Exclusivity, Timed Exclusivity, And Events Exclusives...

[Froh]

Agreed. People need to grow up. You were here longer, and you worked hard to get certain perks and abilities. New people shouldn't be able to just come in and have these privileges because things need to be "fair"

 

Implying that we are children because we want the game to be "fair" to new players won't help you proving your point. And "game" isn't "life". But I will try to answer ignoring this anyway.

 

I already said that theses "privileges" could be earned the hard way as long as they are still earnable (by waiting an event to come back, giving money, or farming the hard way).

 

For each of thoses weapons, the challenge could be greater that what we've faced.

 

That doesn't mean you give a candy to the new player, but he can still have the goal to "get everything" as opposed to "Sorry, you're late, you can't finish 100 % of the game and will never be able to because life is like that".

Edited October 21, 2013 by Froh

[Mak_Gohae]

New players have no idea of exclusive items.

New players wont know about the items unless told.

New players are not going to freak out because something isnt available anymore.

 

Most of these exclusive complains comes from current people that missed the opportunity for X items for whatever reason. 

[Froh]

New players have no idea of exclusive items.

New players wont know about the items unless told.

New players are not going to freak out because something isnt available anymore.

 

Most of these exclusive complains comes from current people that missed the opportunity for X items for whatever reason. 

 

You have no idea how a new player can be.

New players can search about them, and will see what they miss.

New players will learn about them fast given the number of players that still play with Strun Wraith.

 

Current people that missed opportunity for X items were once new players. So yeah, they're complaining. For a reason. Does it means theses complains are wrong ? I don't think so. You obviously think the opposite.

Edited October 21, 2013 by Froh

[Mak_Gohae]

You have no idea how a new player can be.

New players can search about them, and will see what they miss.

New players will learn about them fast given the number of players that still play with Strun Wraith.

 

 

There is no person that comes into a game asking for what exclusives they missed.

And, yes, they can search but there is no person that will come into a game looking for the exclusives they missed.

 

Current people that missed opportunity for X items were once new players. So yeah, they're complaining. For a reason. Does it means theses complains are wrong ? I don't think so. You obviously think the opposite.

 

No, i meant people who didnt pay 50 beans to get Ex Prime, people who didnt play over the event weekend etc, etc.

[Froh]

There is no person that comes into a game asking for what exclusives they missed.

And, yes, they can search but there is no person that will come into a game looking for the exclusives they missed.

 

No, i meant people who didnt pay 50 beans to get Ex Prime, people who didnt play over the event weekend etc, etc.

 

Indeed there is. I did it. I do it in every game I take a part in. I'm not alone. We're not a majority. I agree.

 

Again, I don't ask for the Lato prime to be given freely, I ask for it to be available (for sale, at the same price, or an even greater price).

I don't ask for the snipetron vandal to be in the market, I ask for the event to come back (or another event).

Edited October 21, 2013 by Froh

[K0bra]

@Mak_Gohae

Thats bs.Today a new player ask me which gun i use.It was the Snipetron V.Then he ask me where i got this and where he can buy it.He was sad after i told him that the gun isnt avaiable anymore.That sucks for these people and im not a fan of exclusive stuff,espacially Strun Wraith thingy.

Its not ok and cool to add a weapon in the game for a short time avaiable that is FAR better then the rest of the shotguns.

 

So much greedy people here.

Edited October 21, 2013 by K0bra

[FateZero]

I have no problems with event exclusives coming back as rewards for another event, but Founders and CB rewards should stay exclusive. (Not like CB and Founder items are any good when compared to the weapons we have today)

I'm still waiting for the Primed Chamber, not Charged, but Primed >.>

 

People who complain about Excalibur Prime, there's something call Excalibur, pretty much the same with very trivial buffs. Oh 2.5 faster shield regen, you're not going to notice. Oh second V slot, forma. We supported the game with $50 or more dollars, when all you have to do is get a Forma worth ~$1 dollar and forma your Excalibur for the same polarities. (Not like the second V slot is all that important when the limited V mod we have currently)

 

Retired weapons you say? They have a good chance of coming back, just like the snipetron. Stop whining.

