sector or happened so long ago that it doesnt even matter. The Infestation virus here has no link to Dark Sector aside from that. The Infestation was a BOW that was made an unknow time ago, but ravaged the outer colonies (Likely the Outer Planets like Eris) and was then re-porpused to make a hybrid that would make the Warframes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, (PS4)lumen2ne1 said: Aren't Kavats supposed to be immune to infested as well? yet we're getting an infested Kavat in this update. We don't know if it's truly an infested Kavat, or if it's an alternative infested organism that looks and behaves like one. Either way, I have a personal suspicion that Kavats are 'immune' like Warframes are. Sigor Savah didn't notice anything odd about Venari's biology, yet Venari is known to be of 'one flesh' with the Helminth-made Khora. Moonless Kavats also display markings similar to wild infested, which alone would just be a potential case of normal camoflage, but in tandem with the Venari realisation, I think it's possible that Kavats as a species are a form of Technocyte organism - possibly only partially so, but enough to render them immune. An Infested Kavat, therefore, would be one either with a higher percentage of Technocyte, or one where the Technocyte within was brought under the Infested mind's control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troposphere6 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Loza03 said: We don't know if it's truly an infested Kavat, or if it's an alternative infested organism that looks and behaves like one. Either way, I have a personal suspicion that Kavats are 'immune' like Warframes are. Sigor Savah didn't notice anything odd about Venari's biology, yet Venari is known to be of 'one flesh' with the Helminth-made Khora. Moonless Kavats also display markings similar to wild infested, which alone would just be a potential case of normal camoflage, but in tandem with the Venari realisation, I think it's possible that Kavats as a species are a form of Technocyte organism - possibly only partially so, but enough to render them immune. An Infested Kavat, therefore, would be one either with a higher percentage of Technocyte, or one where the Technocyte within was brought under the Infested mind's control. Isn't the strain of infestation on deimos a different strain of the infestation, so Kavat's could be immune to the helminth, mutualist, and eris strains but not immune to the deimos strain which I think is called the grey strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Unlikely , Because both are far too different yet similar to be able to do that. The Sentients that we fight like the battalysts and conculyst are just parts of a larger entity (imagine small cells in a body) with a common purpose. The Infestation is one hive mind that consumes objects and replicates them on a physical level to the best of its capacity. the infestation cannot consume sentients any more than a fungus could consume an email virus (though it could definitely consume a PC holding that virus). The work of alad with amalgams though .... that kinda opens doors , amalgams might have resistance to void , but they are susceptible to the more mortal issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScytheFly Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Troposphere6 said: Isn't the strain of infestation on deimos a different strain of the infestation, so Kavat's could be immune to the helminth, mutualist, and eris strains but not immune to the deimos strain which I think is called the grey strain. It might be possible. the orokin are suppose to immune to the infested as they won't make something that might try to kill them without someway to protect themself (like how they make sentients weak to void, they always have failsafes for everything that they plan) but what we saw in trailer is that the whole family of orokin that manage the void already infested so bad that they lose lower half body. This Grey strain might be bad news for everythings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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