(XBOX)DefyDex108 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On xbox senior year of high school I grinded this game so hard put over 1000 hours in less than a year, reached mastery rank 25. I started originally on PS4 but I didn't get into as much so im only MR 9, but I would like to just have my XB1 account on PS4, well on Sony in general so that on PS5 I can have it too. I still remember the devstream you guys mentioned it (best devstream ever I believe Steve was poking fun at anthem and said "change the name of warframes to javelins"), but 2 years later no cross save, can I at least have a prediction of when it will be available. I wanna play warframe again, but I don't wanna restart, and don't want to play on xbox anymore since I gave my sister my XB1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Oreades Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 The ultimate problem with Cross-save is that it isn't up to DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)DefyDex108 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Oreades said: The ultimate problem with Cross-save is that it isn't up to DE. Wdym, games like destiny 2 and fortnite have it, and there was no problems I heard they had with Microsoft or Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)deathwolfclaw666 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 From what I've seen the usual arguments against it besides "not many would use it" is that it's not up to DE, wouldn't work due to updates being delayed on console and platform holders wouldn't want to allow you to make RM transactions on a rival platform. How true that is and wheather or not they could work around it I don't know. You'd have to look at games that have done crosssave/crossplay to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus123 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 People really dont get it do they.Its not easy to do and would probably mess up a lot of things.Warframe on console and on pc are quite different with pc usually getting updates first not to mention the trading economy which is vastly different. This could open up a lot of possible exploits which in turn would have De lose money either from exploits or plat trading manipulations. They said they want to do it so wait for them to maybe figure something out and stop making threads about it every other day. Spamming the forums about how you and others want cross save is not going to make it happen any sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, (XB1)DefyDex108 said: Wdym, games like destiny 2 and fortnite have it, and there was no problems I heard they had with Microsoft or Sony. Two games that came from larger/mainstream development studios that started out of the gate with more clout than god. They can walk in and make demands because not having the game on (insert platform holder)'s platform puts that platform at a distinct competative disadvantage. Plus those games likely negotiated with every applicable platform at the same time established their standard and then subsequent platforms fell in line again because clout. Warframe, significantly less clout plus they piecemealed their platform launches, so it's all renegotiation. Likely at disadvantage. And that's just with the platforms..... now let's talk about Tennogen~ because on PC the tennogen creaters retain ownership of their creations and get a cut of current sales. On consoles DE buys the creators out for a fixed onetime payment. Which means on consoles DE owns that content..... now cross save gets extra messy because what do you do with that hot mess? I mean there are dozens of creators...... It only takes one of them to take issue with a transfer/universal save that includes their content from another platform and file a lawsuit. As someone else pointed out there is also the in game economy, at the very least I would assume plat would not be transferable. Which will be OK for some players while for others where as you have thousands of hours of gameplay, they might have thousands upon thousands of plat. It's also handled differently on each platform, EG PC has 75% off sales on the purchase of plat where consoles have 75% off on the purchase with plat. Yet another hot mess to deal with. Mechanically speaking cross-save isn't' super complicated. Even with out of sync warframe versions tho it would be significantly more strait forward if the versions where in lock step. Transferring forward no biggie, transferring backward, you'd just have to warn them that their progress into currently unreleased content would either be lost or possibly locked until that content was activated on the current platform. There are some definite hitches but nothing insurmountable. Contractually it's a small series of nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoshuee_DesK Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 hace 1 hora, (XB1)DefyDex108 dijo: Wdym, games like destiny 2 and fortnite have it, and there was no problems I heard they had with Microsoft or Sony. Are you really going to compare big companies with big budget like Bungie and Epic Games with DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ravenger-MRIB Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 A real good example of why it'll never happen is to look at what's going on with Epic Games and Apple over the whole fornite fiasco. Apple got a cut of the money made through was ever the hell that game uses as currency, but Epic deliberately went behind their back and offered it discounted through their site so they could bypass Apple entirely and keep 100% of the profit, or something of that nature. Apple not liking this, is now going hard after Epic over the whole ordeal. What does this have to do with Warframe? There's a reason why you can't use the 50% and 75% coupons to purchase Platinum at discounted prices on consoles like you can on PC. Sony, and i'm sure Microsoft and Nintendo as well, get a cut of all purchases made through their store, meaning there's no way in hell they'll allow anything to get between them and those pretty pennies. If you could cross save any time you wanted, to let's say "purchase discounted Plat in bulk to then transfer it over to a console", there would be literal Hell to pay for DE and I guess now Tencent. So sadly, cross play and save is simply just a pipe dream at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Sernar0987 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Gravitus123 said: People really dont get it do they.Its not easy to do and would probably mess up a lot of things.Warframe on console and on pc are quite different with pc usually getting updates first not to mention the trading economy which is vastly different. This could open up a lot of possible exploits which in turn would have De lose money either from exploits or plat trading manipulations. They said they want to do it so