 

Mastery Rank you say? They are going to continue releasing weapons and frames, there is no reason to complain about mastery. It's all epeen after a certain rank anyways.

 

Why don't you also complain about how new players won't get all the extra platinum DE has given us for their screw ups?

Edited October 21, 2013 by FateZero

[Grilleds]

There is no person that comes into a game asking for what exclusives they missed.

And, yes, they can search but there is no person that will come into a game looking for the exclusives they missed.

Collectors do. In fact Airmech has a system where after you have spent a truly gratuitous amount of money in the game, you can upgrade your account so that you can buy past exclusives with the premium currency, and this is solely because most people who spend large amounts of money on these types of games are likely collectors.

[FateZero]

Collectors do. In fact Airmech has a system where after you have spent a truly gratuitous amount of money in the game, you can upgrade your account so that you can buy past exclusives with the premium currency, and this is solely because most people who spend large amounts of money on these types of games are likely collectors.

Pay to Win? Sound like it, pay enough and we'll give you access to pay more for exclusives, that other players won't have access to if they don't pay.

[Froh]

I have no problems with event exclusives coming back as rewards for another event, but Founders and CB rewards should stay exclusive. (Not like CB and Founder items are any good when compared to the weapons we have today)

I'm still waiting for the Primed Chamber, not Charged, but Primed >.>

 

 

Why ? Why shouldn't new players be able to show their support ? If there's another pack priced exactly the same ? Why should I have a better edge than them. They're showing the same support for less stuff (no planets with their name, etc).

 

And why the heck CLOSED beta players would have access to gameplay rewards that the "non selected" ones can't ? I mean, they were already SELECTED to play the game before. Of course you can reward them with avatars. But giving "meaningful" stuff like guns. What about thoses who actually subscribe but didn't have a key ?

 

As far as I'm concerned, I've been selected for a LOT of "closed beta" and even "alpha". All you usually have is cosmetic forums thingies, and "sometimes" cosmetic in game stuff. Not a lot. It also usually cover beta players rather than only closed beta. Also, I'm a huge supporter of indies studios, and I don't care about "in game stuff" if I can help testing the game (which is the important part of beta testing) and providing feedback (the other important part).

Edited October 21, 2013 by Froh

[Grilleds]

Pay to Win? Sound like it, pay enough and we'll give you access to pay more for exclusives, that other players won't have access to if they don't pay.

Not entirely. The premium currency in the game can actually be obtained ingame (it takes a while though), and almost every exclusive makes seasonal returns even if you haven't upgraded your account. Plus, that game also has a player run marketplace, so theoretically any item is obtainable if you are lucky. Also almost every exclusive is cosmetic only. Edited October 21, 2013 by Grilleds

[Quasar-Sandwich]

@OP: the Lato prime, Excalibur prime, and Skana prime are going away for a reason. Without those exclusive items that only those who contributed to the game get, there would have been no point in buying platinum from the founders program, what with all the coupons flying around. Its like a write of passage that no one can dispute once they see you equipped with one of those. Even at the start of the game months before most anyone on this entire forum, including me perhaps, the DE had made it a plan to cut off the supply for those items so that they could become exclusive and a kind of token of appreciation to the people who actually helped the game out. You can't deny that its within their right to cut it off from the rest of the players because in in of itself is like some one saying "This hear is for the greatest of Tenno, and for those of you that didn't buy founders, know that they contributed and you did not". Now I realize I'll get backlash for saying stuff like "right of passage", but before that I would hope that the people who want to say this would think to themselves "Exclusive means EXCLUSIVE". Well anyway if a single word was worth one cent then that's my $2.24.

[Froh]

Cf. Numerous answers about the prime items. I asked for a bundle of the same price, so new players also have to support the game.

