deimos heavily makes me, an mr29 want to quit

[WarmongerExtraordinare]

because it feels like DE has absolutely no taste for what the community even wants anymore. remember when we had actual quests, with actual story that actually affects you personally? those were the bomb. but now, in a futile attempt to "provide content" they adapted this so-called "open world" scheme. a big, glorified map, with nothing to do but grind for the sake of grind, getting increasingly enraging from one to another.

Sure, POE was somewhat new, experimental, interesting, but then they had to do the VERY same thing for the second time, just a shallow god-damn reskin of the first thing, with a couple of boss-fights. "here's a batch of 10+ new resources, your veteran status means nothing, have fun!" "hey, here's fortuna, you know the drill!" "hey tenno, Heart of Deimos, dude, a third open world!".

At this point i dont even have any warm feelings towards the game, "they announced the third chapter of the mindless grindfest, FML". now with deimos it turns out the duviri will be THE FOURTH INSTALLMENT and its always the very very very same thing. a load of new materials, some barely-even-new system, 10+ items to get for mastery and never come back to.and to make things even worse - the progression of deimos is times slower than fortuna where you could just conserve or mine.

im diving into destiny 2.

[RamonLLLL]

1 minute ago, GerberaOverture said:

im diving into destiny 2

Gold.

[WarmongerExtraordinare]

14 минут назад, RamonLeeYJ сказал:

Gold.

it is gold compared to current day warframe. every weapon, every exotic and every mod actually matter and allow for an ACTUAL variety of builds, instead of "press button kill room". not to mention that the game takes skill and coordination with the group from the community to achieve things. but lemme guess, you're trying to be all ironic and quirky huh

[(XBOX)ShonOfDawn]

1 hour ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

im diving into destiny 2.

Oh, because there you won't find "grinding for the sake of grinding". Every single MMO is just grind on top of grind, the only things that differ are the mechanics of said grind. In destiny, it's "do the raid/nightfall/flavor of the season activity each week until you get the rolls you want", in Warframe it is "do the open world/fissures/lich hunting/whatever activity to get the gear you want". You don't want to play the game because you are burnt out, don't act like it's the update's fault.

[BlackAce]

1 hour ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

im diving into destiny 2.

Good luck. I met a couple of new players came over from Destiny 2 for the past 2 months. Student exchange season?

[RazerXPrime]

It's never good to be stuck playing one single thing for an extended period of time. Warframe has a lot to offer for new players. I think it has way more to offer than Destiny 2. This doesn't mean either game is good or bad. They have pros and cons. Play either one. As long as you enjoy yourself. You find yourself not enjoying yourself it's only your fault for sticking around for it.

I get it. It's frustration. You want to like Warframe. But being burnt out on a game like this just means you need something else. Maybe you'll never come back to WF, maybe some time later you'll change how you feel about it and be able to enjoy it again. Both are ok.

[WarmongerExtraordinare]

4 минуты назад, RazerXPrime сказал:

It's never good to be stuck playing one single thing for an extended period of time. Warframe has a lot to offer for new players. I think it has way more to offer than Destiny 2. This doesn't mean either game is good or bad. They have pros and cons. Play either one. As long as you enjoy yourself. You find yourself not enjoying yourself it's only your fault for sticking around for it.

I get it. It's frustration. You want to like Warframe. But being burnt out on a game like this just means you need something else. Maybe you'll never come back to WF, maybe some time later you'll change how you feel about it and be able to enjoy it again. Both are ok.

what im "burnt out" on is reskins of major updates, three of them with the fourth on the way

if they released the new war already - i'd be absolutely stoked and look over any sins the update would had, see. i dont feel like they know what the community wants and needs, as i said.

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

Being MR 29 doesnt make your opinion magically better.

You sound like you're on a bitter rant, try to elaborate dude.

I assume you're upset about the MR standing conversions? Well say that then....

You've been grinding this long, but all of a sudden you don't like it? It's the same thing you have been doing....it will be on every game you go to.

If you look in feedback, you'd see the token system is actually better, but we're currently diving a little deeper and trying to refine it, namely the son token acquisition and acquiring some rarer items like the scintillas.

If you're obviously burnt out, try to take a deep breath and formulate a better opinion. This was really ranty and is hard to label proper feedback.

 

[RazerXPrime]

14 minutes ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

what im "burnt out" on is reskins of major updates, three of them with the fourth on the way

if they released the new war already - i'd be absolutely stoked and look over any sins the update would had, see. i dont feel like they know what the community wants and needs, as i said.

Oh I agree with you. I dislike the fact that they choose to go the same route as Fortuna/Cetus as well. It's such a waste of possibilities. You can tell they put a lot of time into this expansion. Regardless of how some people complain the world is amazing and the new content looks really good. It's just the way you play this content is only marginally different from other content. I think that's 100% a fair complaint. And I think DE should definitely listen to that. Of course this doesn't help you now.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

Has anyone called dibs on his stuff yet? If not dibs! 

