Please reduce the extreme GrandMother grind.

[MizzieD]

As it currently stands, you need 20 grandmother tokens for ONE new weapon, that might sound valid and fine, but when you look at how much it sometimes requires, it means you would have to spend 10-20 son tokens, anywhere from 0-200 father, otak and daughter tokens for ONE weapon, it's incredibly insane when you look into how much grind that you need to complete just to get the tokens alone.

Just for five weapons you'd need 100 grandmother tokens alone, and if you want the captura scenes? that's another 300 tokens, totalling in 400 grandmother tokens, totalling in anywhere from 1000 (if you're lucky as a sheep crossing the road during rush hour.) to well over 4 000 different assortments of tokens. that is an INSANE grind piled ontop of the ludicrous amounts of multitasking already asked from you with having to get all the necromech parts and standing.

I really just.. Have no idea if this was even balanced for one second, but seeing all the obvious blunders such as messing up the RANK 0 requirements, the Fass Residue being incorrect for crafting the new pets, fishes exploding/ having RNG on their parts when cut, it just really feels like a gut punch, honestly.

[RazerXPrime]

You make this complaint 24 hours after the release of this new content. Good one. I mean you obviously have put a lot of time in it already and are ready to give up.

[-Kittens-]

2 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

You make this complaint 24 hours after the release of this new content. Good one. I mean you obviously have put a lot of time in it already and are ready to give up.

This game is seven years old. No excuse.

[DeMonkey]

7 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

You make this complaint 24 hours after the release of this new content. Good one. I mean you obviously have put a lot of time in it already and are ready to give up.

Staring at something longer doesn't change the numbers.

That would be madness.

[RazerXPrime]

Yea must be annoying something takes more time than expected.

[MizzieD]

4 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

You make this complaint 24 hours after the release of this new content. Good one. I mean you obviously have put a lot of time in it already and are ready to give up.

I'm not the only one, and this complaint, gets noticed with EVERY major DLC where they much later tweak values that should have been tweaked prior to release by testers because we already know this WILL get adjusted. I'm just trying to bring light to the inadequacy that isn't only being openly shown, but openly repeated as if they don't learn or care.

[RazerXPrime]

3 minutes ago, MizzieD said:

I'm not the only one, and this complaint, gets noticed with EVERY major DLC where they much later tweak values that should have been tweaked prior to release by testers because we already know this WILL get adjusted. I'm just trying to bring light to the inadequacy that isn't only being openly shown, but openly repeated as if they don't learn or care.

Or, you know, they can change it one year later so that people that bought everything before can complain about it twice. Like with the Dog Days event. I think farming for Baro is a lot more work and I don't see people complain about that either. I mean you can easily make 20 GM tokens per day and not even put that many hours into it. I don't really see the issue. Gaining tokens is pretty straightforward. but people want to have everything right now. I see so many complaints about how much work something is. I mean really? This feels so much like the guy I was working with, he was like a 26 year old kid and he was so upset he couldn't drive a 200K car. Some people aren't even living on this planet. They're in some sort of dream world where they think everything is handed to them on a silver platter.

[Steel_Rook]

5 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

I think farming for Baro is a lot more work and I don't see people complain about that either.

You think wrong. Farming for Baro is not in the slightest "more work." You can open any relic in any fissure and make decent progress towards Baro. I barely ever run Void Fissures and yet I still had plenty of Ducats to grab Baro's weapons every time he showed up. Your argument is disingenuous - I'm just not sure whether accidentally or deliberately so.

[MizzieD]

2 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

Or, you know, they can change it one year later so that people that bought everything before can complain about it twice. Like with the Dog Days event. I think farming for Baro is a lot more work and I don't see people complain about that either. I mean you can easily make 20 GM tokens per day and not even put that many hours into it. I don't really see the issue. Gaining tokens is pretty straightforward. but people want to have everything right now. I see so many complaints about how much work something is. I mean really? This feels so much like the guy I was working with, he was like a 26 year old kid and he was so upset he couldn't drive a 200K car. Some people aren't even living on this planet. They're in some sort of dream world where they think everything is handed to them on a silver platter.

Yeah but you're getting yourself extremely mixed up. Reality =/= game world. People don't want to sit and do a mindless activity in a game that is all about fighting and shooting and making strong or different builds. pretty much everyone feels like the forcepush into conservation and grinding the entire mining/fishing/hunting is just pushing you away from what the DLC was supposed to be about, you know, mechs, new orokin weaponry.

I'm not complaining about the grind itself, my guy, i'm MR28 and i've been with this game since 2014, but rather, like you just openly admitted, they overpush it way too hard only to get negative feedback about it and instead of adjusting values quickly, they let it sit on the burner like an old can of beans that nobody really wants to throw out.

and look at the GM tokens, just as an example, and compare it to the rank up requirements. you need more for one singular gun, than you do for the first 3 ranks in the new standing alone, you even need more tokens than you do in order to reach 1 in the secondary standing and 3 in the first. it's just really unbalanced for what it's worth.

