Idea for the new bosses: demonic ritual with pentagram

[Grayfox1990]

I love the demonic environment of the cambion drift.

Now I have this demonic idea... What if we needed to activate pillars as they form a giant pentagram and do a demonic evil ritual to start fighting with the new bosses?

[ZarTham]

WF has bosses?

[(NSW)Gamma83]

Pretty much like summoning diablo in diablo 2 act 4.

takes me back.

[Grayfox1990]

I hope DE reads this. Maybe we can adress this to them?

[Althaline]

Cambion Drift isn't really demon-related at all though, and I'm not particularly comfortable with demonic rituals even when they are thematically appropriate.

[mrpyro12345678]

Use the combination of Requiem to summon bosses, while both the worms hide in terror.
That would be very epic not gonna lie.

[Steel_Rook]

On 2020-08-27 at 3:38 PM, Grayfox1990 said:

I love the demonic environment of the cambion drift.

The Cambion Drift environment is not demonic. It's Infested, as in diseased and covered in biological growths. Near as I can tell, Warframe entirely lacks any Judaeo-Christian imagery or themes. Actual demons and pentagrams would be drastically out of place. The game does have religions, but they're all fantastical and entirely their own thing, and also usually not backed up by actual magic.

[Althaline]

9 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

Near as I can tell, Warframe entirely lacks any Judaeo-Christian imagery or themes.

Not entirely true. We get a Christ-like figure in Chains of Harrow, but that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head. In any case, the Tenno are the only demons in WF (and that's a different meaning of the word "demon" altogether).

[IamLoco]

On 2020-08-27 at 2:38 PM, Grayfox1990 said:

I love the demonic environment of the cambion drift.

Now I have this demonic idea... What if we needed to activate pillars as they form a giant pentagram and do a demonic evil ritual to start fighting with the new bosses?

No, just NO.

This has nothing to do with the Warframe lore and occultism / satanism also doesn´t fit a tiny bit into Deimos, which is not "demonic" but infested.

[Teridax68]

13 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

The Cambion Drift environment is not demonic. It's Infested, as in diseased and covered in biological growths. Near as I can tell, Warframe entirely lacks any Judaeo-Christian imagery or themes. Actual demons and pentagrams would be drastically out of place. The game does have religions, but they're all fantastical and entirely their own thing, and also usually not backed up by actual magic.

I agree with this, though I think the spirit of the request still could have some validity. A straight-up demonic ritual would make no sense within the universe of Warframe, but something like, say, summoning the Man in the Wall using the arcane Void knowledge of the Entrati would absolutely fit, including in Deimos.

[Steel_Rook]

5 hours ago, Iamabearlulz said:

Not entirely true. We get a Christ-like figure in Chains of Harrow, but that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head. In any case, the Tenno are the only demons in WF (and that's a different meaning of the word "demon" altogether).

That's a bit of a loose interpretation, though. Harrow is not really a prophet or worshipped as a god. It's closer to Superman being called "a Christ figure" for various narrative and visual design themes. Extrapolating satanism by means of pentagrams is quite a leap. With that said...

 

39 minutes ago, Teridax68 said:

I agree with this, though I think the spirit of the request still could have some validity. A straight-up demonic ritual would make no sense within the universe of Warframe, but something like, say, summoning the Man in the Wall using the arcane Void knowledge of the Entrati would absolutely fit, including in Deimos.

Yup, sure - no argument there. I'm not really opposed to the idea of spawning a world boss via use of Entrati knowledge. It makes sense, given they appear to have discovered the Void and pioneered travel to it. I'm personally not sure what DE want to do with The Man in the Wall and I'd be hesitant to have us just fight it, though. It's a bit like Lost, in that I suspect that the mystique of not knowing can't really be matched by whatever explanation they end up coming up with. That's besides the point, however.

[Teridax68]

4 minutes ago, Steel_Rook said:

Yup, sure - no argument there. I'm not really opposed to the idea of spawning a world boss via use of Entrati knowledge. It makes sense, given they appear to have discovered the Void and pioneered travel to it. I'm personally not sure what DE want to do with The Man in the Wall and I'd be hesitant to have us just fight it, though. It's a bit like Lost, in that I suspect that the mystique of not knowing can't really be matched by whatever explanation they end up coming up with. That's besides the point, however.

Spoilers ahead, but it wouldn't be our first time -- we already fought him in the Chains of Harrow quest, and given his mystical nature he seems like the kind of entity that could spawn over and over again without defeat ever really getting in his way. He also has many forms, so we could fight him in a variety of configurations without truly understanding who or what he is.