[NekroArts]

38 minutes ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

what im "burnt out" on is reskins of major updates, three of them with the fourth on the way

if they released the new war already - i'd be absolutely stoked and look over any sins the update would had, see. i dont feel like they know what the community wants and needs, as i said.

Because it's always going to be a battle between DE's interest and the community's. The problem with our community is that it's an amalgamation of different players that some don't know how to stay in their own lanes or in any of the lanes. DE's decision to make HoD similar to PoE and Fortuna is within their rights, it's on us whether we bite it or not; suggestions to make the content better is welcome, but don't ever expect them to completely change the formula - conservation, fishing, mining, etc.

Destiny 2's open worlds are the same thing to each other. New players won't notice it at first until they clear out most of the content each planet has. Mar's Escalation Protocol, Dreaming City's Blind Well, and the Moon's Altars of Sorrow are the same thing with a slightly different approach. The Moon's Nightmare Hunts behaves similar to Nghtfall Strikes. All Lost Sectors (except for one on the Moon afaik) have no mechanics and players can just bee line to the boss.

This isn't to say that Warframe is better than D2 or vice versa, it's a matter of choose the developer whose content design works for you.

[Miyabi-sama]

From my perspective, as a dude who's fresh from hiatus, I see all same old same.

Gonna farm the F out of that island and stop bothering myself with it aside of rare occasions when I have to go there for riven/nightrant "challenges".

It is a pity that DE wastes so much time on a pretty landscapes for people to dive there for a couple of weeks for straight grinding, get fed of it and rarely come back. Instead of making core gameplay improvements.

[Marcuspolomintus]

While I can sympathize, if you didn't think that Deimos WASN'T going to be a grind, then even at MR29 you're not getting MMO's. THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE GRIND or of course, if you BUY platinum to bypass most of it. That's the way it works in MMO's. That's the way it ALWAYS works in MMO's. Whether it's WoW, Age of Conan, Guild Wars...whatever, you're going to have to grind, grind, grind (or buy, buy, buy 😏).

[RazerXPrime]

6 minutes ago, Marcuspolomintus said:

While I can sympathize, if you didn't think that Deimos WASN'T going to be a grind, then even at MR29 you're not getting MMO's. THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE GRIND or of course, if you BUY platinum to bypass most of it. That's the way it works in MMO's. That's the way it ALWAYS works in MMO's. Whether it's WoW, Age of Conan, Guild Wars...whatever, you're going to have to grind, grind, grind (or buy, buy, buy 😏).

I do think that Guild Wars has systems in place such as other MMO's that may benefit Warframe. If they can implement a world that is a bit more active and alive while doing the grind it wouldn't be so bad. I mean they crafted this beaufiful world, but no incentive to stay and play in it. Think outside the box, there's so much you can do with this world. The complaint isn't the grind, the complaint is it's too much of what we already had before.

[Kefirno]

3 hours ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

because it feels like DE has absolutely no taste for what the community even wants anymore. remember when we had actual quests, with actual story that actually affects you personally?

I, an MR29, can't care less about quests and consider them all except Second Dream utter trash and waste of DE's resources.

[thelasttand]

Il y a 3 heures, WarmongerExtraordinare a dit :

im diving into destiny 2.

i did when the lich system came out.
i stayed 1 week and a half before uninstalling it.

 

you should check other looter shooter. there is a ton coming out this year and next year. (borderland 2 is a great alternative for a break especially with its dlc.)

[(PSN)SilverwindNarga]

Forcing players to hunt and having a piss poor token economy revolve around it has ruined this update for me.

[Mr.Holyroller]

6 hours ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

because it feels like DE has absolutely no taste for what the community even wants anymore. remember when we had actual quests, with actual story that actually affects you personally? those were the bomb. but now, in a futile attempt to "provide content" they adapted this so-called "open world" scheme. a big, glorified map, with nothing to do but grind for the sake of grind, getting increasingly enraging from one to another.

Sure, POE was somewhat new, experimental, interesting, but then they had to do the VERY same thing for the second time, just a shallow god-damn reskin of the first thing, with a couple of boss-fights. "here's a batch of 10+ new resources, your veteran status means nothing, have fun!" "hey, here's fortuna, you know the drill!" "hey tenno, Heart of Deimos, dude, a third open world!".

At this point i dont even have any warm feelings towards the game, "they announced the third chapter of the mindless grindfest, FML". now with deimos it turns out the duviri will be THE FOURTH INSTALLMENT and its always the very very very same thing. a load of new materials, some barely-even-new system, 10+ items to get for mastery and never come back to.and to make things even worse - the progression of deimos is times slower than fortuna where you could just conserve or mine.

im diving into destiny 2.

im Mr29 too.
its kinda funny that you've made it this far and still dont understand that this is just how the game is. just wait till they fix everything that sucks and come back to it later. thats what i do. on and off every few weeks/months

[(PSN)Stealth_Cobra]

7 hours ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

I'm diving into destiny 2.