Cf. Definition of exclusives, doesn't mean that conditions stats forever like that. It only says that it exclude people that do not meet thoses conditions. A lot of exclusives doesn't stay exclusives forever. (again, referring to League of Legends where they understand it doesn't contribute to the game to keep a state which is not that useful)

[Specimen2561]

They're exclusive for a reason, and I don't think this should be changed. Some older players still don't have the exclusive weapons etc. because they didn't participate in events. There is the possibility that they will be redone, but even if they are not, there will be new exclusive things, that some people will get and some people will not. I've been playing for a while, and I still missed half of the exclusive rewards because I was busy over the weekend or whatever.

 

Yes, limited time only things suck for people who didn't get them, but they will have to opportunity to participate in different things, get different things. You can look at the Founders pack items as rewards for putting in a lot of money to support the game, and exclusive items are rewards for participating. There will be other rewards. Don't panic. As a free-to-play game, there will be special events, etc. to draw people in and play the game. The exclusive items that have already come and gone were rewards for people who played the game earlier, and the exclusive items yet to come will be rewards for playing the game later on.

 

While there may be some frustration in newer players that they can't get certain items, there will be other items for them to get.

[FateZero]

Why ? Why shouldn't new players be able to show their support ? If there's another pack priced exactly the same ? Why should I have a better edge than them. They're showing the same support for less stuff (no planets with their name, etc).

 

And why the heck CLOSED beta players would have access to gameplay rewards that the "non selected" ones can't ? I mean, they were already SELECTED to play the game before. Of course you can reward them with avatars. But giving "meaningful" stuff like guns. What about thoses who actually subscribe but didn't have a key ?

 

As far as I'm concerned, I've been selected for a LOT of "closed beta" and even "alpha". All you usually have is cosmetic forums thingies, and "sometimes" cosmetic in game stuff. Not a lot. It also usually cover beta players rather than only closed beta. Also, I'm a huge supporter of indies studios, and I don't care about "in game stuff" if I can help testing the game (which is the important part of beta testing) and providing feedback (the other important part).

Cause we were the ones that had faith in a game that was just off the ground. I remember when we only had the Corpus ship as a tileset, when the Gorgon was the best gun, the massive S#&$storm within the first 24 hours when U7 came out with the complete overhaul that introduced mods and fusion cores. Fusing cost millions to use rare fusion cores before they figured out the right cost balance between common, uncommon, and rare cores.

 

Ask anyone that has the Lato and Braton vandal if they have a better edge than anyone else with the current weapons available. Most if not all will say no. I most certainly would after they nerfed the Braton Vandal a long time ago. (Still waiting for that buff DE!)

^That also applies to Founder weapons and frame.

 

I was never selected to be in CB, wasn't invited by a founder (If you were there back then, buying founders also gave CB keys for them to share), but I was smart enough to go to one of the many sites giving CB keys away during that time. You could say I worked for my CB rewards, by looking for sites giving keys away. So your whole emphasis on SELECTED is null and void.

 

Oh btw young one, the weekend that the Braton Vandal was available for 1 credit was a OPEN beta test, so anyone that knew about Warframe could make an account and play. No one was selected once again. Oh did I mention DE allowed every account made during that Open beta weekend to be part of CB and get the Lato Vandal? 

 

What the hell are you talking about subscribe? The facebook page?

[Alohoe]

i love exclusive rewards. im rank 12 with every weap except the closed beta ones.  im not upset about it.

 

i played wow for 8 years and i noticed as they added more of a welfare type system where everyone can get anything, the game lost its flavor.  i can remember seeing someone in raid gear i could never have and thinking it was soooo cool.

 

this is just one example.  i think exclusive rewards add flavor to the game.  they make events fun for those who were there.  they also drive current players to want to do said events for their exclusive weapons.  just my O.

[VegetableBasket]

It's ultimately very sad for players who miss out on some of the best stuff since they had a funeral that weekend, or whatever else. I mean I can see the strun wraith being an exclusive skin, but one of the best weapons... why?

That being said, 39k mastery is huge and it's weird how new players will be kind of "locked" under the top rank because of that. It bothers be enough I don't have the lato prime, but I'll be damned if I pay $150 for a digital handgun and my name on a 6pt font marquee.

