(PSN)Raven-Ghosthawk Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Maybe it's just the way I think that's the problem, but this has been bugging me for a bit. The Euphona's primary is a semi slug, the alt is a bolt-action buckshot. What I'm having trouble with is that Euphona Prime would make sense with either of the following arrangements: semi buckshot primary fire with bolt-action slug alt-fire [TRIGGER] to concentrate damage for the alt bolt-action slug primary fire with semi buckshot alt-fire [MODE] So I'm curious as to what gives with the current arrangement's trigger logic? (Wiki lays out the what, but doesn't explain the why.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethorin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I don't understand the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Raven-Ghosthawk Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 My question is that either of the two arrangements I mentioned make more sense. The way the alt functions in the current arrangement perplexes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethorin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 ...As far as I can tell the distinction between all three is arbitrary, I don't see how your offerings "make more sense" than the current arrangement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrmius_Prime Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 You need to ask the person who designed the weapon 3 and a half years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Raven-Ghosthawk Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ethorin said: ...As far as I can tell the distinction between all three is arbitrary, I don't see how your offerings "make more sense" than the current arrangement... Effectively, what the two examples are are basically Tenora logic versus Tiberon Prime logic. And like I said, maybe the issue is the way I process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethorin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, (PS4)Raven-Ghosthawk said: Tenora logic versus Tiberon Prime logic. How the heck do you make two alt fires on the same button? Make them modes! Also, Tiberon Prime swaps between methods of function, a full auto weapon having a semi auto alt-fire Trigger kiiiind of makes sense, but I don't really get why you'd bother if you aren't changing up how the main trigger works at all. I really dislike how the Zarr works with it's alt-fire for instance, I basically never want to STAY with the buckshot, but it can be useful when someone gets close enough that the explosion would hit me. Euphona P, back when pellets needed 100% status to work well actually needed you to change up your build if you wanted to use the alt-fire usefully but even then it was straight up just a worse Tigris P, now you can just use a standard hybrid build and it's fine so I'm really not sure why you'd be worried about the logic NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Raven-Ghosthawk Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, (PS4)Raven-Ghosthawk said: either of the following arrangements: semi buckshot primary fire with bolt-action slug alt-fire [TRIGGER] to concentrate damage for the alt bolt-action slug primary fire with semi buckshot alt-fire [MODE] 38 minutes ago, (PS4)Raven-Ghosthawk said: Tenora logic versus Tiberon Prime logic What I meant was either of the arrangements instead of the current arrangement. Also, I just realized that when alt-fire is manually used, there's usually something drastic -- like magazine-dumping (Pandero), mode swaps (Zarr), charge>discharge (Tenora), disc ejection (Azima) -- to accompany it. This would make Euphona Prime a standalone case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethorin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Raven-Ghosthawk said: What I meant was either of the arrangements instead of the current arrangement. This part doesn't confuse me at all, I was just confused why you considered either of the alternates superior to the current. 3 minutes ago, (PS4)Raven-Ghosthawk said: mode swaps (Zarr), Zarr is bad mode swap, there is 0 reason to focus on the buckshot and the only reason to USE the buckshot is when an enemy gets close enough that the explosion would blast you and you either don't feel like or cannot use a melee to handle it. 4 minutes ago, (PS4)Raven-Ghosthawk said: So Euphona Prime has me puzzled because both functions are semi and none of the accompaniments are present. It's a massive swap in stat spread, it goes from Crit to Status and from one projectile to a whole bunch. It's subtler but still pretty drastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Raven-Ghosthawk Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ethorin said: It's subtler but still pretty drastic. No argument on subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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