Titania + Empower = woohaw

[mouseodoom]

I got my Helminth today and immediately replaced Lantern with Empower. 

My Titania has Umbral Vitality and Intensify and rocks Energy Conversion, Growing Power, Pax Bolt on my primary or secondary, depending on how I feel. When I'm properly buffed, I can get 325 ability strength in Razorwing form solo. 

I *love* it! 

Of course I use Razorwing Blitz so with four stacks, I have 325% speed and fire rate increase. 

It is a little fiddly, headshots are hard to get in Deimos with kitguns, but Pax Bolt's contribution to strength is only 30%. And Empower will eat Energy Conversion unless I'm paying attention and there's orbs around. 

I would love to know what other combinations people have found for their Titania's or are planning to use with the new Helminth system. I am currently letting a Rhino subsume so I can eat his Piercing Roar to see if the damage buff is better than 50 ability strength from Empower. 

[Chewarette]

Apparently you can do this

 

[Tipsy_Pixie]

1 час назад, mouseodoom сказал:

I got my Helminth today and immediately replaced Lantern with Empower. 

My Titania has Umbral Vitality and Intensify and rocks Energy Conversion, Growing Power, Pax Bolt on my primary or secondary, depending on how I feel. When I'm properly buffed, I can get 325 ability strength in Razorwing form solo. 

I *love* it! 

Of course I use Razorwing Blitz so with four stacks, I have 325% speed and fire rate increase. 

It is a little fiddly, headshots are hard to get in Deimos with kitguns, but Pax Bolt's contribution to strength is only 30%. And Empower will eat Energy Conversion unless I'm paying attention and there's orbs around. 

I would love to know what other combinations people have found for their Titania's or are planning to use with the new Helminth system. I am currently letting a Rhino subsume so I can eat his Piercing Roar to see if the damage buff is better than 50 ability strength from Empower. 

I tested it in simulacrum and I don't see the damage number increase like with Growing Power or add/remove power strength mod.

[Swagernator22663]

Oh man, you know its coming ...

 

The nerf hammer shal fall hard.

[Vahenir]

Id say a nerf is unlikely since titania has been able to do this kind of stuff since forever, but going that fast just isnt usable.

As for the rate of fire, add in arcane pistoleer for infinite ammo madness.

[Tipsy_Pixie]

I did a few tests. On 175lvl corrupted heavy gunner the lowest damage in razorwing with unmodded titania is 96. it does not change with Empower+Razorwing.

But when I add two umbral mods(+55 power), the lowest damage is 149. Empower works with rhino's Iron skin, so maybe it doesn't works with toggled abilities.

[Rey153]

wait are you.... having FUN ????

 

HOTFIX INBOUND IN 5 MINUTES 

[(PSN)ForNoPurpose]

18 hours ago, Rodrigo_Martinez said:

I did a few tests. On 175lvl corrupted heavy gunner the lowest damage in razorwing with unmodded titania is 96. it does not change with Empower+Razorwing.

But when I add two umbral mods(+55 power), the lowest damage is 149. Empower works with rhino's Iron skin, so maybe it doesn't works with toggled abilities.

No i can confirm it works with some, as my newest Ember build relies on empower to make up for having only 40% power str. Without empower the damage resistance is horrible on overheat. With you can still easily get 50-90 with growing power.

[Tipsy_Pixie]

2 часа назад, (PS4)ForNoPurpose сказал:

No i can confirm it works with some, as my newest Ember build relies on empower to make up for having only 40% power str. Without empower the damage resistance is horrible on overheat. With you can still easily get 50-90 with growing power.

It does works with the Exalted blade tho. Maybe the power increase applies to razorfly, but not to dex pixia. While the Growing power mod works well. Should post in the bug section.

[Aadi880]

You know, have you tried replacing tribute with marked for death?

Basically, Mark-For-Death someone, lantern that dude. Damage the dude to store buffer damage. Wait for the entire enemy faction to be attracted to the lantern, and then nuke room?

I don't know if it works with buffer damage, so I'm asking.

