How capturing a "common" animal broke my will to continue playing

[Jukantos]

Before i say anything else, I have to give credit to the art team and the sound team. Deimos looks and sounds absolutely fantastic, and while i hated the deus ex machina ending of the Heart of Deimos Quest, the writing on the characters and the idea of them regaining their identities piece by piece afterwards was genuinely heartwarming.

I've been a Tenno since 2013, i've played this game for 5935 hours on steam... and a simple "common" conservation animal finally broke my will to keep playing.

At this point i've poured a dedicated 10 hours (and 400 plat for both resource boosters) into try to catch the rank 3 bird needed to finally unlock helminth... and it still hasnt happened. I've had my game freeze up and delete trail starting points in obvious scripting errors, i've had invisible trails, i've had COUNTLESS trails leading to a summoning point underneath "The Brain" only to cause endless pings with the Tranq rifle without actually spawning the "COMMON" Avicii or whatever it's called.

Honestly, if 10 hours of grinding the most dull and passive side activity isn't good enough to grant me progress, i don't want it anymore. I'm so burnt out on doing this one mandatory side activity thing i'm leaving Necralisk for good. I don't even care enough to play through it for the lore, so if it's not made mandatory to progress the mainline i'll just watch it on youtube. I'm so burnt out i was on the brink of quitting the game out of sheer frustration when the 20th one didn't spawn after "succeeding" the call for it (not to mention sifting through endless flying to track down wrong-species-trail-points)

Congratulations, your artificial economy chokepoints have broken my will to play this update. Screw conservation, screw scintillant and i'm sorry to say so, screw this update. Maybe it'll be worth my time in 6 months when the economy gets the "we don't want players to complete it in a week" fixes. Not even the Helminth system access that is only 2 days of tokens and one single additional bird capture away is good enough to motivate me to log on anymore, THATS how long i've made ZERO progress.

Intentionally broken RNG Fish and the most obviously designed resource bottleneck in the history of Warframe broke Heart of Deimos, at least for me personally.

I took three vacation days for this update. I feel like a fool.

[Xylena_Lazarow]

I feel that. I'll be dropping my forum crusade against mandatory conservation once I really feel engaged with a new game, and taking another long break from WF. It's actually a great game to come back to after a long break. There will be more stuff to do, and they eventually relent on awful design decisions like kuva liches RNG auto killing you.

[Redfeather75]

I hate those activities so much I just lurk the forums and play other games. It is mind bending that these types of activities are mandatory now when they have nothing to do with the core gameplay that people were attracted to.

[TankHunter678]

When the call point is in the brain and you do the call, grab your archwing and fly up to the top of the structure. It flies right over the call point and then it descends in a straight line at the call point until it reaches solid terrain and then sits there.

[Oreades]

The more I noodle it the more I feel like it would have been more palatable to have rewarded the players with the ship segment and placed the frame blueprint as the T3 goal. 

That would have given players a new system of resource sinks and timegates to mess around with while they resource sinked and timegated towards the frame blueprint. I just think it would have had better flow. 

[Xardis]

Here is a tip for catching those butterflies that might help you, when you call it, if its outside hunt, instantly enter archwing and look at the area above the nest, thats the place it mostly spawned for me.

[The_Mustachio]

I hate sounding trite, but it’s only been 3 days. There are going to be bugs. With your time with the game, you should expect this. I’m not defending the choices DE has made in the update, but give them some time to fix stuff. 
Besides, you’ll be back. They also come back 🙃

[mind_phaser]

They try to stop people from burning through the content... so hard that they failed to notice how ridiculous it all got.

[Vyra]

9 minutes ago, Redfeather75 said:

I hate those activities so much I just lurk the forums and play other games. It is mind bending that these types of activities are mandatory now when they have nothing to do with the core gameplay that people were attracted to.

Core gameplay:

Sprint, Ignis, Redeemer, Mission complete after 60 seconds...

Well yeah, Deimos is different. Atleast we have smth to do now.

[Chaincat]

I don't know what to tell you, but you've spent 10 hours doing it wrong. The bird spawns super high up. You HAVE to use archwing to get it in some of its spawns. It can also spawn inside of collision and that's just tragic unless you're playing a frame that can get out of the map (titania and hydroid can do it, probably others too) but it doesn't fail to spawn. Conservation isn't that buggy. Not anymore at least. The bird will fly directly over the call point really high up and stay there. It will not come down. Ever. All you can do is fly after it in archwing.

[Redfeather75]

1 minute ago, Vyra said:

Core gameplay:

Sprint, Ignis, Redeemer, Mission complete after 60 seconds...

Well yeah, Deimos is different. Atleast we have smth to do now.

Kuva fortress and Lua focus on aspects of core gameplay while being very different from one another. If you don't understand what I mean then you don't understand game design.

[Vyra]

Just now, Redfeather75 said:

Kuva fortress and Lua focus on aspects of core gameplay while being very different from one another. If you don't understand what I mean then you don't understand game design.

Mhh, at some point maps and enemies make no difference.

Sine Openworld Warframe has changed to the positive. We have a variety of stuff to do.

Nothing is needed, everything is completely optional.

Dont want to help the Entrati in their Afterlife crisis? Dont do so.

We have "boring" medal collecting in Red Veil and co...

Warframe isnt the limited game it once was. I wonder why people hate aspects that add depth to the game. Warframe isnt CS:GO...

Warframe has evolved from MMO to MMORPG and i am happy it did so.

