ToxicSupercell Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Well Khora is already strong with an augment and a good statstick but provided Venari is a passive, which other ability would you replace Khoras 3 with? I don't really use her 3 other than occasionally making her attack a strong enemy to strip armor (at least I think it does that idk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galuf Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 No it procs bleed lol. It is tricky because the ability 3 of khora gives a bit of speed but there are big forced synergies between the 3 other ability. So you either remove her 3 for mobility or tankyness, either you remove her 2 or 4 depending of mission type/layouts for maxing out mobility. The frame is plain OP atm, it is like Gara in terms of mechanics except he does hard CC and has damage multipliers while gara has slower cast animations, damage reduction and bigger ranges. It's way better in SP, however a properly build Gara is overkill for the startchart, kuva liches and even arbis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsiWarp Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I'm curious to see if it will completely remove Venari's posture powers if the 3 is gone. Attack and Heal are good but Protect is meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Her 3rd is pure garbage. I would replace it with anything even well of life is a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeuksal Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, JackHargreav said: Her 3rd is pure garbage. I would replace it with anything even well of life is a better option. You think so? Seems like you haven't tested Venari Bodyguard yet on high level content while whipping around 2-10mil damage and instantly refreshing the augment condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NeunDrachen Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Tempest barrage so her net just becomes a full lock down with armor strip. Well of life or blood altar is also good fer her pets id say. Hp regen or just more lifesteal is always nice. Got some more ideas but ill wait till the update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Euphoria_ Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I believe this is the perfect thread tl ask this question. Would Khora’s whipclaw trigger stealth multiplier of Breach Surge???? If so that may be the best abilty for her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazerXPrime Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 With regards to her 3rd ability, there's a lot going on with that one. It gives passive movement speed. It allows you to have Venari target something for 120 seconds and you can revive Venari. Aside from that you can rotate postures with varying levels of usefulness. I myself never found the defense posture very useful, it is much more useful to just select heal. The attack one is ok at lower levels. I don't use it very often. If they could make the postures more useful then it would be better. Defense posture for instance giving damage reduction to marks and having Venari attack those that fire on the guarded mark would make it more useful. Attack could be good if it scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerkules Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, _Euphoria_ said: I believe this is the perfect thread tl ask this question. Would Khora’s whipclaw trigger stealth multiplier of Breach Surge???? If so that may be the best abilty for her Does Khora really need a damage buff for her whip though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Euphoria_ Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Berzerkules said: Does Khora really need a damage buff for her whip though? No, but still... Warframe is a game about being overpowered with fashion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)NuclearSquiddy Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 incorrect: warframe is solely about fashion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C11H22O11 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Don't know if I want to replace anything she already has a lot of damage and crowd control idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NeunDrachen Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Berzerkules said: Does Khora really need a damage buff for her whip though? It might be good fer hybrid builds that dont focus solely on whipclaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerkules Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, _Euphoria_ said: No, but still... Warframe is a game about being overpowered with fashion She can one shot well into trade ban territory with a 40% strength build. I was thinking Condemn to keep with the whips and chains theme. It would also help reset her shield gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicD Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said: With regards to her 3rd ability, there's a lot going on with that one. It gives passive movement speed. It allows you to have Venari target something for 120 seconds and you can revive Venari. Aside from that you can rotate postures with varying levels of usefulness. I myself never found the defense posture very useful, it is much more useful to just select heal. The attack one is ok at lower levels. I don't use it very often. If they could make the postures more useful then it would be better. Defense posture for instance giving damage reduction to marks and having Venari attack those that fire on the guarded mark would make it more useful. Attack could be good if it scales. Venari is Khora's passive. As long Venari is alive you get the movement speed buff. If she dies its a 45 second wait. You use the 3rd ability to skip the time wait for energy cost. The 3rd ability will ''stance switch'' venari giving minor buffs but as far as i am concerned , this is an ability you can safely ''dump'' out of her kit and replace. You still have venari but can't ''stance switch'' her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicSupercell Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, iHeuksal said: You think so? Seems like you haven't tested Venari Bodyguard yet on high level content while whipping around 2-10mil damage and instantly refreshing the augment condition. Can you tell me which augment condition? I can't currently log in game. --- Well I personally don't use her 3 heal or defend anymore. I run with both strangledome and whipclaw augment. 