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(PSN)Madurai-Prime

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18 minutes ago, Rantear said:

You... don't play alot of games, don't you? 🙃

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imho level system is one of the worst things to ever happen to the industry
But that's entirely diferent story

 

You don't even have to check for chances/requirements
If there is no way to get resources outside of a main activity (mining/fishing), then it's safe to assume that requirements are unreasonable, as it was the case with PoE and OV, it's unlikely that CD will be any 

I play exclusively MMOs, which have always had gear.

I'm not sure what a quote saying "there shouldn't be levels" is supposed to mean? Is there any actual detail behind that single sentence? 

How would a game work without levels or progression? I'm genuinely curious, maybe you can help us out.

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9 минут назад, (PS4)Madurai-Prime сказал:

I play exclusively MMOs, which have always had gear.

I'm not sure what a quote saying "there shouldn't be levels" is supposed to mean? Is there any actual detail behind that single sentence? 

How would a game work without levels or progression? I'm genuinely curious, maybe you can help us out.

Jeez, you should really play other genres of games, you're missing alot.

As of why levels are one of the worst systems of progression, if you're interested, you should look into it yourself, there's probably videos about it from people who could actually explain it alot better than i ever would.
But IMO, in combat-oriented games that i've played levels either don't mean anything, as enemies scale with you, and regardless if you're lvl 1 or lvl 1000 they feel the same, as no new mechanics are added.
Or levels completely negate any skill requirements for the game, they give you alot of numerical advantages over enemies, and you can just overlevel yourself, and basically become a god, after that game just becomes boring and loses any replayability.
There's also a third variant, and Warframe utilises it - only enemies have levels, and it's just a way to add artificial difficulty to the game - enemies get higher in level, get spongier, hit harder and after a certain point they become literal gods in comparison to you, nothing special, no interesting mechanics, just numbers.... terrible game-design honestly....

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1 hour ago, Tesseract7777 said:

There is no hypocrisy.

That second group you mentioned said: "Hey DE this stuff needs to be nerfed or replaced with a different ability before release". DE said "Yeah okay our tests are showing the same thing we are going to do that". 

And the anti-ever nerf anything ever crowd went on a rampage through the forums, many personally blaming a few key community members who spoke out in the developer workshop thread for the pre-release nerfs, although this blame game was mostly left to the actual dev workshop thread where there was a fair bit of nasty arguing.

And so yes, some of us are concerned DE is going to be less likely to allow the forum goers in on the process when they go absolutely ape over nerfs to something that haven't even been released, when we are being allowed to be a part of the pre-development system in a way most games do not even allow. Yes, that concerns me. 

except when they tested it orginally they didnt come to this conclusion, they started to think that after feedback from people.

whats more they werent even sure if that would happen, here is quote from post when they first mentioned nerf:

Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules?
It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused.

 

it says potential to be the overwhelming choice and they made this change based on concerns, this shows that they dont know if it will happen for sure and that makes sense because to check something like this you need a LOT of players, having test cluster would help but even that could be too small test sample to be sure, only way to be sure is to give it to players and based on data decide what to do with it.

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3 minutes ago, Culaio said:

except when they tested it orginally they didnt come to this conclusion, they started to think that after feedback from people.

whats more they werent even sure if that would happen, here is quote from post when they first mentioned nerf:

Why do these Infused Warframe Abilities have these rules?
It was apparent in player feedback and play testing that these Infused Warframe Abilities had the potential to be the overwhelming choice; which is not ideal. Instead of changing the Ability outright due to those concerns, we decided to give them slight rules when Infused.

 

it says potential to be the overwhelming choice and they made this change based on concerns, this shows that they dont know if it will happen for sure and that makes sense because to check something like this you need a LOT of players, having test cluster would help but even that could be too small test sample to be sure, only way to be sure is to give it to players and based on data decide what to do with it.

This is a direct quote from Rebecca: 

"Helminth was all fact-based excitement in what choices you’d make. In addition to player commentary, our own internal tests skewed intensely toward Damage buffing abilities in this system after the list was circulated. (P.S don’t blame community members)."

Bolding is mine for emphasis. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Tesseract7777 said:

This is a direct quote from Rebecca: 

"Helminth was all fact-based excitement in what choices you’d make. In addition to player commentary, our own internal tests skewed intensely toward Damage buffing abilities in this system after the list was circulated. (P.S don’t blame community members)."

Bolding is mine for emphasis. 

 

what I said was also direct quote from Rebecca, so yes their test shown that damage buffs have potential to be overwhelming choice.

also no reason to bold the community part because I dont blame community I only criticise people who actually do it, especially when they are hypocritical about it.

 

the list of abilties they decided to nerf shows that their test may not be the best seeing how some of abilities shouldnt be nerfed because they arent that amazing, funnily enough some people realized that there is some ability that has VERY strong potential but they dont want to mention it by name out fear DE will nerf it too.

 

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