Conservation, Son Tokens, and ranking up

[-CdG-Zilchy]

Anyone having trouble with conservation, take my advice if you wish to get the content done. I'm one of those who enjoys conservation in the other open worlds(though sawgaws can be annoying sometimes) and I've adapted to find solutions to the inevitable first week bugs of a fresh release. 

- Don't use the lure points unless you're going to use pheremones, there are heaps of spawns throughout the map, you can't go 50 meters in archwing without hearing the tranq rifle tick.
- Use equinox and choose a bright energy colour for it(I recommend green), when you're in the vicinity but can't see it, use sleep(barely requires targeting) and it will highlight it with your energy colour which contrasts better with the surroundings than the tranq rifle highlight. Using sleep can also solve the bug where avichea can spawn inside the edge of the walls on the Cerebrum Magna as it often makes them fall out, while the tranq rifle cannot hit them.
- Use Archwing, fly around the outside edge of the world doing slow laps(this resets the spawns constantly) and look through your tranq rifle, you will spot TONS of animals spawning on the edges(easier to see) to tranq or use sleep on. FYI don't use sleep on Predasites, they wake up almost immediately then run off and disappear by burrowing. Shoot them each twice with tranq rifle instead.

Now some of you are going to tell me "why should I, why can't they make it work, why can't they just get rid of it. To those I say, it's not going anywhere, it's better than it is on Fortuna(looking at you sawgaw) and you can either complain and refuse to do it in the vain hope that they change it(they won't) OR you can stop locking yourself out of content with your pride and use the solution that I've presented you seeing as I adapted my equipment to solve a buggy issue and I'm sharing it to help you all. And incase you don't think this will work, I'm not in the habit of giving bad advice. The amount below took 2 cycles. Obviously, you don't need that many, I just like floofs :) Good luck to those of you who give it a go.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

49 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

Anyone having trouble with conservation, take my advice if you wish to get the content done. I'm one of those who enjoys conservation in the other open worlds(though sawgaws can be annoying sometimes) and I've adapted to find solutions to the inevitable first week bugs of a fresh release. 

- Don't use the lure points unless you're going to use pheremones, there are heaps of spawns throughout the map, you can't go 50 meters in archwing without hearing the tranq rifle tick.
- Use equinox and choose a bright energy colour for it(I recommend green), when you're in the vicinity but can't see it, use sleep(barely requires targeting) and it will highlight it with your energy colour which contrasts better with the surroundings than the tranq rifle highlight. Using sleep can also solve the bug where avichea can spawn inside the edge of the walls on the Cerebrum Magna as it often makes them fall out, while the tranq rifle cannot hit them.
- Use Archwing, fly around the outside edge of the world doing slow laps(this resets the spawns constantly) and look through your tranq rifle, you will spot TONS of animals spawning on the edges(easier to see) to tranq or use sleep on. FYI don't use sleep on Predasites, they wake up almost immediately then run off and disappear by burrowing. Shoot them each twice with tranq rifle instead.

Now some of you are going to tell me "why should I, why can't they make it work, why can't they just get rid of it. To those I say, it's not going anywhere, it's better than it is on Fortuna(looking at you sawgaw) and you can either complain and refuse to do it in the vain hope that they change it(they won't) OR you can stop locking yourself out of content with your pride and use the solution that I've presented you seeing as I adapted my equipment to solve a buggy issue and I'm sharing it to help you all. And incase you don't think this will work, I'm not in the habit of giving bad advice. The amount below took 2 cycles. Obviously, you don't need that many, I just like floofs :) Good luck to those of you who give it a go.

Haven't tried to equinox anything but I appreciate the tips. I don't really care for conservation but I have literally been stumbling across captures during bounties without touching the tranq rifle, so I can confirm that there are abundant spawns. Yeah going ou and archwinging with the tranq is also a good way to spot targets, but figuring out where the beeping comes from is a bit of a pain, but DE said that they're tweaking the tranq HUD which sounds like it's going to make it much better. 

Just came out of a quick fly around with 6 tags and only used one call point (ironically I got a totally different tag before I found the bug that I'd called.)

 

Right now the problem is that most people don't have the design of the new targets fixed in memory yet. Instead of just putting a little effort into it, people are just whining about something that's really nowhere near as terrible as they're claiming. 