220 range, 130 effi, 70 strength and 100 duration. I don't tend to die as I don't really go in long runs. Always use the arcane that tethers enemies, press 4 press 2,press 1. That way I can kill more than 10 enemies easily. A healing ability might be nice as helios tend to die sometimes (gotta get forma), but was thinking about a 'quality of life' ability that might be somewhat useful. But will have to see if venari really stays if you get rid of her 3, as I'm not giving Venari up. I like the double enemy and loot range and double vacuum. The speed buff isn't really that important to me personally as I only bullet jump, never got used to sprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeuksal Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, ToxicSupercell said: Can you tell me which augment condition? I can't currently log in game. --- Well I personally don't use her 3 heal or defend anymore. I run with both strangledome and whipclaw augment. 220 range, 130 effi, 70 strength and 100 duration. I don't tend to die as I don't really go in long runs. Always use the arcane that tethers enemies, press 4 press 2,press 1. That way I can kill more than 10 enemies easily. A healing ability might be nice as helios tend to die sometimes (gotta get forma), but was thinking about a 'quality of life' ability that might be somewhat useful. But will have to see if venari really stays if you get rid of her 3, as I'm not giving Venari up. I like the double enemy and loot range and double vacuum. The speed buff isn't really that important to me personally as I only bullet jump, never got used to sprint. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Venari_Bodyguard Btw. you can selectively add the new skill of another frame on Khora (in this example) on Loadout C for instance, while your Loadout A and B, which uses Strangle Dome with the augment for more loots and such. I am rather using her first ability, second only on beefy (high armor) enemies or if I need a breather. Around 90% Strength, 180 Range, less than 50% duration, 175% efficiency - spamming 1 build, lets call it like that. If you wanna replace her 3rd ability with anything else, Venari will disappear, since the ability is linked with the Kavat, therefore no skill = no cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarriaga Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Venari is only bad if you're doing an AW build with negative strength and you haven't forma'd her. I play tank Umbra Khora with 181% strength; Venari can kill a level 175 Corrupted Heavy Gunner in a single attack cycle as she procs slash, viral and heat at 86% status while healing you at the same time because of Hunter Recovery (No heal mode needed). The problem with Venari is that, as an Exalted Cat, you have to invest several Forma to make the best out of her (Venom Teeth, Frost Jaw, Flame Gland, Hunter Recovery). Thus people find for the ability to be trash as you won't get immediate good use out of the gate. I mean, people don't even seem to realize that her healing mode doesn't heal you nearly as much as letting her attack freely with Hunter Recovery..... I may replace Ensnare with Blood Altar since that fits my support tank build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, iHeuksal said: You think so? Seems like you haven't tested Venari Bodyguard yet on high level content while whipping around 2-10mil damage and instantly refreshing the augment condition. Since I have better options no I haven't done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridian Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Farm build with dispenser, if we can macro that afk would be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicSupercell Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 Thanks for the answers everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazerXPrime Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, EpicD said: Venari is Khora's passive. As long Venari is alive you get the movement speed buff. If she dies its a 45 second wait. You use the 3rd ability to skip the time wait for energy cost. The 3rd ability will ''stance switch'' venari giving minor buffs but as far as i am concerned , this is an ability you can safely ''dump'' out of her kit and replace. You still have venari but can't ''stance switch'' her. Not sure that's the case. Vanari is Khora's passive. As far as the wiki is concerned the speed buff comes passively from her 3 as long as Venari is alive. Venari will also have no stance if you don't have her 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicD Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said: Not sure that's the case. Vanari is Khora's passive. As far as the wiki is concerned the speed buff comes passively from her 3 as long as Venari is alive. Venari will also have no stance if you don't have her 3. No, I think you misunderstand. You gain the speed buff as long as venari is alive. You do not need her 3 for the speed buff. Her 3 has no part in gaining the speed buff. All the 3 does is control the kitty or revive the kitty when it dies. So you can replace the 3 and keep the speed buff whenever the kitty is alive. all you lost is the ability to switch stances and the revive thats associated with that skill. Venari will always stay with you since its Khora's passive. So, if you had to replace an ability on her, her 3 would be the best choice imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazerXPrime Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, EpicD said: No, I think you misunderstand. You gain the speed buff as long as venari is alive. You do not need her 3 for the speed buff. Her 3 has no part in gaining the speed buff. All the 3 does is control the kitty or revive the kitty when it dies. So you can replace the 3 and keep the speed buff whenever the kitty is alive. all you lost is the ability to switch stances and the revive thats associated with that skill. Venari will always stay with you since its Khora's passive. So, if you had to replace an ability on her, her 3 would be the best choice imho. So if I would forma my Khora and reset her to unranked I would still gain the speed buff? I don't remember, but if that's the case then the wiki is wrong. Edit: game also states the speed buff under her 3. Not sure, but I also think you'll lose the means of modding Venari if you don't have her 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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