[Jukantos]

vor 11 Minuten schrieb Vyra:

Warframe isnt the limited game it once was. I wonder why people hate aspects that add depth to the game.

Because depth can only be appreciated if it's optional. If you lock systems that have a massive impact on the core gameplay loop behind randomized arbitrary grinding of "side" activities, you are going to alienate the player base that mainly wants to hunt power-ups for the core gameplay loop. And hours and hours of conservation to catch 2 "common" birds is just a joke, no matter how you look at it.

[o0Despair0o]

It took me like an hour to get 5 common birds for rank 3 because half ot them didn't spawn or where in impossible to reach places...

 

And then the standing cap screwed me over.

[Jukantos]

Gerade eben schrieb o0Despair0o:

It took me like an hour to get 5 common birds for rank 3 because half ot them didn't spawn or where in impossible to reach places...

 

And then the standing cap screwed me over.

If i were still going the standing cap would stop me, an MR 29 player, a neat 3k short of rank 3 for tomorrow, and then on saturday i could finally get it - except i can't, because i'm never getting these stupid bird tags.

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

4 minutes ago, ebrl said:

Conservation birds have been bugged since Fortuna, go whiteknight somewhere else.

No they aren't, it's currently only kinda bugged on Deimos

[o0Despair0o]

Just now, Jukantos said:

If i were still going the standing cap would stop me, an MR 29 player, a neat 3k short of rank 3 for tomorrow, and then on saturday i could finally get it - except i can't, because i'm never getting these stupid bird tags.

If I recall correctly you need 44K standing for rank 3.

I'm on MR20 so my cap is 21K, and I believe I'm somewhere around 10-12K out of 44 right now.

I got all the tags I need and 2 Son tokens, all I need now are 8 more tokens and a bunch of standing. But even if I had the tokens I still need ANOTHER day because of these damn caps.

 

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

[Circle_of_Psi]

3 minutes ago, o0Despair0o said:

If I recall correctly you need 44K standing for rank 3.

I'm on MR20 so my cap is 21K, and I believe I'm somewhere around 10-12K out of 44 right now.

I got all the tags I need and 2 Son tokens, all I need now are 8 more tokens and a bunch of standing. But even if I had the tokens I still need ANOTHER day because of these damn caps.

 

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

I managed to -painfully- grind out the Tags (Birds are STILL broken, even from the PoE) and then farm the ton outta Son Tokens, I got all I need to Rank 3, but the darn daily cap is something that srly needs to be either removed or even more buffed up. (as in higher MR, MUCH MORE HIGHER CAP) not for the new kiddos.

Also I heard a rumor that Devs plan to reduce the cost of Son Tokens, better hope they refund everyone who spent them

[o0Despair0o]

3 minutes ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

Also I heard a rumor that Devs plan to reduce the cost of Son Tokens, better hope they refund everyone who spent them

I'd already be happy if they just give me free standing points instead.

[Circle_of_Psi]

Just now, o0Despair0o said:

I'd already be happy if they just give me free standing points instead.

That be nice too..

[EinTheDoge]

4 minutes ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

I managed to -painfully- grind out the Tags (Birds are STILL broken, even from the PoE) and then farm the ton outta Son Tokens, I got all I need to Rank 3, but the darn daily cap is something that srly needs to be either removed or even more buffed up. (as in higher MR, MUCH MORE HIGHER CAP) not for the new kiddos.

Also I heard a rumor that Devs plan to reduce the cost of Son Tokens, better hope they refund everyone who spent them

Honestly these points and lot of other issues (son tokens originally needed for first rank up, scintillant problems, that stupid Latrox Une mission I can never get the bonus on, etc) more or less goes to show how little, if at all, they actually playtest their game. They most likely rely purely on unit testing, which most likely showed the RNG was fine based on the inputs they were giving, but its clearly not how its playing out in practice.

I've seen several youtubers dare DE to start brand new accounts and play through their game from scratch- as in no admin dev benefits, no free plat, etc. I would love to see this and would love to see how it may change their perspective on how they treat player investment.

Yes this is still a game, and I'm fine with having more content in front of me than I can handle in a day. What I'm not really okay with is these artificial chokepoints that nullify a lot of work that experienced players have put in (i.e. min-maxing looting builds, high MR, etc). Sooner or later they will have to revamp a lot of the time-based systems, but I worry that they'll just make it worse again.

[Tonin4ABonin]

1 hour ago, Jukantos said:

 

Frankly i am probably going to end up hurting myself if i spend another 10 hours trying to catch this one common bird, so i'm quitting while i'm ahead.

 

I get the frustration, but that aside, this feeling is something that needs to be dealt with and no game causes this.

[Kconvey]

2 hours ago, Tonin4ABonin said:

I get the frustration, but that aside, this feeling is something that needs to be dealt with and no game causes this.

This is supposed to be a low stress activity that is causing more stress than darn near anything else in the game.

STOP with the damn birds!!!!!!!!!

[(PSN)Wil_Shatner_face]

2 hours ago, Kconvey said:

This is supposed to be a low stress activity that is causing more stress than darn near anything else in the game.

STOP with the damn birds!!!!!!!!!

The game shouldn’t be stressing you out that bad period, because it’s just a game. If it does make you that mad then you just need to put it down because that’s not healthy,

[Tonin4ABonin]

2 hours ago, Kconvey said:

This is supposed to be a low stress activity that is causing more stress than darn near anything else in the game.

STOP with the damn birds!!!!!!!!!

Nah. If a game is causing you this much stress you need to see someone about it. You control your stress, so theres something larger that needs to be addressed.