[Grayfox1990]

On 2020-09-24 at 12:19 AM, Steel_Rook said:

The Cambion Drift environment is not demonic. It's Infested, as in diseased and covered in biological growths. Near as I can tell, Warframe entirely lacks any Judaeo-Christian imagery or themes. Actual demons and pentagrams would be drastically out of place. The game does have religions, but they're all fantastical and entirely their own thing, and also usually not backed up by actual magic.

On 2020-09-24 at 1:51 PM, Teridax68 said:

I agree with this, though I think the spirit of the request still could have some validity. A straight-up demonic ritual would make no sense within the universe of Warframe, but something like, say, summoning the Man in the Wall using the arcane Void knowledge of the Entrati would absolutely fit, including in Deimos.

Turn it upside down if you like, but I still find it very much all demonic. The man in the wall as well. Let me put it this way, I compare the environment offen with the movie Alien. Now Alien is also a bit demonic since these are creatures walking around that possess humans. Hell there's even an enemy in the cambion drift that looks just like the Alien things flying on your head....

Btw, I love horror and demons. I would so love to have this in Warframe.

[Steel_Rook]

4 hours ago, Grayfox1990 said:

Turn it upside down if you like, but I still find it very much all demonic. The man in the wall as well. Let me put it this way, I compare the environment offen with the movie Alien. Now Alien is also a bit demonic since these are creatures walking around that possess humans. Hell there's even an enemy in the cambion drift that looks just like the Alien things flying on your head....

Nothing about "Aliens" is demonic, either. It's horror, yes, but not "demonic" horror. There's no mention of religion anywhere, other than I think one guy in Alien 3 might have been religious? Even ignoring Prometheus and Covenant, it's pretty clear that the titular Aliens are natural life forms, not supernatural demons. Even if you're talking just thematically, that still doesn't track. The original Xenomorph was borrowed from the art of H.R. Giger. Now Giger's designs are definitely "weird," but they're closer to biomechanical than religiously demonic.

In fact, Aliens is a good example here. What you're proposing is the equivalent of Wayland-Yutani summoning Xenomorphs out of a Pentagram by chanting Judaeo-Christian (or at least similar-sounding incantations). I trust it's obvious why something like that would be drastically out-of-place in an Aliens movie, or even an Aliens vs. Predator movie. Equating "monsters" with "demons" is not a good idea, especially when you're invoking loaded religious imagery in association.

[AriaSTG]

DE could make one but with a condition;

can be only damaged by a Tigris.

*BFG Division intensifies*

[Grayfox1990]

On 2020-09-27 at 4:14 AM, Steel_Rook said:

Nothing about "Aliens" is demonic, either. It's horror, yes, but not "demonic" horror. There's no mention of religion anywhere, other than I think one guy in Alien 3 might have been religious? Even ignoring Prometheus and Covenant, it's pretty clear that the titular Aliens are natural life forms, not supernatural demons. Even if you're talking just thematically, that still doesn't track. The original Xenomorph was borrowed from the art of H.R. Giger. Now Giger's designs are definitely "weird," but they're closer to biomechanical than religiously demonic.

In fact, Aliens is a good example here. What you're proposing is the equivalent of Wayland-Yutani summoning Xenomorphs out of a Pentagram by chanting Judaeo-Christian (or at least similar-sounding incantations). I trust it's obvious why something like that would be drastically out-of-place in an Aliens movie, or even an Aliens vs. Predator movie. Equating "monsters" with "demons" is not a good idea, especially when you're invoking loaded religious imagery in association.

Sorry for the late answer but you're right. It doesn't add up indeed. Never thought of it this way. Thnx for sharing this.

[Sojufueled]

On 2020-09-24 at 7:19 AM, Steel_Rook said:

The Cambion Drift environment is not demonic. It's Infested, as in diseased and covered in biological growths. Near as I can tell, Warframe entirely lacks any Judaeo-Christian imagery or themes. Actual demons and pentagrams would be drastically out of place. The game does have religions, but they're all fantastical and entirely their own thing, and also usually not backed up by actual magic.

I think the pentagram idea is a bit much, but it is worth noting that demons are a kind of on theme on Deimos (bearing in mind that most demons in Christian mythology are just deities of neighboring civilizations) First it's right there in the name, the Cambion Drift. Next you have some of the resources in Deimos: Dagonic (Dagon), Tiametrite (Tiamat), Thaumica (Thaumas), Bapholite (Baphomet), and Adramalium (Adrammelech). The others probably have similar mythological origins. So the OP isn't terribly far off.

[LuckyCharm]

Pentagrams also arent really purely satanic. They symbolise all the elements working together harmoniously

[Pizzarugi]

Demons and pentagrams would not match the theme of the game.

Now, if you were to replace the pentagram with some arcane Orokin etchings and create Void fissures with it, that'll be different.