[Scar.brother.help.me]

On 2020-08-28 at 10:52 AM, mouseodoom said:

Umbral Vitality and Intensify and rocks Energy Conversion, Growing Power, Pax Bolt on my primary or secondary, depending on how I feel. When I'm properly buffed, I can get 325 ability strength

one more hint for min-maxer from min-maxer:
Nidus Specter

He links to you giving +28% power str, and the sweet part is that Nidus link mechanic works multiplicatively - it multiplies all of your modded power str by x1.28, for example if you have:

10 str (Overextended + Power Donation), you'll have 10x1.28=12.8 str

100 str (unmodded), 100x1.28=128 str

333 str (Umbral Intensify&Vitality + Transient Fortitude + Blind Rage + Augur Secrets), 333x1.28=426.24 str

I didn't test it with Infested Empower yet if it gets multiplied with the rest or works in the end of equasion as flat +50, but be my guest and try it for yourself 😄

 

[selig_fay]

On 8/28/2020 at 11:11 AM, Chewarette said:

Apparently you can do this

Lol. You don't need Helminth to do this. Razorwing blitz just needs a nerf in speed.

[selig_fay]

On 2020-08-28 at 10:52 AM, mouseodoom said:

I would love to know what other combinations people have found for their Titania's or are planning to use with the new Helminth system. I am currently letting a Rhino subsume so I can eat his Piercing Roar to see if the damage buff is better than 50 ability strength from Empower.

Definitely a dispenser, because more energy = a more flexible build.

ENERGY MUNITIONS - if it is 100%, we will not need to put pistoleer.

Hack - because hack, why not.

Smite + augment = corrosion + radiation (full damage Dex Pixia build) + Arcane accuracy that will boost the buff. Ignoring the armor is good.

Breach Surge - Something similar to AOE when you use Razorwing. This can be a good alternative to the minigun build.

Thermal Sunder = AOE with useful buns.

Molt - Combine with Lantern for more effective attraction. You know molt attracts enemies and blocks their attention on itself, Lantern does not allow them to shoot.

Well Of Life + augment + Equilibrium - great healing + fast energy, why not.

Tesla Nervos + augment  - Another AOE.

Xata's Whisper - the status will create a bubble that solve spread of bullets problem for Dex Pixia. Yes, Dex Pixia has poor accuracy.. + damage boost. 

At the moment, I don't see any more useful things.

[lukinu_u]

Does Empower stack additively or mutliplicatively with your current power strength ?
For example, you have 120% right now, would it become 120+50=170%, or 120*(1+0.5)=180 ?

Also, the question is probably no, but does the power can buff itself to increase the buff ?

[Scar.brother.help.me]

5 hours ago, lukinu_u said:

Does Empower stack additively or mutliplicatively with your current power strength ?
For example, you have 120% right now, would it become 120+50=170%, or 120*(1+0.5)=180 ?

Also, the question is probably no, but does the power can buff itself to increase the buff ?

flat +50

120+50=170%

[mouseodoom]

On 2020-08-29 at 7:28 AM, Scar.brother.help.me said:

one more hint for min-maxer from min-maxer:
Nidus Specter

He links to you giving +28% power str, and the sweet part is that Nidus link mechanic works multiplicatively - it multiplies all of your modded power str by x1.28, for example if you have:

10 str (Overextended + Power Donation), you'll have 10x1.28=12.8 str

100 str (unmodded), 100x1.28=128 str

333 str (Umbral Intensify&Vitality + Transient Fortitude + Blind Rage + Augur Secrets), 333x1.28=426.24 str

I didn't test it with Infested Empower yet if it gets multiplied with the rest or works in the end of equasion as flat +50, but be my guest and try it for yourself 😄

 

Yass, gonna try this soon. So tasty looking

[ngamer000]

On 2020-08-28 at 10:58 AM, Rodrigo_Martinez said:

I did a few tests. On 175lvl corrupted heavy gunner the lowest damage in razorwing with unmodded titania is 96. it does not change with Empower+Razorwing.

But when I add two umbral mods(+55 power), the lowest damage is 149. Empower works with rhino's Iron skin, so maybe it doesn't works with toggled abilities.

I've been testing empower with artemis bow (ivara's 4) and Razorwing (titania's 4).

Certain elemental damage such as heat, viral and radiation sometimes might be getting buffed but rather inconsistently.

However Slash values are never buffed by empower.

Is this a bug or intended?

[selig_fay]

25 minutes ago, ngamer000 said:

I've been testing empower with artemis bow (ivara's 4) and Razorwing (titania's 4).

Certain elemental damage such as heat, viral and radiation sometimes might be getting buffed but rather inconsistently.

However Slash values are never buffed by empower.

Is this a bug or intended?

I don't know why, but Dex Pixia doesn't get increased damage from energy conversion and empower. Keep that in mind. 