[MizzieD]

1 minute ago, Steel_Rook said:

You think wrong. Farming for Baro is not in the slightest "more work." You can open any relic in any fissure and make decent progress towards Baro. I barely ever run Void Fissures and yet I still had plenty of Ducats to grab Baro's weapons every time he showed up. Your argument is disingenuous - I'm just not sure whether accidentally or deliberately so.

Agreed, if you do void relics whenever exterminate or capture is on, you can EASILY get 1 relic opened per 2 minutes, and that's not pushing it much.

And you can make the grind even shorter by using the WF market website and comparing plat prices to ducats worth, then sell pieces that are worth little ducats only to buy stuff that is worth 2-3x the amount of ducats with the plat you just traded. there's so many ways to shortcut and efficiently cut down on the grind that it's almost non-existant if you compare if to the new faction tribulations.

[RazerXPrime]

3 minutes ago, Steel_Rook said:

You think wrong. Farming for Baro is not in the slightest "more work." You can open any relic in any fissure and make decent progress towards Baro. I barely ever run Void Fissures and yet I still had plenty of Ducats to grab Baro's weapons every time he showed up. Your argument is disingenuous - I'm just not sure whether accidentally or deliberately so.

How long did it take for you to buy everything Baro had to offer?

2 minutes ago, MizzieD said:

Yeah but you're getting yourself extremely mixed up. Reality =/= game world. People don't want to sit and do a mindless activity in a game that is all about fighting and shooting and making strong or different builds. pretty much everyone feels like the forcepush into conservation and grinding the entire mining/fishing/hunting is just pushing you away from what the DLC was supposed to be about, you know, mechs, new orokin weaponry.

I'm not complaining about the grind itself, my guy, i'm MR28 and i've been with this game since 2014, but rather, like you just openly admitted, they overpush it way too hard only to get negative feedback about it and instead of adjusting values quickly, they let it sit on the burner like an old can of beans that nobody really wants to throw out.

and look at the GM tokens, just as an example, and compare it to the rank up requirements. you need more for one singular gun, than you do for the first 3 ranks in the new standing alone, you even need more tokens than you do in order to reach 1 in the secondary standing and 3 in the first. it's just really unbalanced for what it's worth.

Hm, I do get the point. Don't get me wrong, but I feel people are going about this the wrong way. The preservation complaint is made already and I get not everyone enjoys it. I don't like it either unless I can get the free roam ones. Then it's actually a nice change of pace. But people feel this way only because they want to clear this stuff quickly. What's the issue in doing a little bit of conservation every once in a while. You'll get it eventually and yea it may take longer than what some other people do, but how is that an issue?

I mean, I haven't even ranked up this syndicate once. I'm just running around doing stuff and seeing how everything works. I'm in no way forced to do anything because I don't let myself. Sure, I capture animals when I see them and yea It may take me a longer time than you to unluck stuff, but at least I don't bash my head on the table doing so.

[DeMonkey]

3 minutes ago, Steel_Rook said:

Your argument is disingenuous - I'm just not sure whether accidentally or deliberately so.

Not sure it's possible to be accidentally disingenuous. I believe intent is implied by the term.

Completely off topic, I know. Was just browsing and it caught my eye.

[Steel_Rook]

4 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

How long did it take for you to buy everything Baro had to offer?

OK, so deliberately disingenuous, then. Got it. You know that Baro is heavily time-gated so any answer I can give you is going to be on the order of "months," not because it took me months of grind but simply because that's how long it takes for his inventory to fully rotate. To try and answer the heart of the issue, however - about a couple of hours of running Void Fissures per week in order to buy all of his weapons and mods - anything that's not purely cosmetic. Back when I first started, this also included a few Index runs to earn the credits needed for the items, as well. Essentially, I could comfortably buy everything Baro has the day he shows up even if I had next to no Ducats or Credits.

I've now spent more time doing Conservation than it would take me to buy earn the Ducats and Credits needed to buy Baro's full weekly inventory and I've not been able to buy a single Son Token. The Deimos Grind is SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Baro and you know this.

 

9 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

Not sure it's possible to be accidentally disingenuous. I believe intent is implied by the term. Completely off topic, I know. Was just browsing and it caught my eye.

Fair point. I meant to give that person the benefit of a doubt, that they said something which sounded disingenuous, but in their mind was genuine and they just didn't know better. It's pretty clear now that this person knew better and was indeed disingenuous. Oh, well. But point taken regardless.

[MizzieD]

2 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

How long did it take for you to buy everything Baro had to offer?

Hm, I do get the point. Don't get me wrong, but I feel people are going about this the wrong way. The preservation complaint is made already and I get not everyone enjoys it. I don't like it either unless I can get the free roam ones. Then it's actually a nice change of pace. But people feel this way only because they want to clear this stuff quickly. What's the issue in doing a little bit of conservation every once in a while. You'll get it eventually and yea it may take longer than what some other people do, but how is that an issue?