[Karzak]

the only exclusives there should EVER be are skins!

anything that changes how you play the game (weapons warframes, mods) should never ever EVER EVER in a billion years be exclusive.

Thats just poor design

[BETAOPTICS]

One tiny mistake. Originally they said that this will be a long time project for them, so what this means is that I don't think this game will be set out of beta phase for a long, long time. Half a year at least.

[Azamagon]

If there are exclusive items, some people will be upset-- if exclusive items are made available to the public, some people will be upset.

 

People will be upset either way.

 

The difference is that one of those groups just wants it to be fair and for everybody to have their own shot at something, and the other group's response is "well life just isn't fair so there". And Group #2's response is ballsacks, and is the ballsacks way to see things, and deserves a backhand in the ballsacks. So there and might I also add nyeh.

Pretty much sums the whole debatte up!

 

"If you only appreciate an item for it's exclusivity, that others don't have it, then you don't deserve it"

Great quote!

 

Look, I'm a Grand Master Founder myself. I'm also a collector-holic, so I know how annoying it feels when you can't get every item in the game. That said, I wouldn't care at all if Excalibur/Lato/Skana Prime became available later in the game. I also have Strun Wraith and Snipetron + Snipetron Vandal. I wouldn't care if they became available later in the game either.

 

I just don't understand why people are so greedy about their "pweshus egsgluschivs". Why does it make you feel so "spechawl" owning them? You are still a mere pitiful human, just like those that DON'T have them. These exclusives does NOT in any way make you a better person than the next, you know?

 

Frankly, exclusivity is a BAD thing to promote. It just promotes greed and pride, both really bad qualities. On top of this, we are talking about DIGITAL exclusives, which makes it even more sad when people want to hold on to them being exclusive. Real life is one thing, exclusivism exists there and it sucks, so we just have to deal with it. But this is a GAME! Why promote greed and pride in a GAME when you have the power to avoid such bad things?! It's just unnecessary evil brought into the world!

 

Founders, also remember these things:

1) The money you paid were mainly to SUPPORT DE, no?

2) Even if Excalibur/Lato/Skana Prime becomes available later in the game, you had timed exclusivity of them.

3) You have your Founder's Badges. Those are exclusive, but COSMETIC, so they don't affect gameplay. That's fine and should stay that way.

[bobafetthotmail]

some comments from a purely neutral standpoint (I couldn't care less of what they do with exclusive items).

 

Frankly, exclusivity is a BAD thing to promote. It just promotes greed and pride, both really bad qualities.

wanting to have everything, also called "hoarding" is still greed and still pride. There is no best thing from a purely moral standpoint.

 

So, remove the moral mantle from that. You want it because you like it, not because it's more just or the most moral thing to do.

 

On top of this, we are talking about DIGITAL exclusives, which makes it even more sad when people want to hold on to them being exclusive.

it's about as sad as people raving about collecting them all and whining if they cannot.

 

 

Real life is one thing, exclusivism exists there and it sucks, so we just have to deal with it. But this is a GAME! Why promote greed and pride in a GAME when you have the power to avoid such bad things?! It's just unnecessary evil brought into the world!

 

Teaching kids to cope with the shortcomings of reality with a game, about rewards being unique and not repeatable just like most good occasions in life is a great thing, appeasing the greed of a few collectors... not that much.

 

Sorry, it appears DE has the moral high ground now.

[Guest]

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[Froh]

 

some comments from a purely neutral standpoint (I couldn't care less of what they do with exclusive items).

 

wanting to have everything, also called "hoarding" is still greed and still pride. There is no best thing from a purely moral standpoint.

 

So, remove the moral mantle from that. You want it because you like it, not because it's more just or the most moral thing to do.

 

it's about as sad as people raving about collecting them all and whining if they cannot.

 

 

 

Teaching kids to cope with the shortcomings of reality with a game, about rewards being unique and not repeatable just like most good occasions in life is a great thing, appeasing the greed of a few collectors... not that much.

 

Sorry, it appears DE has the moral high ground now.

 

Wanting to have everything is not really greed, but it can be pride. Pride of achieving the game.