[Tipsy_Pixie]

2 часа назад, selig_fay сказал:

I don't know why, but Dex Pixia doesn't get increased damage from energy conversion and empower. Keep that in mind. 

I know about the Energy Conversion bug with Titania's exalted weapons, it's an old bug. It's a shame that the same happens with the new Helminth ability which Titania would greatly benefit from.

[selig_fay]

6 hours ago, Rodrigo_Martinez said:

I know about the Energy Conversion bug with Titania's exalted weapons, it's an old bug. It's a shame that the same happens with the new Helminth ability which Titania would greatly benefit from.

I don’t think so. It's just +50 strength. Better to use damage boost for damage or dispenser for more strength (I have 45% energy efficiency now and feel good) or energy ammo or Xaku 1 for convenience and low accuracy fixes. Even Hildryn 2 makes good sense. I also think to try Wisp 3 in the hopes that it will be effective against regular groups of enemies. Well molt works well with Lantern to create a powerful CC combination. 

These +50 strengths are really worthless compared to other things.

[Tipsy_Pixie]

1 час назад, selig_fay сказал:

I don’t think so. It's just +50 strength. Better to use damage boost for damage or dispenser for more strength (I have 45% energy efficiency now and feel good) or energy ammo or Xaku 1 for convenience and low accuracy fixes. Even Hildryn 2 makes good sense. I also think to try Wisp 3 in the hopes that it will be effective against regular groups of enemies. Well molt works well with Lantern to create a powerful CC combination. 

These +50 strengths are really worthless compared to other things.

I still can't decide which Helminth ability is the best to use on Titania, because most of my builds are based on strength and have about basic duration/range. With +50% str I can drop the Umbral Intensify for something else.

[selig_fay]

1 hour ago, Rodrigo_Martinez said:

I still can't decide which Helminth ability is the best to use on Titania, because most of my builds are based on strength and have about basic duration/range. With +50% str I can drop the Umbral Intensify for something else.

Titania only needs strength to maximize DPS. If you can maximize your dps in another way, you can drop strength. I advise you to find the problem and solve it. For example, if you use a blitz, energy ammo will have a much greater effect than 50 Strength. I mean, now you have 60 rounds, energy ammo will give about 240 rounds. This frees up an arcane slot where arcane accuracy can be placed, which will double the damage of Dex pixia (and other pistols). You shoot longer and do more damage + energy ammo activates the blitz and has a good sound effect, so you actually support the blitz automatically, which is very convenient.

Try to look not at abstract numbers, but at real problems and situations.

[Angwah]

Pillage! Range is a dump stat for most razorwing builds but you have duration which is what sets the range on this ability. Shield restoring at will and armor/shield-stripping are both hugely helpful and no need to adjust your build. It just slots in perfectly.

MfD and Lantern I will also be checking out, but it will require a different set-up. Seems like a fun build though, and will definitely play different from standard razorwing and might be very good for certain mission types where she is currently lacking which is a plus.

Xata's Whispers is also an interesting choice I am interested in trying out, though I'm somewhat more skeptical about it. Void proc bubble directs the bullets to the enemies center so Arcane Precision and Pistoleer will not be as effective. I will be waiting to see if void damage gets changed in the upcoming Xaku rework before playing around with this.

 

[selig_fay]

37 minutes ago, Angwah said:

Xata's Whispers is also an interesting choice I am interested in trying out, though I'm somewhat more skeptical about it. Void proc bubble directs the bullets to the enemies center so Arcane Precision and Pistoleer will not be as effective. I will be waiting to see if void damage gets changed in the upcoming Xaku rework before playing around with this.

Bubble will not be on enemies forever. But here the calculation is more that you will not miss. Just shoot at the wall and watch the bullets spread. This is one of the reasons why people make rate of fire. Dex Pixia mimics archguns, and archguns are wide-spread weapons (in my opinion, only the magnetic rifle is an exception). But I will not say that this is the best option. Simple convenience.

[Angwah]

3 minutes ago, selig_fay said:

Bubble will not be on enemies forever. But here the calculation is more that you will not miss. Just shoot at the wall and watch the bullets spread. This is one of the reasons why people make rate of fire. Dex Pixia mimics archguns, and archguns are wide-spread weapons (in my opinion, only the magnetic rifle is an exception). But I will not say that this is the best option. Simple convenience.

Yes, definitely! As I said, I'm definitely intrigued. Have you tried it out?

I'm curious how it will interact with punch-through for example. Will bullets stay in the bubble and generate multiple hits? Travel to the next target?