[-CdG-Zilchy]

9 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Haven't tried to equinox anything but I appreciate the tips. I don't really care for conservation but I have literally been stumbling across captures during bounties without touching the tranq rifle, so I can confirm that there are abundant spawns. Yeah going ou and archwinging with the tranq is also a good way to spot targets, but figuring out where the beeping comes from is a bit of a pain, but DE said that they're tweaking the tranq HUD which sounds like it's going to make it much better. 

Just came out of a quick fly around with 6 tags and only used one call point (ironically I got a totally different tag before I found the bug that I'd called.)

 

Right now the problem is that most people don't have the design of the new targets fixed in memory yet. Instead of just putting a little effort into it, people are just whining about something that's really nowhere near as terrible as they're claiming. 

With the beeping I have found the best solution is to do the laps so that you're heading in 1 direction. Most of the time they will spawn right on the cliff edge as you fly around so you basically just use the beeps to know when to pay attention. Sometimes you get smaller ones like Cryptilex that are a bit further in and harder to see. I've been using equinox since Fortuna release, I never understood why people championed Ivara when sleep is so much easier to cast on equinox. I guess there's the whole "hunter" vibe to going invis with Ivara but it's far slower and covers less ground. 
And I agree with your last point entirely. I often stumble on groups of 3 avichea just chillin in the air using this method, I've probably caught over 100 by now with very little effort. As for fixes, all they need to really do is make the tranq energy colour customisable, fix footprints off the tracking like they did for Fortuna and prevent avichea from being able to glitch inside the wall. The idea that they cling to things is a good one, it's just been poorly coded in. Many frustrations from Sawgaws has taught me to use Sleep ability because it alters their physical game state, allowing them to fall through mediums such as the larvae walls on the Cerebrum Magna.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

2 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

With the beeping I have found the best solution is to do the laps so that you're heading in 1 direction. Most of the time they will spawn right on the cliff edge as you fly around so you basically just use the beeps to know when to pay attention. Sometimes you get smaller ones like Cryptilex that are a bit further in and harder to see. I've been using equinox since Fortuna release, I never understood why people championed Ivara when sleep is so much easier to cast on equinox. I guess there's the whole "hunter" vibe to going invis with Ivara but it's far slower and covers less ground. 
And I agree with your last point entirely. I often stumble on groups of 3 avichea just chillin in the air using this method, I've probably caught over 100 by now with very little effort. As for fixes, all they need to really do is make the tranq energy colour customisable, fix footprints off the tracking like they did for Fortuna and prevent avichea from being able to glitch inside the wall. The idea that they cling to things is a good one, it's just been poorly coded in. Many frustrations from Sawgaws has taught me to use Sleep ability because it alters their physical game state, allowing them to fall through mediums such as the larvae walls on the Cerebrum Magna.

I did use equinox on Fortuna, but like I said I don't really care for conservation. (I live on an island in the Caribbean, so there's not much of this sort of hunting, it's just not a big part of our collective psyche, fishing on the other hand is right up my alley.) 

But I can admit that I have even made a capture by accident during bounties without even knowing what was causing the "press button to interact" prompt. If stuff is that common, that it can literally happen without taking any additional steps, then as far as I'm concerned it's already got to be a pretty painless process in HoD. 

[Ikusias]

5 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

 

But I can admit that I have even made a capture by accident during bounties without even knowing what was causing the "press button to interact" prompt. If stuff is that common, that it can literally happen without taking any additional steps, then as far as I'm concerned it's already got to be a pretty painless process in HoD. 

that was probably a downed predasite lying in the infested grass after being mauled by the local fauna

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

13 minutes ago, Ikusias said:

that was probably a downed predasite lying in the infested grass after being mauled by the local fauna

Whatever it was was fighting with the infested just to the side of the objective we were doing. Don't remember if it was the dog or the cat. I saw a bunch of enemies and hopped over and started knocking heads together. All of a sudden a prompt popped up, like a finisher prompt so I hit it.... Cue cutscene and Son yammering something while I'm trying to get back to killing enemies. 😅

[(PSN)Kakurine2]

All these grinds should have worked like cetus. Forcing the animal hunts.  Having varying badges or the toroids is such a tedious pain for no reason.