I mean, I haven't even ranked up this syndicate once. I'm just running around doing stuff and seeing how everything works. I'm in no way forced to do anything because I don't let myself. Sure, I capture animals when I see them and yea It may take me a longer time than you to unluck stuff, but at least I don't bash my head on the table doing so.

It's not just about time investment, but it's the way that this new DLC is just random in the mining, it's random in the conservation, it's random in the fishing (this pertaining to the fact that the amount/variation of fish parts you got from each fish being completely RANDOM before it was hotfixed out, is an unacepptable and so blatantly obvious unasked, unwanted feature but was still added to ''test the waters.'' I know, bad pun.), and it's lastly random in the GM tokens/tokens in general offering sometimes a son token for 2 tags and at times offering one son token for 8 tags. it just skews and warps the amount of time that you think you need to put in and in most cases pushes it to the point where people get burnt out, annoyed and frustrated when they can't make effective use of their time.

Don't get me wrong, the mother tokens themselves, letting you preserve and keep standing to cash in whenever you don't have actual time to play but still want standing, is a great idea, because then you can plan and use your time effectively. but the rest of the tokens just felt way too much and overburdened you with constantly running to them each time to go ''good deal? good deal?''

This entire DLC just smells fishy to the point where it's reminding me of why I quit playing Destiny 2 because of how horribly predatory it started getting towards the players.

[RazerXPrime]

3 minutes ago, Steel_Rook said:

OK, so deliberately disingenuous, then. Got it. You know that Baro is heavily time-gated so any answer I can give you is going to be on the order of "months," not because it took me months of grind but simply because that's how long it takes for his inventory to fully rotate. To try and answer the heart of the issue, however - about a couple of hours of running Void Fissures per week in order to buy all of his weapons and mods - anything that's not purely cosmetic. Back when I first started, this also included a few Index runs to earn the credits needed for the items, as well. Essentially, I could comfortably buy everything Baro has the day he shows up even if I had next to no Ducats or Credits.

I've now spent more time doing Conservation than it would take me to buy earn the Ducats and Credits needed to buy Baro's full weekly inventory and I've not been able to buy a single Son Token. The Deimos Grind is SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Baro and you know this.

I dunno, I just did some bounties and captured a handful of animals on the way and got 2 Son tokens. I wasn't even trying. the only downside I see is the random nature of the tokens. Other than that this is the same as Fortuna and Cetus. 

Didn't they hotfix the requirements for rank up? It should be at the same level as Fortuna and Cetus. If it's more work and more tedius then you have a point.

 

[Rogunz]

24 minutes ago, RazerXPrime said:

I dunno, I just did some bounties and captured a handful of animals on the way and got 2 Son tokens. I wasn't even trying. the only downside I see is the random nature of the tokens. Other than that this is the same as Fortuna and Cetus. 

Didn't they hotfix the requirements for rank up? It should be at the same level as Fortuna and Cetus. If it's more work and more tedius then you have a point.

It's nowhere near Fortuna and Cetus.

 

The absolute best deal you will get is 1 animal:1 son token. That means the rarest creature on deimos is only worth 500 standing, or 750 if you wait around until you can convert it to grandmother tokens. A common pobber/kuaka gives 400, and they show up in packs of 3. You don't even get floofs since you have to trade tags for tokens instead.

Fishing and mining aren't that ridiculously bad but they still give significantly less standing then they did for Fortuna or Cetus since you need multiple fish/gems per 100 standing token.

[RazerXPrime]

 

10 minutes ago, Rogunz said:

It's nowhere near Fortuna and Cetus.

 

The absolute best deal you will get is 1 animal:1 son token. That means the rarest creature on deimos is only worth 500 standing, or 750 if you wait around until you can convert it to grandmother tokens. A common pobber/kuaka gives 400, and they show up in packs of 3. You don't even get floofs since you have to trade tags for tokens instead.

Fishing and mining aren't that ridiculously bad but they still give significantly less standing then they did for Fortuna or Cetus since you need multiple fish/gems per 100 standing token.

This would only be an issue if you needed to turn in these tokens for standing. You don't. There's other ways to raise standing and keep the conservation to a minimum.

[Steel_Rook]

21 minutes ago, Rogunz said:

The absolute best deal you will get is 1 animal:1 son token. That means the rarest creature on deimos is only worth 500 standing, or 750 if you wait around until you can convert it to grandmother tokens. A common pobber/kuaka gives 400, and they show up in packs of 3. You don't even get floofs since you have to trade tags for tokens instead.

That's a lot better than the conversion rate I've been getting. Most of the tokens he's offering me are 4+ animals (2 of 2 types each), usually featuring animals that I simply don't have tags for. I suppose if I do enough Conservation that I have 10+ of all 15 animal types then getting his tokens won't be a problem, but that's over 100 captures. And I say 10, because plenty of the tokens Son offers require 7-8 of a particular animal.

Honestly, I feel DE need to bite the bullet and count every animal only once. That might cut down on the grind a little.