wait for them to maybe figure something out and stop making threads about it every other day. Spamming the forums about how you and others want cross save is not going to make it happen any sooner about the updates, we all got heart of Deimos at once, so there's that Plat?,really? ur forgetting that a cross save from pc to switch was available at one point, and when that happened no plat was transferred and everyone had the base 50 plat that cant be traded its not the same person spamming posts, if ur seeing posts about it every other day, doesn't that show just how many people want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)shadowraith_666 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, (XB1)RazorMuffin03 said: about the updates, we all got heart of Deimos at once, so there's that the only way DE managed to get HoD to all platforms simultaneously is by delaying the pc update until the cert process for the console versions has finished and the updates have been given the go-ahead from the platform holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)erix84 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Try being on Switch. Updates are usually later than everywhere else, there's like 10% as many players, nobody does Profit Taker, nobody does Railjack, nobody does Arbitrations. I can't even download the patch because the server is so jank it's going at 200 BYTES per second, so I can't even play, and don't know when I'll be able to because DE treats Switch like we don't exist. I'd #*!%ing pay to transfer back to PC at this point, Switch is dead unless you like grinding casual content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)deathwolfclaw666 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 hours ago, (PS4)Ravenger-MRIB said: A real good example of why it'll never happen is to look at what's going on with Epic Games and Apple over the whole fornite fiasco. Apple got a cut of the money made through was ever the hell that game uses as currency, but Epic deliberately went behind their back and offered it discounted through their site so they could bypass Apple entirely and keep 100% of the profit, or something of that nature. Apple not liking this, is now going hard after Epic over the whole ordeal. As far as I understand it Apple take 30% of in app purchases. Epic wanted more so asked to be excluded from the Apples fee. At one point fortnite was updated with the other payment option waiting to be activated. Once it was Apple banned the game for violating ToS. Epic then released a propaganda video about a minute later in an attempt to rally players against Apple followed by a number of lawsuits against Apple. It got to the point where Apple were going to ban Epics engine until they were temporarily stopped by the courts. TL,DR - don't make demands of a platform holder then have a hissy fit and try and screw they over when they don't give you what you want. 7 hours ago, (PS4)Ravenger-MRIB said: There's a reason why you can't use the 50% and 75% coupons to purchase Platinum at discounted prices on consoles like you can on PC. Sony, and i'm sure Microsoft and Nintendo as well, get a cut of all purchases made through their store, meaning there's no way in hell they'll allow anything to get between them and those pretty pennies. If you could cross save any time you wanted, to let's say "purchase discounted Plat in bulk to then transfer it over to a console", there would be literal Hell to pay for DE and I guess now Tencent. So sadly, cross play and save is simply just a pipe dream at this point. They could probably limit plat purchases to the platform in which your account was first played. So if I was playing on Switch and I wanted to buy some plat I would have to buy from the PSN store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus123 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 2020-08-27 at 4:29 PM, (XB1)RazorMuffin03 said: about the updates, we all got heart of Deimos at once, so there's that Plat?,really? ur forgetting that a cross save from pc to switch was available at one point, and when that happened no plat was transferred and everyone had the base 50 plat that cant be traded its not the same person spamming posts, if ur seeing posts about it every other day, doesn't that show just how many people want it A simultenous update from time to time doesnt really prove anything theyre obviously rare because it takes a ton of effort to launch them simultaneously Yes plat Warframe might be free to play but cut down on the plat sales and De wouldnt be able to produce content in the same manner or at the same speed.You do realise plat coupons and differences in market prices are a thing right not to mention stuff like tennogen which is cash only on pc but buyable with platinum on console.So a person stocks up on platinum on pc switches their account to ps4 buys the tennogen and then goes back to pc thats a lot of lost revenue.Pc players could also farm up or buy certain items that are cheap on pc and trade them for large amounts of easy platinum.Exploiting the market would be a major problem. The switch was a one time thing if people wanted legitimate crossave everyone would be angry about not being able to keep their platinum and it would probably start a huge uproar I meant in general crossave posts are popping up constantly we dont need more we already know its wanted by the community, De have said they want to try and do it so wait and see what happens.None of us are familiar with the technicalities so we have no idea how difficult(if even possible) it is to do crossave at this point.So just be patient and wait for a official response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Vorticity8466 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 DE we want crossplay pls 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Sernar0987 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 2020-08-30 at 3:41 PM, Gravitus123 said: Yes plat Warframe might be free to play but cut down on the plat sales and De wouldnt be able to produce content in the same manner or at the same speed.You do realise plat coupons and differences in market prices are a thing right not to mention stuff like tennogen which is cash only on pc but buyable with platinum on console.So a person stocks up on platinum on pc switches their account to ps4 buys the tennogen and then goes back to pc thats a lot of lost revenue.Pc players could also farm up or buy certain items that are cheap on pc and trade them for large amounts of easy platinum.Exploiting the market would be a major problem. so just make it one transfer per account and dont allow them to switch back. for example if i save my xbox account on pc and then play on pc, the changes that are made should stay on pc and not effect my xbox account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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