Once i make helmith demios can rot

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

11 minutes ago, (PS4)Kakurine2 said:

All these grinds should have worked like cetus. Forcing the animal hunts.  Having varying badges or the toroids is such a tedious pain for no reason.

Once i make helmith demios can rot

You need fish parts to rank up with the Ostrons. Congratulations. It DOES work just like Cetus. 

[Thando]

Once I actually looked at the rank up requirements and the "special offers" it was an easy choice. 

Plat well spend.

Conservation was in my opinion already boring and as far from WF as I could even want to go. Now with the addition of infested mobs popping up at random everywhere and suckers constantly spawning to harass you (and kill the critter to be saved), my god, it SUCKS.

Of course that is my opinion, but personally I didn't come here to save endangered wildlife.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

16 minutes ago, Thando said:

Once I actually looked at the rank up requirements and the "special offers" it was an easy choice. 

Plat well spend.

Conservation was in my opinion already boring and as far from WF as I could even want to go. Now with the addition of infested mobs popping up at random everywhere and suckers constantly spawning to harass you (and kill the critter to be saved), my god, it SUCKS.

Of course that is my opinion, but personally I didn't come here to save endangered wildlife.

The corpus and grineer always did that too, so no significant difference to speak of. 

 

You guys sure you know what you're talking about? 

[Damocles]

I think the problem is, previously we can turn in w/e we want. Now we have to turn in x of this, y of this and z of that. So me having 420 sly vulpaphyla and 69 common avichaea but 0 white velocipods means I get 0 son tokens. Inconsistent with other methods of acquiring standing/progression, instead of being allowed to turn in what you have, we're forced to constantly come check and provide exactly and only what is randomly desired.

The problem with the new system is that you're required to get an abundant amount of everything to be guaranteed the progression that is already capped (tokens) on top of being already capped (daily standing). I have thousands of mother tokens because they dont require anything and are valued nearly nothing, but grandma thinks all tokens are equal, and so I have NEVER SPENT A SINGLE SON TOKEN on anything because I know 1 son token is equal to 1000 mother tokens.

Seeing the system right now as is, I will collect exactly 60 + w/e I need to get the final Entrati rank as there are 6 companions requiring 10 son tokens each... OOF ... Afterwards the son tokens are never being touched again. If the system is changed so that we can turn in w/e we have as opposed to exactly sets of w/e they want, I can see the token system being a direct upgrade to the previous system. As of now, it's a complete downgrade as there are multiple influences preventing progression:

1. Not having exactly x,y,z of items a,b,c so you cant get my 3 tokens
2. Certain resources being a big bottleneck for satisfying sets (DE thinks certain things are more common than they really are)
3. The token exchange is hard capped similarly to debt bonds in fortuna but unlike fortuna's debt bonds, you cannot earn certain tokens in missions/bounties
4. The son tokens in particular serve 3 purposes
   1. Rank up syndicates (1 each)
   2. Gild infested companions (10 each)
   3. Prevent you from redeeming Grandmother sets (Every time)

A reasonable fix would be either:

• Allow us to earn tokens in a linear system, not the current multi-path tree + rng system with the time-limited set-specific requirements
• Allow us to earn tokens in another way, like how we earn debt bonds in bounties of fortuna
• Let us convert tokens from 1 member to another, even if it's a 100 to 1 ratio for mother to another token type, and a 2 to 1 for others to each others

If I had to rate rarity

• Mother Tokens- Super easy,  no cap, no requirements
• Father Tokens- Easy, has cap, low requirements
• Otak Tokens- Easy-Medium, has cap, has requirements
• Daughter Tokens- Medium, has cap, has requirements but bottlenecked by Pustulent Cognitive Modules
• Son Tokens- Hard, has cap but it doesnt matter since all requirements are rare, super rare, or in a combination you dont have

[(PSN)Kakurine2]

3 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

You need fish parts to rank up with the Ostrons. Congratulations. It DOES work just like Cetus. 

The fish parts and ores needed in cetus to rank up are much easier to obtain. And theres no convoluted 6 different badges. Nor do we have to do the animsl hunts on cetus.  So no its not like cetus.

