Proscriptor Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Father was underdeveloped in the first place It's ok that he trades his tokens for the general open world resources, but after Scintillant was removed from his token requirements, it's trivial to buy all of his tokens all the time, and the variety of resources he takes is small. That leads to most of Father tokens being near-identical and the very activity of trading for them feels pointless... even if it takes 2 minutes, those are 2 minutes of som pretty meaningless clicking. There are simple ways to flesh out the Father. Idea #1: He is interested in weapons, that seems to be his thing, and he's Orokin. Therefore, he might want to trade for specific Void relics. Idea #2: He is interested in infested resources so he might want to trade for any infested resources: In addition to Cambion Drift specific ones, which don't come from fish (to prevent overlap with Daughter) these include: Nano Spores, Neurodes, Mutagen Sample, Chitinous Husk, Infected Palpators, Pulsating Tubercles, Severed Bile Sac, Pustrels, Trachons, Bracoid. Idea #3: He is interested in weapons, so he might trade tokens for any of the player's built weapons, the same way as being able to sell them for credits. Idea #4: He is interested in weapons, so he might trade a sizable amount of his tokens for a tradeable weapon such as a syndicate weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoopStricken Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 He'll sell infested kitguns later on, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 Oh he will? Fine then, i missed that part completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)TehChubbyDugan Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 No. These tokens should not be a pain to get. All the other factions have standing that is acquired from normal play with the exception of Simaris whose standing is easy but extremely tedious and boring to acquire. The standing tokens for the new open world should not have insane requirements to get just because it's new content. You can go to either of the other open worlds and get thousands of standing very quickly. You can max out your standing cap even at max MR for other syndicates in almost no time. Meanwhile the standing here is drip fed to us extremely slowly. Do the math on how much work you put into each type of token and then look at the standing you get for it and it's incredibly easy to see that the amount of work required for the same amount of standing with the new syndicate is more than double what it is for nearly any other. The only benefits to the new system are that even opening a container will net you resources that can be traded for standing tokens and the tokens can be stockpiled for turning in later. IMO, this is not a good enough trade-off for how much work you do for the standing you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 who says the tokens should be a pain to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EinTheDoge Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, (XB1)TehChubbyDugan said: No. These tokens should not be a pain to get. All the other factions have standing that is acquired from normal play with the exception of Simaris whose standing is easy but extremely tedious and boring to acquire. The standing tokens for the new open world should not have insane requirements to get just because it's new content. You can go to either of the other open worlds and get thousands of standing very quickly. You can max out your standing cap even at max MR for other syndicates in almost no time. Meanwhile the standing here is drip fed to us extremely slowly. Do the math on how much work you put into each type of token and then look at the standing you get for it and it's incredibly easy to see that the amount of work required for the same amount of standing with the new syndicate is more than double what it is for nearly any other. The only benefits to the new system are that even opening a container will net you resources that can be traded for standing tokens and the tokens can be stockpiled for turning in later. IMO, this is not a good enough trade-off for how much work you do for the standing you get. Standing isn't really drip fed, it took me a while to figure out how it really works. Just use Mother tokens to gain standing. Don't waste the other Entrati tokens on standing, use them for ranking up and exchanging at Grandmother for her resources. Just through grinding out Xaku I have over 1k Mother tokens, and at MR26 it takes 280 tokens to max my standing for the day. Takes literally three seconds. Its not very satisfying, I'll give you that, but its a lot easier than people are claiming. Even before stockpiling Mother tokens, take a closer look at how many Mother tokens you get per bounty. The T5 bounty gives between 70-85 tokens depending on the rotation, and since Mother tokens give 100 standing a piece, thats 7k-8k standing per bounty. Thats more standing than any Fortuna or PoE bounties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaincat Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, EinTheDoge said: Standing isn't really drip fed, it took me a while to figure out how it really works. Just use Mother tokens to gain standing. Don't waste the other Entrati tokens on standing, use them for ranking up and exchanging at Grandmother for her resources. Just through grinding out Xaku I have over 1k Mother tokens, and at MR26 it takes 280 tokens to max my standing for the day. Takes literally three seconds. Its not very satisfying, I'll give you that, but its a lot easier than people are claiming. Even before stockpiling Mother tokens, take a closer look at how many Mother tokens you get per bounty. The T5 bounty gives between 70-85 tokens depending on the rotation, and since Mother tokens give 100 standing a piece, thats 7k-8k standing per bounty. Thats more standing than any Fortuna or PoE bounties. She also gives you more if you do the bonuses and she gives 100+ for the steel path bounty. She gives the damn things out like candy, it takes no effort at all to get max standing. The other family tokens are the main gatekeepers but even then the only ones that are a pain are daughter and son since they tend to ask for really rare things for most of their tokens. At least son's you only need 2 to trade for a grandma token. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsmount Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 All non-mother tokens are pointless. They're a horrible nonviable option if you want to gain standing from them. Their only uses are for crafting or spending on rank up rewards. Removing the blatantly ridiculous scint costs on some of his token choices doesn't change that. You should only ever be spending Mother tokens to rank up. The others are horribly overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaincat Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kingsmount said: All non-mother tokens are pointless. They're a horrible nonviable option if you want to gain standing from them. Their only uses are for crafting or spending on rank up rewards. Removing the blatantly ridiculous scint costs on some of his token choices doesn't change that. You should only ever be spending Mother tokens to rank up. The others are horribly overpriced. I wouldn't call them pointless since grandma tokens are needed to buy a crafting material you need for the new weapons and Xaku, and she asks for a metric boat load of tokens for that resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortCat Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 ALL TOKENS ARE POINTLESS We already could trade results from mining/fishing/hunting activities for standing and/or other rewards. HoD now introduces a pointless middlemen in form of tokens, which make a straight forward goods->standing trade into a complicated and bothersome charade. As a result there is an unnnecessary currency bloat as well as a drop in user experience. This whole system is a design failure. Who is commin up with this stuff?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riger82 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I got a lovely bugged token sale that I made the most of. 5 tokens for 10 of both types of worm meat. I had 140 of each due to running iso vaults, lol. Then I blew through 40 of them getting grandmother tokens, because we need 3 of the shards that cost 20 grandmother tokens each. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serafim_94 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 10 часов назад, LoopStricken сказал: He'll sell infested kitguns later on, so... Was it stated by DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ozymandias-13- Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Traubenzuckr said: Mutagen Sample If this dude starts taking mutagen samples I'm shoving a Wolf of Saturn Six beacon up whatever he has in that mass of infested flesh.. Literally the only resource I can't get any amount of stock built up for. I'm still trying to fund the dang Hema in my clan research after all these years, and now there's the 100 pizza research that needs it too. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 you can get more mutagen sample than ever by doing deimos bounties, it isn't that relevant anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwood Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 People probably shouldn't make judgement calls on what is or is not worthless before they actually explore the full system. The amount of tokens you need to get the grandmother tokens you need is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 @Hardwood this topic is about father lacking any distinct mechanic to obtain his tokens. it's just mindless clicking each couple of hours. it detracts from the overall experience of the game. it's worthless from an experiential standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoopStricken Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Serafim_94 said: Was it stated by DE? Did you read the patchnotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rantear Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Don't forget that there is a very important thing, that requires all of the tokens - Grandmother tokens, you need 20 of them to get the Seriglass shards which are needed to craft new guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UUDDLRLRBA_START Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Rantear said: Don't forget that there is a very important thing, that requires all of the tokens - Grandmother tokens, you need 20 of them to get the Seriglass shards which are needed to craft new guns. 20 seems kinda high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rantear Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 3 часа назад, UUDDLRLRBA_START сказал: 20 seems kinda high. Yeah, and you need 2 shards... That's gonna take a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proscriptor Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 2020-08-28 at 8:58 PM, Rantear said: Don't forget that there is a very important thing, that requires all of the tokens - Grandmother tokens, you need 20 of them to get the Seriglass shards which are needed to craft new guns. that's a formal explanation why father tokens are "good" and not "bad". technically they are needed for grandmother tokens. but that doesn't make them meaningful in themselves the way other tokens are: daughter - rewards you for fishing, son - rewards you for conservation ... these tokens aren't a reward for any distinct activity your answer doesn't pertain to why getting them is pointless in a sense i'm aiming at. they might as well be free. the tokens themselves are nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeWurrum Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 2020-08-28 at 7:05 AM, Traubenzuckr said: you can get more mutagen sample than ever by doing deimos bounties, it isn't that relevant anymore You can, but not in large amounts. It's still a resource that we'll never really be able to stock up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ozymandias-13- Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 2020-08-28 at 8:05 AM, Traubenzuckr said: you can get more mutagen sample than ever by doing deimos bounties, it isn't that relevant anymore I wouldn't know. My game has crashed every single time I've tried to enter Cambion Drift since the first patch so it's unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.