Token Economy Cycle

[rodzzila]

I don't mind the Token system, actually think is a good idea. But it needs a way to change family member tokens. I think a circle where you can use one family member token to buy the ones from the next member on the right with inflation is a good way to do it. (E.g: Use 20 Mother tokens to buy 10 Father tokens > Father buys Daughter tokens > Daughter buys Son tokens).

That way you can do it way faster if you do the specific member task but you can brute force it by just playing bounties if you want to.

 

[Castlekside]

This. 100% this. This would solve the forced progression issues for everyone not wanting to do Son and it would keep the flavor of having to reconnect the family together. 

"Oh look Mom, I got Son off your back for 12 whole hours! Give me a pat on the back pls"

[lukinu_u]

That's basically free token for everyone, when you see how easy mother token are obtains. Also, it completely remove the purpose of having different tokens because this system encourage to do different tasks, while what you're asking just remove that.

[fr4gb4ll]

16 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

That's basically free token for everyone, when you see how easy mother token are obtains. Also, it completely remove the purpose of having different tokens because this system encourage to do different tasks, while what you're asking just remove that.

just make the exchangerate high enough to not make it too easy. atm, the system is only good for a randomeness-frustration and if you don't have tons of animals captured, fish catched and gems mined, you have to wait for a long time to get to exchage this stuff for tokens... i'm sure that was what DE intended, but it's a pain in the arse even form one like me who doesn't have any issues with hunting, fishing and mining. true enough, doning the bounties gets you mother token quite easy and fast, so gaining standing is, for once, the least problem here - the daily cap limit though is ofc the same old... even for a mr29 it will probably takes a week or two with a lot of hours each day to get to the maximum, but that is ok in my book - though i do understand lower mr's frustration about this (but again, same old, same old).

the idea of exchanging tokens (maybe with some extra costs in resources and credits) is a better and easier way to ease the minds of all those who complains about the system and if done correct, if will still take everyone about the same play-time to go through the ranks but with activities they like.

[lukinu_u]

il y a 13 minutes, fr4gb4ll a dit :

just make the exchangerate high enough to not make it too easy. atm, the system is only good for a randomeness-frustration and if you don't have tons of animals captured, fish catched and gems mined, you have to wait for a long time to get to exchage this stuff for tokens... i'm sure that was what DE intended, but it's a pain in the arse even form one like me who doesn't have any issues with hunting, fishing and mining. true enough, doning the bounties gets you mother token quite easy and fast, so gaining standing is, for once, the least problem here - the daily cap limit though is ofc the same old... even for a mr29 it will probably takes a week or two with a lot of hours each day to get to the maximum, but that is ok in my book - though i do understand lower mr's frustration about this (but again, same old, same old).

the idea of exchanging tokens (maybe with some extra costs in resources and credits) is a better and easier way to ease the minds of all those who complains about the system and if done correct, if will still take everyone about the same play-time to go through the ranks but with activities they like.

Maybe I'm just SUPER lucky, but from my experience in multiple hours of gameplay, the whole thing is super reliable and just ask you to do the right thing, so I really feel like everyone who is complaining just haven't took the time to understand the sytem and just don't know how to do things the rigtht way.

 

il y a 22 minutes, fr4gb4ll a dit :

even for a mr29 it will probably takes a week or two with a lot of hours each day to get to the maximum, but that is ok in my book - though i do understand lower mr's frustration about this (but again, same old, same old).

About this point specifically, it's totally normal to lock MAX STANDING in a big expansion behind a bit of time to avoid players reaching it the first day. And for lower MR, its even less of a problem because the lower cap give them time to farm for more tokens in advance.

[Castlekside]

1 hour ago, lukinu_u said:

when you see how easy mother token are obtain

It would need to to have an exchange rate for sure. 5000 Mother tokens to 1 son token would not be unreasonable.

[fr4gb4ll]

24 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

Maybe I'm just SUPER lucky, but from my experience in multiple hours of gameplay, the whole thing is super reliable and just ask you to do the right thing, so I really feel like everyone who is complaining just haven't took the time to understand the sytem and just don't know how to do things the rigtht way

then lets be more concrete: lets say you didn't spend hours upon hours hunting everything outside, but did a dozent or more of the little fox-thingies and those flyier-things which you seemingly only can get via a lure (not the big skatebord/dragonfly things). now, you get back into the base to exchange them for tokens, because you saw an offer or two before you went out... sadly, now this offers are not there anymore because it only is there for a shortish time (don't nail me on how long, cuz i didn't care to measure it). so, no tokens for you until something similar pops up again... great, so now you have either to wait until this happens or get out hunt something else - IF you have lures (or luck to cross them). this way to waste a lot of time if the only thing you want to do is getting up in the rank and that just because this silly rng-mechanism in place. and if you now are someone who rather dislike the whole hunting process, you sure will be pissed about it. at the very least DE should let the player exchange every tag, all the time to get tokens - but a general token exchange would be better and more fair for everyone, IF done correctly.

35 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

About this point specifically, it's totally normal to lock MAX STANDING in a big expansion behind a bit of time to avoid players reaching it the first day. And for lower MR, its even less of a problem because the lower cap give them time to farm for more tokens in advance.

sorry, but that's bullS#&$ - i guarantee you that i will get to max standing in almost the same amount of time i did with the other two open areas. only differenz this time is that i will waste a lot of time running back and forth to get the random-exchanges done and also will hunt, fish and mine more stuff i need at this moment than i need for just up-ranking... true it's likely that i'll need this stuff later on (again, like the other two open areas also proven) but it's annoying right now regardless of it's usefullness later on - also, in both PoE and the valis i had far more stuff at hand that i needed, even till now, when i reached the maximum standing and all equipment/BPs/etc available at this time (with a few exceptions)... this clearly is aimed at keeping us in the game longer, no doubt about it, but it's also understandable that it ticks people off. if it's worth for DE in the end? idk, that's for them to analyze - me, i can live with the current system well enough like i did with the other two open areas too. in the end it might even turn out a better system than before, so DE shouldn'r really listen to every complain about it now until they get enough data out of the wild to get to a conclusion... but ofc, it might also cost them, like always when using the player-base as test subjects.