Both the demios grind and vox solaris grind are awful, impractical, inefficient, and just badly designed.

My bet is on average people will get helmeth then let the rest rot.

De just keep it simple. Run bounties for standing. As we do bounties we get resources for ranking up.

Let the fishing, ores, and animal hunts be extra and optional.  The convoluted badge system is trash..

Just as bad as the toroids having awful drop rates but needing them for ranks. And unlike the quils the special bosses don't give us the toroids we need to rank up.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

4 minutes ago, (PS4)Kakurine2 said:

The fish parts and ores needed in cetus to rank up are much easier to obtain. And theres no convoluted 6 different badges. Nor do we have to do the animsl hunts on cetus.  So no its not like cetus.

Both the demios grind and vox solaris grind are awful, impractical, inefficient, and just badly designed.

My bet is on average people eill get helmeth then let the rest rot.

Animal hunts weren't a requirement on Cetus because it didn't exist ... The multitude of tokens, are an illusion. Mother bounties reward you with loot to trade in for everything but Son's tokens. You don't need to fish, mine or do anything for Father, and Grangran lets you trade them in for Granny tokens worth 1.5x more standing on trade in. Capture targets can literally be picked up off the floor during the same bounties with no need to tranq them. Let me say it again, for clarity.

I LITERALLY EARNED A TAG BY ACCIDENT DURING A BOUNTY. 

That's an insanely low bar for entry into the family syndicate. The only thing that requires less effort put into playing the game, seems to be whining incessantly on the forums. 

 

[Hawk1911]

The whole "use the tranquilizer gun beeps to find animals" is nonsense when this entire open world glows the exact color as the marked enemies not to mention it gives you no direction nor any idea where the ping is coming from.  Don't forget that because this is an infected field everything looks the same.  Glowing dust floating in the air gives you visual "chaff" so have fun trying to focus on the smallest capture animal that the dart gun is trying to lead you to, poorly.  

 

You honestly just sound like an elitist, another "you guys just suck, get good, I don't know what your problem is I did it perfectly the instant that the content dropped" kind of player.

Sorry but when at least 50% of the WF population says that they do not like being forced to do this so called side activity that has been broken and buggy from its inception.  It kinda flies in the face of "everyone loves it and you just suck" mentality that you are displaying.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

35 minutes ago, Hawk1911 said:

The whole "use the tranquilizer gun beeps to find animals" is nonsense when this entire open world glows the exact color as the marked enemies not to mention it gives you no direction nor any idea where the ping is coming from.  Don't forget that because this is an infected field everything looks the same.  Glowing dust floating in the air gives you visual "chaff" so have fun trying to focus on the smallest capture animal that the dart gun is trying to lead you to, poorly.  

 

You honestly just sound like an elitist, another "you guys just suck, get good, I don't know what your problem is I did it perfectly the instant that the content dropped" kind of player.

Sorry but when at least 50% of the WF population says that they do not like being forced to do this so called side activity that has been broken and buggy from its inception.  It kinda flies in the face of "everyone loves it and you just suck" mentality that you are displaying.

1) The forums isn't 50% of the game population and people whining a lot doesn't equate to a lot of people whining. 

2) I'm one of the people who don't really like conservation, hunting by tracking calling and tranqing isn't my thing. But I have about as many tags from stuff I happened to come across during mother bounties, as I do from putting a very minimum of effort into bothering to go on 2 actual runs to try to get tags. 

At some point we need to recognize that if someone who doesn't actually bother to do it much is gradually collecting tags, sometimes literally by accident, then that's not elitist, and claiming that someone has to do it hardcore to get ahead is just another way that lazy and people try to get away with being lazy. 

 

[-CdG-Zilchy]

2 hours ago, Hawk1911 said:

The whole "use the tranquilizer gun beeps to find animals" is nonsense when this entire open world glows the exact color as the marked enemies not to mention it gives you no direction nor any idea where the ping is coming from.  Don't forget that because this is an infected field everything looks the same.  Glowing dust floating in the air gives you visual "chaff" so have fun trying to focus on the smallest capture animal that the dart gun is trying to lead you to, poorly.  

 

You honestly just sound like an elitist, another "you guys just suck, get good, I don't know what your problem is I did it perfectly the instant that the content dropped" kind of player.