Wanting to stop others from having something is well, I won't call it greed because I don't think it is. I think it's strange to have something and want the others to not access it. Especially in a coop game.

 

There's a problem in how you see people accessing a rewards that you have for long enough. You feel like we steal your reward, which is not the case, you have it. You keep it.

 

Remember that they'll have to work for it, one way or another. So it's not like this could become a login reward for example.

 

Also, again, implying we're kids because we disagree with you, does not prove your point. Life isn't a game. Game isn't life. Warframe is not an educational tool. This is not even a point. (also it teaches you nothing really, as explained in my first post, exclusivity is not even a real exclusivity, exclusivity was meant for physical stuff which have real reasons to not coming back)

Edited October 21, 2013 by Froh

[Shehriazad]

They added ammo mutation mods to the regular game...those used to be exclusive....seeing how the Strun Wraith is the only Shotgun worth using in high level play (Maybe Boar Prime with some work) an equal shall appear or they might just added.

 

Retired weapons might return or be replaced....people who used those sub par weapons in the past are rewarded by having some extra mastery.

 

 

The Prime Excalibur frame is the only thing I find so so on the list of limited things.... to me Prime items are the thing you have to earn yourself by dedicating your time with some farming...now Exca Prime being money only right now is kinda okay I guess...but he should be time exclusive imo.... Imo he needs to make it into the regular game in a few months.... 

[bobafetthotmail]

Wanting to have everything is not really greed, but it can be pride. Pride of achieving the game.

Your definition is wrong. From here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greed

 

"inordinate desire to possess wealth, goods, or objects of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one's self, far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort."

 

Before you object on "intention to keep it for one's self": that means that you don't want to give away the stuff you get, not necessarily that you don't want others to get the same too.

 

I don't care if it's right or wrong per-se, I only care about definitions. I hate when people twist words to prove a point.

 

You want all? Fine with that, it's a viable opinion. Just don't think you have any moral grounds to demand that. You can ask it as a favor, making puppy eyes.

But don't try to enshroud yourself in moral high ground.

 

Wanting to stop others from having something is well, I won't call it greed because I don't think it is. I think it's strange to have something and want the others to not access it. Especially in a coop game.

It still falls well within the definition of greed and pride as above.

 

There's a problem in how you see people accessing a rewards that you have for long enough. You feel like we steal your reward, which is not the case, you have it. You keep it.

I already stated in the first sentence of that post that I couldn't care less of what they do with exclusive items.

 

The only thing I care for is their word. They said that stuff is exclusive and won't happen again, then for the holy RNG they will have to keep their word or lose credibility.

 

If they say future stuff can come again, I won't care.

 

 

Also, again, implying we're kids because we disagree with you, does not prove your point. Life isn't a game. Game isn't life. Warframe is not an educational tool. This is not even a point. (also it teaches you nothing really, as explained in my first post, exclusivity is not even a real exclusivity, exclusivity was meant for physical stuff which have real reasons to not coming back)

 

Sorry, should have been more clear. I was reversing against him the moral high ground argument the guy I was answering to was making. Just to prove that your point is fair but not morally superior.

 

We aren't all adults here, a lot (a whole lot) of the userbase are kids, and teaching them to cope with real life limitations by imposing semi-realistic restrictions on things like this is much more "good" than just appeasing the greed of people. While it's a point that I personally agree with, I was bringing it only to reverse his argument, nothing more.

 

The fact that the objects are not physical is totally moot. Even "exclusive" physical stuff is kept exclusive because someone decided so. It's not like they can't offload everything to China and have them produce an inordinate amount of plastic thingies or t-shirts for cheap.

It's that doing so would have the item lose it's "exclusiveness" and thus its appeal, and thus will be forced to keep the price low to actually sell them.

 

I mean... why Apple is exclusive? Because they said so (Still Foxconn making the actual work like for most other brands, still the same non-Apple companies making the same components used in both Apple and non-Apple computers). Nothing wrong, but let's keep facts straight.

Edited October 21, 2013 by bobafetthotmail