... The game that's removing 80% of it's existing content and rendering every single item you ever earned useless ? Enjoy your time !

[kwlingo]

7 hours ago, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

im diving into destiny 2.

Well good luck on the grind in D2. If games don't have a grind then, they will probably die. Especially if they are not competitive gaming like Warframe or D2. Also, Id be careful with D2, they like to sweep under the toes of their followers and sell expansions for real $$$.

[Hardwood]

The biggest player boost they ever got was the PoE reveal trailer and they are desperately chasing that again by releasing the same trash nobody who actually sticks with the game wants while never getting those numbers again.

It is getting embarrassing.

[ShimmerDoll]

On 2020-08-26 at 5:52 AM, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

because it feels like DE has absolutely no taste for what the community even wants anymore. remember when we had actual quests, with actual story that actually affects you personally? those were the bomb. but now, in a futile attempt to "provide content" they adapted this so-called "open world" scheme. a big, glorified map, with nothing to do but grind for the sake of grind, getting increasingly enraging from one to another.

Sure, POE was somewhat new, experimental, interesting, but then they had to do the VERY same thing for the second time, just a shallow god-damn reskin of the first thing, with a couple of boss-fights. "here's a batch of 10+ new resources, your veteran status means nothing, have fun!" "hey, here's fortuna, you know the drill!" "hey tenno, Heart of Deimos, dude, a third open world!".

At this point i dont even have any warm feelings towards the game, "they announced the third chapter of the mindless grindfest, FML". now with deimos it turns out the duviri will be THE FOURTH INSTALLMENT and its always the very very very same thing. a load of new materials, some barely-even-new system, 10+ items to get for mastery and never come back to.and to make things even worse - the progression of deimos is times slower than fortuna where you could just conserve or mine.

im diving into destiny 2.

I'm having the same issue as you. I'm MR25 i think but I was a founder of this game, played since the very beginning. I'm also a solo player. I just wanted the mech, seems not something I can do solo (terrible af connection) but the content isn't fun either and they reward groups where one person carries everyone else over someone who is intensely engaged solo trying hard to make progress happen. The last few nights I spent 7-8 hours each farming animals, trying to do vault stuff solo and dying a lot while all my other friends were playing other games and having fun. Logging into Warframe these days feels like going off to work. I loved the initial concept of this game and they've done some good things over the years with it but these grinds, copy paste feel of content and not solo friendly stuff (at least for me) is just not holding me and it's kind of heartbreaking. If we had been able to buy the mech outright to make the whole experience on the planet different maybe I'd enjoy it. Right now I'm putting in a 7 to 8 hour job to grind to unlock reputation, get that mech and not enjoying any of it.. I never finished railjack or steelpath for the same reasons or even the little duck rep. I just can't do some of it and it's also not fun to want to do to begin with.

 

To the guy defending grinds somewhere in this thread, some grinds are okay to an extent but they shouldn't feel more like a job than my actual real job. Plus grinds aren't for everyone.   A lot of top games I play have no grind at all and are just about skill and not fighting bullet sponge enemies that punish solo players.

[Chaemyerelis]

I wanted to like destiny 2 but DAMN their female characters look fuuuuuuuuugly! Like were they eve trying? I don't care if i have a helmet on 99% of the time. I want my character to look pretty damnit! 

[EinTheDoge]

On 2020-08-26 at 4:10 AM, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

it is gold compared to current day warframe. every weapon, every exotic and every mod actually matter and allow for an ACTUAL variety of builds, instead of "press button kill room". not to mention that the game takes skill and coordination with the group from the community to achieve things. but lemme guess, you're trying to be all ironic and quirky huh

hahahahahaha.... hahahaha... ha... ha...

You think the meta-game is bad in warframe? D2 takes it to a whole 'nother level (they also are taking content out of the game soon since their devs are clueless monkeys who can't manage storage space worth a damn). You need specific guns/mods to do damn near every activity, there is absolutely no room for creativity.

I came to warframe from D2, and trust me, Warframe is more interesting despite the copy/paste that Deimos is. The main issue with WF right now is the devs have fallen out of love with the game and just want our money. They don't playtest beyond preview streams, and I seriously doubt any of the devs (save for bootlicking newbies) play the game for fun. If they had playtested this update the majority of issues we're complaining about wouldn't exist.

 

[selig_fay]

On 8/26/2020 at 1:52 PM, WarmongerExtraordinare said:

im diving into destiny 2.

Destiny doesn't have a good quest system. At best, you will go through the main story and this is where your practice quest ends and you begin to wait.

If you're only interested in quests, buy teso or guild wars.

But destiny is good as a co-op game, which is not in the warframe, because we take into account the rights of solo players ...