Sorry but when at least 50% of the WF population says that they do not like being forced to do this so called side activity that has been broken and buggy from its inception.  It kinda flies in the face of "everyone loves it and you just suck" mentality that you are displaying.

Lol so I'm an elitist for trying to help people who aren't good at it? You're hilarious. You can use the beeps btw they have a range so you don't have to look too far. And by skirting the outside of the map you avoid most of the tangle. You can also strafe side to side in AW to remove the glowing haze but hey, better to complain about it and then call people elitists for trying to help right?

[AriaSTG]

Conservation game mode is too elite based, can we remove it? pity my potato tranq rifle, cant even take out a JungerNut 

[IspanoLFW]

16 hours ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

Anyone having trouble with conservation, take my advice if you wish to get the content done. I'm one of those who enjoys conservation in the other open worlds(though sawgaws can be annoying sometimes) and I've adapted to find solutions to the inevitable first week bugs of a fresh release. 

- Don't use the lure points unless you're going to use pheremones, there are heaps of spawns throughout the map, you can't go 50 meters in archwing without hearing the tranq rifle tick.
- Use equinox and choose a bright energy colour for it(I recommend green), when you're in the vicinity but can't see it, use sleep(barely requires targeting) and it will highlight it with your energy colour which contrasts better with the surroundings than the tranq rifle highlight. Using sleep can also solve the bug where avichea can spawn inside the edge of the walls on the Cerebrum Magna as it often makes them fall out, while the tranq rifle cannot hit them.
- Use Archwing, fly around the outside edge of the world doing slow laps(this resets the spawns constantly) and look through your tranq rifle, you will spot TONS of animals spawning on the edges(easier to see) to tranq or use sleep on. FYI don't use sleep on Predasites, they wake up almost immediately then run off and disappear by burrowing. Shoot them each twice with tranq rifle instead.

Now some of you are going to tell me "why should I, why can't they make it work, why can't they just get rid of it. To those I say, it's not going anywhere, it's better than it is on Fortuna(looking at you sawgaw) and you can either complain and refuse to do it in the vain hope that they change it(they won't) OR you can stop locking yourself out of content with your pride and use the solution that I've presented you seeing as I adapted my equipment to solve a buggy issue and I'm sharing it to help you all. And incase you don't think this will work, I'm not in the habit of giving bad advice. The amount below took 2 cycles. Obviously, you don't need that many, I just like floofs :) Good luck to those of you who give it a go.

As an added bit, I'd avoid using sleep on Cryptilex too, they seem to just straight up burrow if you do it, or are falling through the ground. And doesn't work on Velocipods, just lets you ride them regardless. Gotta Tranq.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

13 minutes ago, IspanoLFW said:

As an added bit, I'd avoid using sleep on Cryptilex too, they seem to just straight up burrow if you do it, or are falling through the ground. And doesn't work on Velocipods, just lets you ride them regardless. Gotta Tranq.

Yeh good point, thankyou. I do tend to shoot those little fellas cos they're just so damn cute.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

1 hour ago, AriaSTG said:

Conservation game mode is too elite based, can we remove it? pity my potato tranq rifle, cant even take out a JungerNut 

You need to equip a female kavat and lure it in with pherliac pods while doing a rain dance. Once it's seen your kavat it will rear up attempting to court it(unless it's ugly) with it's mating ritual, allowing you to tranq the soft underbelly.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

11 hours ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

You need to equip a female kavat and lure it in with pherliac pods while doing a rain dance. Once it's seen your kavat it will rear up attempting to court it(unless it's ugly) with it's mating ritual, allowing you to tranq the soft underbelly.

Nah, too much work. You can use the old, Amos Moses treatment, just knock 'em in the head with a stump. 

Spoiler

  

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[Ikusias]

Ok, when we will finally see the other tranq guns that the bussines has in his store up for purchase? or some extra widgets like those for the mining tool?

I'd love to see as options/purchasables:

- multi step zoom

- larger clip size

- faster/hitscan projectile

- larger tranq dose per shot (1 shot = 2 standard shots)

- codex scanner functionality

but mainly: High contrast target marking... on Deimos EVERYTHING is some hue of orange! change it to blue like codex scanner scanning targets